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I think the £500 budget was supposed to include a 1920x1080 monitor too, which would make things even more difficult. There's also no optical drive, and no operating system like as mentioned...
I'd recommend the above if you can afford it. If not, some ways to cut cost would be to use a Phenom II X4 and AM3 motherboard instead of the Core i5-2300 and H67 motherboard, maybe a HD 5770 or GTS 450 instead of the HD 6850, and maybe a cheaper case and power supply combination. I saw a Cooler Master Elite 335 and Silverstone Strider 400W combined for a little less than the NSK 4482B (with Earthwatts 380D).
If you're using Scan, try this:
http://www.scan.co.uk/TodayOnly/Index.aspx
I've heard people having issues with Scan though, and using ebuyer or something else instead.
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Well shit, thanks for the help guys, I've got a week until I get paid, so I got a week to look around and what not, I can't really remember looking around scan so I'll have a good look round that.
Thanks again guys.
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Yeah I forgot about the monitor. A 1920x1080 monitor is going to cost around £100. Just pick one from a big brand like LG, Asus or Samsung for the available support if anything goes wrong. People have basically perfected TN panels and they're all nearly identical save for available connectors like HDMI and Displayport. Don't worry getting a monitor with a 5ms refresh rate, you probably won't notice it outside of benchmarks.
If you budget £600 pounds, you can get both the monitor and the computer. While some people might argue otherwise, I wouldn't go AMD since the Phenom IIs aren't appreciably cheaper than the i5 2300 and they're quite significantly weaker.
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I would argue that a 965be is better value than i5-2300 the 965be at stock only loses out to the 2300 by about 3 fps at 1920x1080 and with overclock actually pulls ahead and is 25-30$ cheaper. Also the amd mobo will be cheaper than the intel counterpart.
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Budget: £800 - £900
Uses: Heavy Gaming, Graphic design 3D and 2D animation and programming and general use stuff
I generally upgrade every 4 years its has served me well as i am only currently unable to play a few games on max graphics and there are not games that i cant play.
Im building it this week Thursday, and no i dont plan on over-clocking it right now but in 3 years when its under real strain then i will defo over-clock it, I ready have an OS I don't plan to SLI or cross fire it
i plan on buying my stuff off Ebuyer.com, because its the only online place i trust and i live in the UK.
NZXT Lexa S Case 175611<---(='s the quick find code on ebuyer.com simply go to e buyer and find the Quick find code box)
£57.84
Intel Core i5 2500K 3.3Ghz 251596 (got this one because of price to performance vs 2600K)
£181.84
Asus P8P67 LE P67 252610
£99.99
Acrtic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro rec 2 Socket 176157 "at some point i will replace this with a cheap water cooling solution I saw http://www.ebuyer.com/product/177411"
£14.99
Speedlink 7.1 PCI Audio Card 164495
£18.38
Samsung HD103SJ Spinpoint F3 1TB Hard Drive 173804 "already have one of these drives so im going to RAID 0 them.
£40
OCZ Stealth Xstream II 600W PSU 204353
£54.09
Asus GTX 560 DirectCU II 1GB GDDR5 254405(went for this one because tbh I don't need the GTX570)
£224.99
OCZ 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 1333MHz (7-7-7-20) 173107" was told that there is no real gain for for any higher Mhz because of the limitations of sandy bridge
£43.00 x2 £86.00
Unimportant wires etc
Newlink UK Kettle Lead
£3.51
Plexus Cat5e UTP Patch Cable (Grey) 1m
£1.50
Roccat Taito Gaming Mouse Pad
£9.99
Extra Value Thermal Compound Silver Grease
£0.59 x3 £1.77
Tuniq Thermal Material Remover
£4.17
Grease Injection Tube
£1.52
Plexus Serial ATA 2.0 cable x2
£1.92 x2 £3.84
Xenta Gold Plated V1.4 HDMI to HDMI Cable
£5.97
Belkin Mini Bluetooth USB Adapter
£7.49
should all come to £817.41 + £14.38 delivery (Next day)
if no one can find anything that would cost more than what i have got and would have real benefits for me i will actually get that water cooler because i realized it was 817.41 rather than 871.49 because i counted the PSU x2 LOL
i know that CPU water cooler wont be as affective as a full water cooling kit but its easier cheaper and more affective than any air cooler.
Oh and dont rip on it just because its not AMD you AMD fan boys I want something really powerful and although AMD probably still rules the bottom end of the market they cant touch intel even in the midrange which the i5 is higher midrange.
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Epsilon if you can I would change the video card from Asus to the MSI frozr II, same card just better heatsink/fan set up. Think its the same price too.
According to guru3d the frozr gets 5c lower load temps than that Asus card.
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On February 21 2011 22:13 Az0r_au wrote:
Epsilon if you can I would change the video card from Asus to the MSI frozr II, same card just better heatsink/fan set up. Think its the same price too.
According to guru3d the frozr gets 5c lower load temps than that Asus card.
It's probably because its pre over cloaked, I don't mean to be rude or not seem unthankful, which i am thankful for your input because it would have saved me some money because the MSI one is cheaper and then i could have just over clocked it my self, but its out of stock where im going to buy all my crude from and i don't want 2 deliveries.
actually yeah it comes pre OC'ed but do you know by how much 8Mhz... ... ... what was the point... ... ... I... ... ... erm... ... ... yeah, i think im going to buy a different one just for that.
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I actually want to buy (but not build) a decent computer for gaming, MS Office and maybe streaming. The problem is that I have no clue what I should buy. I have been looking at reviews at Toms Hardware, but it didn't really help me make a decision, because I have no clue how all the different parts cooperate. Could you please help me by recommending a website that offers computers to the Netherlands? My budget is EUR700,- and I would like Windows installed.
I need a monitor and PC, I have sound and other peripherals.
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I just built a computer for my brother a few days ago, which cost about 500€.
Samsung Spinpoint F3 1000GB, SATA II (HD103SJ)
Intel Core i5-2400, 4x 3.10GHz, boxed (BX80623I52400)
G.Skill DIMM Kit 4GB PC3-10667U CL9-9-9-24 (DDR3-1333) (F3-10666CL9D-4GBNQ)
Sapphire Radeon HD 5770, 1024MB GDDR5, 2x DVI, HDMI, DisplayPort, lite retail (11163-02-20R)
ASRock H67M, H67 (dual PC3-10667U DDR3)
Xigmatek Asgard II black
Seasonic S12II-430Bronze 430W ATX 2.2
This was about 500€ in Germany so it should be about the same or maybe a bit more expensive at the place where you are going to buy it.
With the remaining 200€ you could get your monitor (I got no clue what to recommend in that pricerange, maybe someone else can help) and Windows I think.
Imo this setup would be the best you can get for your budget, if you can spend a bit more I would get a better graphics card like a 460GTX.
edit: I just read that you don't want to build the computer yourself. You can buy all those parts @ hardwareversand.de and they will assemble all those parts for additional 15€ and they ship to the Netherlands.
This will definitely get you a better computer than buying a complete package like a Dell or similar.
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On February 21 2011 22:54 q.epsilon.p wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 22:13 Az0r_au wrote:
Epsilon if you can I would change the video card from Asus to the MSI frozr II, same card just better heatsink/fan set up. Think its the same price too.
According to guru3d the frozr gets 5c lower load temps than that Asus card. It's probably because its pre over cloaked, I don't mean to be rude or not seem unthankful, which i am thankful for your input because it would have saved me some money because the MSI one is cheaper and then i could have just over clocked it my self, but its out of stock where im going to buy all my crude from and i don't want 2 deliveries. actually yeah it comes pre OC'ed but do you know by how much 8Mhz... ... ... what was the point... ... ... I... ... ... erm... ... ... yeah, i think im going to buy a different one just for that.
Yeah understandable, the performance of the better heatsink will only show if you OC it yourself anyway and its probably not worth the trouble of waiting for it to get in stock. Hope your build goes well :D
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On February 21 2011 21:03 q.epsilon.p wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Budget: £800 - £900 Uses: Heavy Gaming, Graphic design 3D and 2D animation and programming and general use stuff I generally upgrade every 4 years its has served me well as i am only currently unable to play a few games on max graphics and there are not games that i cant play. Im building it this week Thursday, and no i dont plan on over-clocking it right now but in 3 years when its under real strain then i will defo over-clock it, I ready have an OS I don't plan to SLI or cross fire it i plan on buying my stuff off Ebuyer.com, because its the only online place i trust and i live in the UK. NZXT Lexa S Case 175611<---(='s the quick find code on ebuyer.com simply go to e buyer and find the Quick find code box) £57.84 Intel Core i5 2500K 3.3Ghz 251596 (got this one because of price to performance vs 2600K) £181.84 Asus P8P67 LE P67 252610 £99.99 Acrtic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro rec 2 Socket 176157 "at some point i will replace this with a cheap water cooling solution I saw http://www.ebuyer.com/product/177411"£14.99 Speedlink 7.1 PCI Audio Card 164495 £18.38 Samsung HD103SJ Spinpoint F3 1TB Hard Drive 173804 "already have one of these drives so im going to RAID 0 them. £40 OCZ Stealth Xstream II 600W PSU 204353 £54.09 Asus GTX 560 DirectCU II 1GB GDDR5 254405(went for this one because tbh I don't need the GTX570) £224.99 OCZ 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 1333MHz (7-7-7-20) 173107" was told that there is no real gain for for any higher Mhz because of the limitations of sandy bridge £43.00 x2 £86.00 Unimportant wires etc Newlink UK Kettle Lead £3.51 Plexus Cat5e UTP Patch Cable (Grey) 1m £1.50 Roccat Taito Gaming Mouse Pad £9.99 Extra Value Thermal Compound Silver Grease £0.59 x3 £1.77 Tuniq Thermal Material Remover £4.17 Grease Injection Tube £1.52 Plexus Serial ATA 2.0 cable x2 £1.92 x2 £3.84 Xenta Gold Plated V1.4 HDMI to HDMI Cable £5.97 Belkin Mini Bluetooth USB Adapter £7.49 should all come to £817.41 + £14.38 delivery (Next day) if no one can find anything that would cost more than what i have got and would have real benefits for me i will actually get that water cooler because i realized it was 817.41 rather than 871.49 because i counted the PSU x2 LOL i know that CPU water cooler wont be as affective as a full water cooling kit but its easier cheaper and more affective than any air cooler. Oh and dont rip on it just because its not AMD you AMD fan boys I want something really powerful and although AMD probably still rules the bottom end of the market they cant touch intel even in the midrange which the i5 is higher midrange. Poll: How would you Rate this set-up 1 - 55 (1) 100% 1 (0) 0% 2 (0) 0% 3 (0) 0% 4 (0) 0% 1 total votes Your vote: How would you Rate this set-up 1 - 5 (Vote): 1
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You could get cheaper RAM with worse timings (won't make any difference performance wise).
The soundcard you selected doesn't seem very good. At least I never heard of it. For the same price you could get something like the ASUS Xonar DS 7.1.
What headphones / speakers do you use?
If they are cheap ones you could skip the soundcard altogether and just use the onboard sound and it won't make much of a difference.
On the other hand if you have really good sound equipment you should spend even more on a better soundcard.
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On February 22 2011 01:04 Mischi wrote:
You could get cheaper RAM with worse timings (won't make any difference performance wise).
The soundcard you selected doesn't seem very good. At least I never heard of it. For the same price you could get something like the ASUS Xonar DS 7.1.
What headphones / speakers do you use?
If they are cheap ones you could skip the soundcard altogether and just use the onboard sound and it won't make much of a difference.
On the other hand if you have really good sound equipment you should spend even more on a better soundcard.
I dunno about that low latency does mean applications will respond faster and i made the mistake once of going for the cheapish RAM at the same Mhz and i wont make it again because it was so much more snappy when i installed the OCZ top of the range stuff admitedly at that point the cheap stuff was like £10 - £15 and the OCZ was like £28 wish we could go back to those prices any who the point being it's one thing that I'm really careful about.
and dude don't be sucked into the soundcard biz i will change to a Asus Xonar DG 5.1 Surround Sound Card with Built in Headphone Amp because there has been a problem with getting 5.1 though the optical, but if your using the optical all that matters is the end source because you sending the data which is sent in 1 and 0s rather than analogue which is harder to corrupt in the first place second if the end source decoders are any good they will check the incoming data for errors and then decode it. so as long as you have decent decoders it doesn't matter what sound card you have
it would be much like arguing a 10 100 1000Mb NIC is better than another 10 100 1000 NIC that your going to be downloading your tunes with rather than the speakers your going to play them with, the reason why some people need sound cards like the ASUS Xonar DS 7.1. is because there doing sound engineing and they dont want a 5 - 10ms lag when there recording because that layered on-top of 1000s of 5 - 10ms lags the hole sample could be messed up.
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That's exactly what i meant, if you just use digital out you don't need a soundcard at all, because your A/V receiver or whatever you have connected to that will do the job for you.
But some people use expensive headphones for which you need a good card and often times a headphone amplifier.
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On February 22 2011 02:21 Mischi wrote:
That's exactly what i meant, if you just use digital out you don't need a soundcard at all, because your A/V receiver or whatever you have connected to that will do the job for you.
But some people use expensive headphones for which you need a good card and often times a headphone amplifier.
Ah sorry obv didn't read your last comment properly any whos i rearily use headphones and this one does have a H.P. boost and Dolby Headphone 5.1 high definition surround
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On February 22 2011 02:08 q.epsilon.p wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 01:04 Mischi wrote:
You could get cheaper RAM with worse timings (won't make any difference performance wise).
The soundcard you selected doesn't seem very good. At least I never heard of it. For the same price you could get something like the ASUS Xonar DS 7.1.
What headphones / speakers do you use?
If they are cheap ones you could skip the soundcard altogether and just use the onboard sound and it won't make much of a difference.
On the other hand if you have really good sound equipment you should spend even more on a better soundcard. I dunno about that low latency does mean applications will respond faster and i made the mistake once of going for the cheapish RAM at the same Mhz and i wont make it again because it was so much more snappy when i installed the OCZ top of the range stuff admitedly at that point the cheap stuff was like £10 - £15 and the OCZ was like £28 wish we could go back to those prices any who the point being it's one thing that I'm really careful about.
Always go for name brand RAM, the stuff from the brands you've never heard of can be pretty terrible. He's right though, timings don't make a huge difference. The difference between 7-7-7-20 and 8-8-8-24 at 1333 mhz is like .1% or something. Currently you get way more out of your RAM by bumping up the clock speed but even then the performance advantage is pretty minimal. For games, what matters most is having enough memory to store all the necessary things for the game + OS which is around ~4gb minimum right now.
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/memory/2011/01/11/the-best-memory-for-sandy-bridge/1
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On February 22 2011 02:49 ZeaL. wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 02:08 q.epsilon.p wrote:On February 22 2011 01:04 Mischi wrote:
You could get cheaper RAM with worse timings (won't make any difference performance wise).
The soundcard you selected doesn't seem very good. At least I never heard of it. For the same price you could get something like the ASUS Xonar DS 7.1.
What headphones / speakers do you use?
If they are cheap ones you could skip the soundcard altogether and just use the onboard sound and it won't make much of a difference.
On the other hand if you have really good sound equipment you should spend even more on a better soundcard. I dunno about that low latency does mean applications will respond faster and i made the mistake once of going for the cheapish RAM at the same Mhz and i wont make it again because it was so much more snappy when i installed the OCZ top of the range stuff admitedly at that point the cheap stuff was like £10 - £15 and the OCZ was like £28 wish we could go back to those prices any who the point being it's one thing that I'm really careful about. Always go for name brand RAM, the stuff from the brands you've never heard of can be pretty terrible. He's right though, timings don't make a huge difference. The difference between 7-7-7-20 and 8-8-8-24 at 1333 mhz is like .1% or something. Currently you get way more out of your RAM by bumping up the clock speed but even then the performance advantage is pretty minimal. For games, what matters most is having enough memory to store all the necessary things for the game + OS which is around ~4gb minimum right now. http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/memory/2011/01/11/the-best-memory-for-sandy-bridge/1
and i agree with buying brand RAM although i will always check it against its competition i ALWAYS go for OCZ they are awesome
so you would say that OCZ 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 1600MHz Obsidian Memory Kit 1.65V CL9(9-9-9-24) £32.99 would be more worth it.
well thanks for the tips even with the better sound card the hole thing is cheaper, I'm glad came to this forum.
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Unless you are benchmarking or overclocking, there is NO difference between a 1333MHz cas7 kit, 1600MHz cas9 kit, and a 1333MHz cas9 kit.
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On February 22 2011 03:22 skyR wrote:
Unless you are benchmarking or overclocking, there is NO difference between a 1333MHz cas7 kit, 1600MHz cas9 kit, and a 1333MHz cas9 kit.
if you looked back at my original post I will over clock in the future, and there is a very small diff when mutli tasking and you do not know how much I un-pack and re-pack things so the multi tasking is relevant to me, and the bigger difference between 1333Mhz C7 and 1600C9 is the price £10 cheaper per duel channel kit and im buying 2 so that £20.
any whos why hasn't any one mentioned how AWESOME that case looks for 57.49
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Anyone have any advice for me on Radeon 6970 vs 5870?
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Depends on what you want to do with it..
6970 is more expensive and better, but imo you get more value for your money with the 5870.
If you want to play the latest games with 8xAA and all that stuff get the 6970.
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