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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
ISighZ
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States270 Posts
January 10 2011 08:40 GMT
#2721
Seems like Frys doesn't have the Intel Core i5 stuff. If putting some extra money would provide me a better computer, I don't mind. I'll get the Core i5-2500. GTX460 1GB (Any brand of GTX460 1GB works fine right?, I was looking at Frys and there's different brands of GTX460 1GB i saw one going for $140 after rebate. GALAXY GTX460). For monitor, I think I'll get Acer G235HAbd 23'' WideScreen LCD monitor.
Those 3 item from above and the following
LGA 1155 motherboard (H67) -- $100
2x4 GB DDR3 RAM -- $85 (more RAM is better for working with large projects)
HDD -- $50
Optical drive -- $20
PSU -- $40
Case -- $40
That's all I need? Order those then start building!? I'm so excited!
And Good Night now. I shall head off to sleep.
THAnkS AGAIN!
There is no one to help you unless you help yourself
Silentness
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2821 Posts
January 10 2011 08:52 GMT
#2722
I changed what I'm going to get after tax refund:

Mobo: Asus p867 vanilla
Cpu: i5 2500k
Cpu cooler: Cooler master hyper plus 212+
Case: not sure at moment
PSU: Seasonic 520W
GPU: GTX 460 1 GB
SSD: 120 GB
OS: win 7 home 64 bit
RAM: 4 GB of G SKILL 1600 or whatever
CD: some $20 generic cd/dvd drive

Only games I would be playing are SC2 and possibly *twitches* WoW.
GL HF... YOLO..lololollol.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-10 09:01:48
January 10 2011 09:00 GMT
#2723
On January 10 2011 17:40 ISighZ wrote:
Seems like Frys doesn't have the Intel Core i5 stuff. If putting some extra money would provide me a better computer, I don't mind. I'll get the Core i5-2500. GTX460 1GB (Any brand of GTX460 1GB works fine right?, I was looking at Frys and there's different brands of GTX460 1GB i saw one going for $140 after rebate. GALAXY GTX460). For monitor, I think I'll get Acer G235HAbd 23'' WideScreen LCD monitor.
Those 3 item from above and the following
LGA 1155 motherboard (H67) -- $100
2x4 GB DDR3 RAM -- $85 (more RAM is better for working with large projects)
HDD -- $50
Optical drive -- $20
PSU -- $40
Case -- $40
That's all I need? Order those then start building!? I'm so excited!
And Good Night now. I shall head off to sleep.
THAnkS AGAIN!

You're welcome. The Core i5-2xxx has been available in many locations for only a day or two now, so that's not surprising. Get the GTX 460 1GB at Frys if it's $140, since that's a good deal. Differences in models between companies is fairly small and has to do with the PCB design, specific component choice, cooling solution, etc. and then their warranties and customer support. The graphics chip itself (and thus the performance, if configured the same) is the same for all of them.

If you're getting a GTX 460, you would want a PSU that is a little bit more powerful and expensive. Likewise, a more expensive case may have better ventilation to handle the heat, but you don't need to go overboard on that or the PSU. PSUs vary widely in quality despite what their labels say, so you may want to run exact component choices through here to make sure they're fine (also to make sure everything is compatible).
Ryan307 :)
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States1289 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-10 19:03:12
January 10 2011 18:58 GMT
#2724
Hey, just thought I would let everyone know that newgg has a nice bundle package going on right now if you're looking for the i5-2500

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.584324

I was looking at this myself, does it seem like a reasonable deal?

Edit: Also, if I were to buy this package, what graphics card would you recommend?
Edit 2: Fixed link
Dont let the action of factual things fracture your casual swing
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
January 10 2011 19:39 GMT
#2725
$125 is a high price on a microATX H67 Gigabyte motherboard I think. You can get a similar board for $100. Hard drive, RAM, and case prices are $5-10 maybe each over what would be a good deal. Earthwatts 650W is a solid but unspectacular unit, but $70 is a good price for a trustworthy unit that can actually do 650W. Then again, if you're never going to be using near that much power (and you wouldn't on any single-GPU system, even with insane overclocks), it's maybe a waste. You can find decent 400W PSUs for about $45.

Since you may be able to find other combos or cheaper alternatives, that $45 in combo savings doesn't really sound like much savings. It's not bad though.

At current newegg prices (you could maybe find a better deal elsewhere), a HD 6850 for $170 (- $10 MIR) looks like a decent offer. It can run SC2 on ultra and should handle most games unless you're on ridiculous resolutions.
ISighZ
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States270 Posts
January 10 2011 20:44 GMT
#2726
CPU - Intel Core i5-2500k
Case - http://www.frys.com/product/5782162 $35
Mobo - Mother Board $100
HDD - Hard Drive Disk $40
Ram - 6 GB $49.90 or 6 GB $49.99 I couldn't find any 2x4 GB DDR3 for $80. I did saw one on newegg but I never heard of that brand of memory so..I think 6 GB of ram is enough?
PSU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817709027 $40
GPU - Galaxy GTX460 $140
CD/DVD drive - ASUS $20
Monitor - Acer $150
That's all?
There is no one to help you unless you help yourself
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-10 20:59:37
January 10 2011 20:54 GMT
#2727
@iSighZ

Your components don't make sense. If you're getting a 2500k than that means you want to overclock or use the integrated GPU. But since you have a discrete GPU on your list, that means you're not using the integrated GPU. Which means you want to overclock but you selected a H67 which does not allow you to overclock...

If you're on such a low budget, you may want to reconsider entirely.

I've never heard of sunbeam and quick googling tells me you want to steer clear of them.

You want a dual channel kit as sandybridge is dual channel... not triple channel. GSkill is a better brand than Patriot and is one of the best memory brands atm: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231424
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
January 10 2011 21:22 GMT
#2728
The i5-2500k was from my initial suggestion of not using a discrete GPU if on such a low budget, if the emphasis is on video processing and not gaming. Get the normal i5-2500, i5-2400, or i5-2300. Also get the dual-channel RAM, like skyR is saying. 4GB is enough maybe, unless you're working with large projects.

The SunBeam is a junker btw. This Rosewill Green Series 430W for $45 is okay.

If you really need to cut down on cost, you could get the Athlon II X4 build. You could also try a smaller monitor, weaker GPU, or something like that.
ISighZ
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States270 Posts
January 10 2011 21:47 GMT
#2729
Okay so replace the i5-2500k with i5-2500, the GSkill Ram and the Rosewill Green Series.
That's all I need to replace?
As for the cost, it's fine.. it's time to buy some ramens :DDD
There is no one to help you unless you help yourself
Chaomantic
Profile Joined January 2011
20 Posts
January 10 2011 21:59 GMT
#2730
@ KOFgokuon and skyR

Thanks for the pointers, guys. Much obliged. Gave the matter some thought, lurked some more and decided to heed a176's advice to wait for newer processors to arrive which will take some time where I live (Belarus, Eastern Europe). I'll probably toss in some more money and have myself a decent mid-range thing. Will probably ask for futher guidance on that one. Unfortunatly all of the shops I can find sell overpriced parts and offer no reputable/reliable PSU brands apart from Cooler Master.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
January 10 2011 22:13 GMT
#2731
That'd be everything. The motherboard has two included SATA cables (one for HDD, one for DVD drive). All other cables you need are attached to the PSU or come with the GPU (one 2 molex -> 6-pin PCI-E adapter).

On second thought, maybe you should try another case. I think the one you picked has a (really crappy) power supply included, but it doesn't have a single fan in the back? That's a bad idea for running a system with a GPU like that. For $5 more, you could try this or this.
Silentness
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2821 Posts
January 10 2011 22:46 GMT
#2732
Is it really worth getting a H67 board if you have a i5 2500k? Hell I'd take the overclock any day over the cheap HD 3000 graphic BS.
GL HF... YOLO..lololollol.
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-11 05:09:59
January 11 2011 04:52 GMT
#2733
On January 10 2011 17:52 Silentness wrote:
I changed what I'm going to get after tax refund:

Mobo: Asus p867 vanilla
Cpu: i5 2500k
Cpu cooler: Cooler master hyper plus 212+
Case: not sure at moment
PSU: Seasonic 520W
GPU: GTX 460 1 GB
SSD: 120 GB
OS: win 7 home 64 bit
RAM: 4 GB of G SKILL 1600 or whatever
CD: some $20 generic cd/dvd drive

Only games I would be playing are SC2 and possibly *twitches* WoW.


i dont recommend getting the p8p67 vanilla. the second pcie x16 port only runs at 4x. what that means is that its pointless for sli/crossfire, so you can save money buy getting a smaller matx board.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131688

the p8p67-m pro allows gives you a full slot, is $10 cheaper than the vanilla p8p67, but you wont have any extra slots if opt for 2 video cards.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131691

lastly, on SSDs - the next generation of ssds will be offering minimum speeds that are well over most maximum speeds of current ssds. if you're willing to shell 200-300 for a current drive, you should just get a samsung f3/f4 now and buy one of the newer drives when they come out later.
starleague forever
Toobz
Profile Joined May 2010
United States88 Posts
January 11 2011 23:53 GMT
#2734
Hello again, I have a couple of questions about my brother's desktop computer. It is very old, at least 5 years. Here are the basic current specs:

CPU:
AMD Athlon 64, 2400 MHz (12 x 200) 3800+

GPU/mobo:
NVIDIA GeForce 6150 LE (256 MB) / I think the mobo is the nVIDIA C51

Memory: 1GB

Resolution: 1280x1024


Now before you say "buy a new computer" let me just say that my brother only wants to play SC2 on Low Settings at that resolution. It's pretty laggy when he runs it right now, and IMO unplayable. Is it possible to upgrade a couple components in order to play the game at those settings? I know the GPU is integrated but would it be possible to add an additional video card in there? He wants the cheapest way to play SC2 at low settings at 1280x1024 res. Meaning the GTX 460 is out of the question.

Thanks for the help!
Its pretty alright
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-12 00:34:47
January 12 2011 00:18 GMT
#2735
Nvidia C51 is the motherboard chipset, for socket 939 boards I think. I believe it means he has a PCI-Express slot and not an older AGP slot. You should check to make sure.

To play on lowest settings, you'll need to put in a discrete graphics card. The CPU is still going to be a big problem in larger fights, even in 1v1 situations, but it'll run. RAM is also low, but it should be manageable on lowest settings with no background processes hogging resources.

If you see this in time, try to grab this HD 4650 (512 MB DDR2 version, so crappy -_-;; ) for $35 - $15, free shipping. It's a shell shocker deal that expires sometime today or when they run out of stock I guess. It can borderline do medium on low resolutions, so it'll be perfect for low settings.


On second thought, a single-core Athlon 64 may be just too weak, even early in the game. If we're talking 1v1 scenarios, an Athlon II could mostly handle that and would not be too expensive. Athlon II X2 + Biostar AM3 880G mobo and 2GB DDR3 RAM may be a decent upgrade for more than just SC2. You can run SC2 on low at something like 40-60 fps (early game) on the integrated HD 4250 graphics on that motherboard.
Toobz
Profile Joined May 2010
United States88 Posts
January 12 2011 00:24 GMT
#2736
He doesn't want it to slow down, so if he got that video card could he also possibly upgrade his processor if necessary? As long as the processor works with a 939 motherboard? I'm pretty sure there is room for more ram, but I will check that along with the PCI-e slot.
Its pretty alright
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
January 12 2011 00:34 GMT
#2737
Check the edit above, sorry I was slow.
bitter[KALT]
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States138 Posts
January 12 2011 00:50 GMT
#2738
Hi everybody,

I am going to build a computer and I am going to need some help. I guess the best way to go about this is to run through the questions specified in the OP:

Budget: Around 650 USD (for the case and anything inside it). I am flexible in this regard, but I don't want a high end machine. So I figure this should be enough. Right?

Resolution: Don't know. I haven't used a desktop PC for gaming in 4 years. I am guessing 1680x1050?!

Using it for: Gaming. Almost exclusively. Buying it for SC II, but I want to play some other games as well. (No streaming, no video editing...)

Upgrade Cycle: Pretty long. I don't want to buy new parts in the near future.

When to build: Right now

Overclocking: No

OS: Don't need one

Second GPU: No

Buying from: Newegg, Tigerdirect and the like... So basically online, eastern US

I don't have a lot of experience with buying computer parts. After reading quite a bit and taking a closer look at some products, I am pretty much lost... So any specific suggestions will be appreciated.

Thanks!

TL, "if it's not college level eloquence you are probably gonna get banned"
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
January 12 2011 01:37 GMT
#2739
On January 12 2011 09:50 bitter[KALT] wrote:
Hi everybody,

I am going to build a computer and I am going to need some help. I guess the best way to go about this is to run through the questions specified in the OP:

Budget: Around 650 USD (for the case and anything inside it). I am flexible in this regard, but I don't want a high end machine. So I figure this should be enough. Right?

Resolution: Don't know. I haven't used a desktop PC for gaming in 4 years. I am guessing 1680x1050?!

Using it for: Gaming. Almost exclusively. Buying it for SC II, but I want to play some other games as well. (No streaming, no video editing...)

Upgrade Cycle: Pretty long. I don't want to buy new parts in the near future.

When to build: Right now

Overclocking: No

OS: Don't need one

Second GPU: No

Buying from: Newegg, Tigerdirect and the like... So basically online, eastern US

I don't have a lot of experience with buying computer parts. After reading quite a bit and taking a closer look at some products, I am pretty much lost... So any specific suggestions will be appreciated.

Thanks!



http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=21977008
+
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.575907

= $725

Notes: It a bit more than your stated budget, however, the Sandy Bridge CPUs are ridiculously fast in SC2 (and many other applications), so I believe they are worth every dollar for now and the future. Not to mention a $60 combo savings is hard to pass up.

The HDD is on the smaller side of things at 320gb, but will still be very fast. If you want more space for movies, music, etc, consider getting the 1tb version (but that will cost more).
starleague forever
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-12 01:41:09
January 12 2011 01:39 GMT
#2740
IMHO if you're aiming for longevity, you should get a newer CPU. A reasonably powerful GPU (one that can max out SC2) should last a while, especially if you're willing to drop graphics settings down the road. It's also less of a hassle to upgrade the GPU if you absolutely must.

Too bad the Core i3-21xx isn't out yet, or that'd be a better value for your computer usage.

Core i5-2400 + Intel H67 SATA 6.0 USB3 mobo + free Civ 5 lol
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.575902

G.Skill 2x2 GB DDR3 RAM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231396

Powercolor HD 6850
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131374

Samsung Spinpoint F4 320GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152244

Lite-on generic CD/DVD burner
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106289

Cooler Master HAF 912
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233

Antec Neo Eco 400W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371029

If you live in a state that doesn't have to pay taxes for Newegg, that should be about $650 total including shipping probably. The Spinpoint F4 is one of the fastest 7200 rpm drives, though you could get something with more capacity if you wanted. If you think the HAF 912 looks hideous, you could of course try something else there too.

The CPU is definitely way overkill for current games, but maybe not so much for future games. Going with a cheaper AMD Athlon II + AM3 mobo and getting a higher-end GPU like a HD 6950 would be another option.


edit: lol, pretty much identical builds!
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