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Ohhh that explains a lot because I was wondering how the fuck that ricegrain business is supposed to work when it covers only such a small area.
There are thousands of guides for applying thermal paste, and most of them are TERRIBLE, trust the extreme overclockers and delidders who fight for 2-4c, not the ones who spread 5x too much paste running stock settings and say "it'll be fine" in this regard.
Guess why I'm asking you guys. <3
@skyr: The Win7 version I ordered says "OEM Pro Multilanguage" ... should I just pick any of those and pray they'll work with my activation key? Any difference between the two downloads for each language?
Are you sure you bought Windows 7 lol? Because I'm pretty sure Professional doesn't support multiple languages. The store you bought from sure seems shady... first the RAM, now this?
On August 10 2013 17:58 skyR wrote: Are you sure you bought Windows 7 lol? Because I'm pretty sure Professional doesn't support multiple languages. The store you bought from sure seems shady... first the RAM, now this?
It's a different store lol. The RAM arrived and turned out to be fine, that was pretty much just them having one info in the name/model number and a different info in the technical details.
I googled long and hard on that store and I couldn't find anything negative about it, from what I understand it's allowed in Germany to sell versions for refurbished PCs, in this case "OEM version by Dell". The only drawback is that I won't have access to the Microsoft hotline.
The amount of paste you want looks much closer to this, than the blobs you have probably seen. You want it top to bottom line though, not left to right
On August 10 2013 13:11 mucker wrote: Ah thanks Myrmidon but I'd already ordered stuff based on skyR's post in hopes of getting it monday. Seems like a lot has changed since I was last in to building computers and overclocking is much simpler these days, with products actually marketed with the intent of people overclocking them and whatnot. I can finally overcome my fear inspired by the 486 I burnt out as a teenager.
This thread is such a great resource, thanks to all of you that keep it going!
Good luck! And hang around if you want haswell OC help, me, Alryk, Gumbi and Mav451 have haswell, though gumbi and mav got more recently
There's not a lot of good info out there for the CPU's, or why they behave why they do, and lots of people saying stuff based on misunderstanding, so it can be very confusing, it was a big mess a few months ago but nowadays you should be able to dial in 4.4-4.7ghz depending on your luck with the silicon lottery with such a build np.
Primed 4.4 overnight, so I'm trying 4.5 right now. Did a few quick tests already (CB11.5, Valley, P95 1792K) and it seems like a good starting point. I'm not touching Uncore/RAM until a later date - procrastination ftw.
Two cracked dies in a day and a half on delidded CPU's (with IHS on) ouch. This is starting to get interesting.
Both people had the IHS on (neither direct die) one with CLU, one with CLP and the die cracked, one while in operation, one while powered off, both with water blocks on top of the IHS. Both "successful" vice method delids prior to.. die snapping in half
And on other topic: Now that i got some stupid stability issues out of the way (bios settings not sticking, big issues with nvidia drivers and pci-e 3.0, etc) i can do this:
Any sources you recommend for starting out with OCing besides Sins guide? How much does OCing affect the lifespan of a CPU? Or can you do almost whatever as long as you keep the temperature low enough?
e: Oh, and is there any fun benchmark for the overall performance of a system that I can run? Kind of want to see how it runs on my old and new PC. =P
It's 78c max in cold room (like 17c) and a bios voltage of 1.29vcore, but yea. If you said that for ivy bridge for high end air, people would be fine, but for haswell apparently everyone loses their minds :D
OC Haswell is difficult, not many people have any clue what they are doing and everyone is doing different things. There's also some weird stuff that you just have to know, such as nvidia drivers just flat out becoming unfixably unstable sometimes when not at stock CPU settings unless you use pcie-2.0 instead of 3.0 because of an issue with them that is in the process of getting fixed. I can talk you through some stuff, and the logic behind it
It won't affect lifespan much, especially if you can't use high voltage. Because Haswell is so heat limited it's hard to degrade it unless you use high end cooling and also delid, and then push overclock hard AND CPU intensive stuff, like folding, to pin the CPU at 100% for extended periods of time. Seems like Haswell is more tolerant of voltage than sandy bridge but less than ivy, but it's a lot harder to get volts up due to heat.
For fun benchmarks, I use Cinebench 11.5 for CPU (with above normal or realtime priority - and in the top left menu's, you can click some things to show single core test too which is useful) and Unigine Heaven 4.0 for GPU (there's a bug with unigine valley that messes up gpu drivers til you crash the driver or restart system, cutting gpu performance in half, so i use Heaven instead, not that valley is better or anything)
TempusDESU, do you have any old parts to scavenge like drives? I kind of ask because 900 AUD isn't enough to get all the nice stuff: Haswell i5, midrange performance graphics card, SSD, hard drive, etc. You'd need to cut something. If all you care about is performance in games, you could cut the SSD and be done.
On August 11 2013 14:17 r.Evo wrote: e: Oh, and is there any fun benchmark for the overall performance of a system that I can run? Kind of want to see how it runs on my old and new PC. =P
If you want to run something to get some kind of somewhat-meaningless numbers that need to be taken in correct context, I'd download 3DMark. You get to watch it render some stuff on the screen.
Mostly LoL, but also new releases and such. Basically, I want the best gaming rig for 900 dollars.
Best is subjective, for Metro 2033 for example you'd get a stronger graphics card and very weak cheap CPU because it doesn't really matter, while for Starcraft 2, you'd get the best CPU with very little caring towards GPU, even for extreme settings. For a strong all around system for many games, you'd probably want a 2'nd/3'rd/4'th gen i5 and a midrange graphics card (same as myrm said), but Australian prices are terrible
Cyro, you should make a quick guide for overclocking a Haswell, or at the very least some tips and things to keep in mind. I'm getting my i7-4770K on Monday. Once I make sure everything works I intend to overclock it, and it's a bit complicated for someone who's only done Sandy/Ivy Bridge before. Just a basic checklist or something would be good.
Gaming, watching movies, streams. I play most new games that are coming out and would like to be able to run them with ease. I'd also like the GPU/CPU to run relatively cool. Definitely want a full size case.
What is your upgrade cycle?
3 years
When do you plan on building it?
Within a month.
Do you plan on overclocking?
Yes, CPU.
Do you need an Operating System?
No.
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?