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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Anjuu
Profile Joined August 2010
United States57 Posts
March 15 2011 19:34 GMT
#3561
In the OP it says 4GB is really the most RAM necessary unless you're doing a lot of Photoshop or memory-heavy applications. I'm not. But I was looking at RAM and had a few ideas I’d like double checked. First I was thinking 1x4GB would be better than 2x2GB, it just means that if I ever need to upgrade I could upgrade up to a total of 16GB while still being able to use my original RAM with the former and only 8GB with the later (unless there’s some advantage to having the memory spread out in two sticks). Following that logic I thought, well if my mobo can handle 32 total, maybe I should just spend a bit more and get 1x8GB stick now so that if ever I needed I could get the full 32GB out of it without completely replacing the original stick of RAM. But then again 32GB of RAM? Would that even be remotely necessary 2-3 years from now?
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Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
March 15 2011 19:49 GMT
#3562
No, it won't be remotely necessary. If you don't need more than 4GB now, you're not likely to need any more in a few years doing the same things. 8GB is already plenty when looking several years ahead.

As a side issue, you get slightly better performance (almost double the memory throughput, but that's not important) if you have two or four sticks of RAM in your standard dual channel RAM system. Since the extra capacity won't be needed, your single stick configs would thus be slightly worse.
miL.
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada93 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-15 21:04:31
March 15 2011 20:58 GMT
#3563
Thanks for your guys' help skyR and Myrmidon.

I've taken a closer look at the link that Myrmidon provided and I'm gunna drop down to a 'lower kit' of ram. I'm also going to go with the Antec 300 too. I'll probably go with that Mushkin set that skyR recommended.

I'm probably gunna go ahead and put the order through within the next few days, but if there are any other issues that anyone sees please let me know.

Also... I used to know a pricematch website but I can't seem to remember it or find it. Is there any working pricematching websites for Canada?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
March 15 2011 21:07 GMT
#3564
www.shopbot.ca
www.pricecanada.com
www.pricebat.ca
www.bbf.ca

Just to name a few. I use shopbot personally.
Talz
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada30 Posts
March 15 2011 21:09 GMT
#3565
So, how does overclocking on things like RAM and graphics cards work relative to your CPU? Is there a benefit to this?
Long live the Overmind!
miL.
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada93 Posts
March 15 2011 21:19 GMT
#3566
Thanks again skyR, shopbot would be the site that I was looking for.

Also, should I be going for the MSI, eVGA, or Gigabyte version of the 560. I have no preference with a specific company, just looking for some confirmation(?) of which would be more ideal.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-15 21:44:20
March 15 2011 21:34 GMT
#3567
On March 16 2011 06:09 Talz wrote:
So, how does overclocking on things like RAM and graphics cards work relative to your CPU? Is there a benefit to this?


It'll work slightly faster? Not sure what kind of answer you're expecting exactly since the core i5 2300 2400 2500 are the same chip with different frequencies. The same goes with all the different kits of ram.

On March 16 2011 06:19 miL. wrote:
Thanks again skyR, shopbot would be the site that I was looking for.

Also, should I be going for the MSI, eVGA, or Gigabyte version of the 560. I have no preference with a specific company, just looking for some confirmation(?) of which would be more ideal.


This depends on what you're looking for.

EVGA -AR model cards carry a lifetime warranty. If it breaks down in 5 years, you just RMA it to them and they'll send you a brand new card that performs roughly the same to your old card (so you may get something like a GTS 940 or something =p)

The MSI Twin Frozr cards carry a three year warranty but comes equipped with the best air cooler on the market atm so there is a lot of overclocking potential to be had with this card. They also have an RMA center located in Canada so you don't have to ship your card back to the states if it breaks down.

Gigabyte.. nothing really special about them.

You can pricematch both the EVGA and MSI cards down to $250.

EVGA: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130604
MSI: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127565
Suncrusher
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada55 Posts
March 15 2011 23:03 GMT
#3568
So I just bought that, do you think I made the good choice?If not they what would you do?I still got a money back warranty.

i5 760 quad core

4 gigs of ram

hd 6950 1GB

With all the other part (Case PSU HD etc...) it was 1102$.Is it good for the price?
Quote?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
March 15 2011 23:08 GMT
#3569
@Suncrusher

Buying anything other than Intel's 2nd Generation Core series atm with a $1000 is a poor decision.

You need to list the other specs as well before we know whether you got the best for your money or not.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
March 15 2011 23:11 GMT
#3570
That sounds expensive unless that includes a monitor or maybe an OS and SSD.

More importantly, why get an i5-760? I'm assuming you didn't get a completely amazing deal on it, or the total cost would be lower. The i5-2xxx (compatible with socket 1155 motherboards) are the next generation. They're better in all aspects and cost roughly the same.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/191?vs=288

An i5-2500k has the same CPU performance as the i5-2500 when not overclocked, and the i5-2400 and i5-2300 are the same chip as the i5-2500, just set at different frequencies.
Suncrusher
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada55 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-15 23:31:28
March 15 2011 23:26 GMT
#3571
So call back and ask for an i5 2500K would be the clever thing to do?And yes I had to buy the OS.

Oh and sorry if I sound stupid, I'm really new to computer stuff.
Quote?
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
March 15 2011 23:31 GMT
#3572
i5-2500k is for overclocking. You need a LGA 1155 motherboard with P67 chipset to overclock, and you'd probably want an aftermarket CPU cooler to facilitate that as well.

If you have no intention of CPU overclocking, you can get one of the other ones like the i5-2400. You'd still need a LGA 1155 motherboard instead of the LGA 1156 motherboard you originally got. The new CPUs are not compatible with the old motherboards.
Talz
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada30 Posts
March 15 2011 23:36 GMT
#3573
On March 16 2011 06:34 skyR wrote:
It'll work slightly faster? Not sure what kind of answer you're expecting exactly since the core i5 2300 2400 2500 are the same chip with different frequencies. The same goes with all the different kits of ram.


Well, I was thinking this here might be a decent deal: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=55545&vpn=998770&manufacture=Mushkin Enhanced

More RAM then I'd probably ever need, but it's only DDR3-1333. I was wondering if RAM could be overclocked as easily as a CPU can, where you can take a cheaper set and make it just as good as a more expensive set.

Long live the Overmind!
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
March 15 2011 23:42 GMT
#3574
@Talz

Intel's 2nd Generation Core processors use dual channel so you should be looking for a dual channel kit such as 2x2gb, 2x4gb. Yes, RAM can be easily overclocked to achieve tighter timings or higher frequencies.
Anjuu
Profile Joined August 2010
United States57 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-16 01:24:24
March 15 2011 23:44 GMT
#3575
Taking a look at these two boards, I see two main differences:

1) The Asus board says without OCing it's memory standard is higher 1600

2) The MSI board has an extra PCI Express 2.0 x16--I think this makes it SLI compatible so I could run two GPUs.

As is I don't plan on having two GPUs but the capability would be nice. I think the higher memory standard would be nice but I'm curious to see if the folks here think there's a real advantage to that.

Edit: Adding in link
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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
March 15 2011 23:47 GMT
#3576
@Anjuu

What boards are we looking at?

A motherboard having 2 PCI-E x16 slots does not make it SLI compatible. It must be SLI Certified for SLI to work.

There is no real gain in using higher speed ram, see here: http://techreport.com/articles.x/20377
Talz
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada30 Posts
March 16 2011 00:28 GMT
#3577
On March 16 2011 08:42 skyR wrote:
@Talz

Intel's 2nd Generation Core processors use dual channel so you should be looking for a dual channel kit such as 2x2gb, 2x4gb. Yes, RAM can be easily overclocked to achieve tighter timings or higher frequencies.


So either getting another one, or taking one away would be best?
Long live the Overmind!
Punkdp1p3r
Profile Joined January 2011
United States30 Posts
March 16 2011 01:16 GMT
#3578
Question
(not overclocked)
Intel core i7 U 640 @ 1.2 Ghz
Nvidia GeForce GT 335M
8GB RAM
Intel HD graphics
11" laptop
500 HDD
LED monitor
LED lit keyboard
~$2500 minus cost of OS (windows 7 ultimate, MS Office 2010, wireless router, mouse, headphones, and anit-virus) so about 2000. 3 hour battery life at high performance, idk if that is considered.
Good buy?
"Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori."
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
March 16 2011 01:20 GMT
#3579
@Talz

Better to just get a dual channel kit instead of dealing with compatibility issues / wasting a stick.

@Punkdp1p3r

Severely overpriced. That laptop only should probably cost around $1000.
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
March 16 2011 01:21 GMT
#3580
On March 16 2011 10:16 Punkdp1p3r wrote:
Question
(not overclocked)
Intel core i7 U 640 @ 1.2 Ghz
Nvidia GeForce GT 335M
8GB RAM
Intel HD graphics
11" laptop
500 HDD
LED monitor
LED lit keyboard
~$2500 minus cost of OS (windows 7 ultimate, MS Office 2010, wireless router, mouse, headphones, and anit-virus) so about 2000. 3 hour battery life at high performance, idk if that is considered.
Good buy?

Hell no. You can get a sandybridge, 485m (top of the line) 17" 1080p MATTE (glossy if you really want) 8GB RAM for under $2000, and closer to $1500.
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