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On January 10 2011 03:28 Toobz wrote:OK Here is what I have put together so far. What do you guys think? I selected that video card because It had a really good deal on it, and was cheaper than a GTX 460. Apparently more powerful too. Should I hold out for a GTX 460? http://secure.newegg.com/Shopping/ShoppingCart.aspx
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OOPS! Sorry, I will list everything by hand.
XFX HD-583X-ZAFV Radeon HD 5830 1GB 256-bit DDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card w/ Eyefinity ($170, $140 after rebate)
A-DATA Gaming Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory ($48)
COOLER MASTER GX Series RS650-ACAAE3-US 650W ATX12V v2.31 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply
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COOLER MASTER RC-692-KKN2 CM690 II Advanced Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case (Combo deal for $130)
GIGABYTE GA-P67A-UD3 LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
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Core i5 2500k. (Combo deal for $335)
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive ($70)
ASUS PCE-N13 PCI Express Wireless Adapter ($29)
ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM ($20)
Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - OEM ($10)
Total = $770 + $20 shipping (after rebates).
I know it was recommended to get the Seasonic PSU, but would the Cooler master one be okay? With the case combo it came out pretty cheap. Also I never heard of this brand of memory, but it got good reviews and was pretty cheap, that's why I selected it. Also, what are your thoughts on my Motherboard choice? Any recommendations would be much appreciated. I want quality parts so my computer lasts a long time, so if I have anything there that isn't reliable, I'd like to upgrade to a better brand. Thanks!
EDIT: Also, is that a decent wireless adapter? I am unfortunately bound to wireless for now, and would like to get disconnected as little as possible. Also do power cables come with the PSU?
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I'd stay away from Coolermaster power supplies. I'd only recommend getting Seasonic, Corsair, or Antec.
Here's a review of your power supply in question: http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/11/22/cooler_master_gx_650w_power_supply_review/9
If you're not getting an aftermarket heatsink, I don't think there's a need for AS5 as it's really not going to make that much of a difference on a stock heatsink.
A-DATA might not be as popular but it is a very good brand.
Power supplies will come with all the necessary cables to hook up to your components. Motherboard will include the SATA cables to hook up to your harddrives and dvd-drive.
The 5830 doesn't outperform the GTX 460. It was considered a failure when it was launched and is still pretty much considered a failure to this date. I'm not a big fan of MIRs but its up to you.
Just get a motherboard that has the appropriate connections for your needs. Gigabyte, Asus, and MSI are all top quality brands.
Sorry, Idk anything about wireless adapters.
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AS-5 is useless
Your motherboard is fine, the PSU/Case is fine and your PSU comes with a power cable.
A-DATA isn't bad. Just not performance grade for overclocking. I suppose the HD 5830 at $140 isn't a bad deal, but you could definitely spend an extra $10 and get this
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814162055
which will perform better in most cases, consume less power, and possibly run cooler.
Dunno about the wireless adapter either, but in general they should be ok and 'just work'.
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Mixed opinions on the Power supply? I will keep it in my cart for now, and if I see another brand for cheap then I will snag it instead. What kind of wattage would I need if I got a GTX 460? Also, is it recommended to get a CPU cooler as well? So correct me if I'm wrong, but if I buy the A-DATA then I will not be able to overclock? In that case I should probably get a different brand. Corsair and G.SKILL are the best names to look for in memory, Right?
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On January 10 2011 05:14 Toobz wrote:
Mixed opinions on the Power supply? I will keep it in my cart for now, and if I see another brand for cheap then I will snag it instead. What kind of wattage would I need if I got a GTX 460? Also, is it recommended to get a CPU cooler as well? So correct me if I'm wrong, but if I buy the A-DATA then I will not be able to overclock? In that case I should probably get a different brand. Corsair and G.SKILL are the best names to look for in memory, Right?
If you plan on overclocking than getting a cpu cooler is recommended.
Overclocking the processor is not dependent on ram anymore. All you do is increase the multiplier and you have an overclock. Memory overclocking isn't going to night and day with gaming performance either. So it's up to you if you want to switch up the brand.
500W is fine for a GTX 460. If you want to do upgrades in the future, I'd suggest a 600W.
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Please be aware many of the cheaper P67 boards with 2 pcie16x slots have the second slot "crippled". this slot runs at 4x speed and is not suitable for sli/crossfire. always double check the tech specs at the manufacturer's website if you think you might want to use that slot!
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A Core i5-2500k and GTX 460 has some headroom left on a good 430W unit, even with some moderate overclocking. Most computer components (add-on cards, hard drives, fans, etc.) use significantly less power than the CPU and GPU. Even if you upgrade the CPU or GPU to something later on, as long as you get something with similar or lesser power draw, you're fine on one of those. 600W would be crazy overkill unless you're thinking about going dual-GPU or upgrading to a top-end GPU and stuffing lots and lots of hard drives in there.
Note that the GTX 460 takes two 6-pin PCI-E power connectors. The HD 5830 does as well I think. Most of those 430W units don't have two 6-pin PCI-E power connectors, but you could use the adapter that comes with the GTX 460. Some safe bets:
Antec Earthwatts Green 430D -- $60 - $5 promo code - $25 MIR; no power cord included; 80 mm fan is not loud but could be quieter; 380W review, 500W review
Rosewill Green Series 430W -- $45; 630W version review
Seasonic S12II Bronze 520W -- $60; has two 6-pin PCI-E plugs and has overall higher quality than the above units; 5 year warranty; review1, review2
The Earthwatts Green rebate is not valid if you buy after today.
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would pairing a a 2500k with an h67 be good and for a budget sort of? because i just want enough grahpics to play starcraft on low really well, no need to overclock cpu because i wont need it, all im going to do is watch movies/starcraft/facebook/email/typing stuff/watching streams
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On January 10 2011 08:32 D3ath3nat0r wrote:
would pairing a a 2500k with an h67 be good and for a budget sort of? because i just want enough grahpics to play starcraft on low really well, no need to overclock cpu because i wont need it, all im going to do is watch movies/starcraft/facebook/email/typing stuff/watching streams
i would wait for when the i3-2100 becomes available. that will give you some headroom for a more capable video card.
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So if the GTX 460 takes up two PCI-e x16 slots, and my mobo only has one of them plus one that is x4, will I not be able to use the card?
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On January 10 2011 11:21 Toobz wrote:
So if the GTX 460 takes up two PCI-e x16 slots, and my mobo only has one of them plus one that is x4, will I not be able to use the card?
You misinterpreted what he said. He said that it requires 2 six-pin pci-e power connectors (pictured below).
![[image loading]](http://davedesylvia.com/r.x/psus-0907/pcie-connectors.jpg)
Lower wattage power supplies only comes with one of these so he was implying that you would need to use an molex adapter that comes with the graphics card if you decide to purchase one of these power supplies.
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Thanks for the fast reply. Let me update my build here and you guys can tell me what you think.
Case:
Rosewill CHALLENGER Black Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case, comes with Three Fans-1x Front Blue LED 120mm Fan, 1x Top 140mm Fan, 1x Rear 120mm Fan, option Fans-2x Side 120mm Fan
HD:
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Wireless adapter:
Rosewill RNX-N300X PCI Wireless Adapter
PSU:
SeaSonic S12II 520 Bronze 520W ATX12V V2.3 / EPS 12V V2.91 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply
Memory:
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL
Motherboard:
GIGABYTE GA-P67A-UD3 LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
CPU:
Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I52500K
CD drive:
ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM
GPU:
Galaxy 60XGH6HS3HML GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) GC Version 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
Should I wait a few days for a better deal on a GTX 460? Or is $185 pretty much as good as it gets?
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It's really up to you if you want to play the waiting game for deals. If you search around, I'm sure you can find a very good deal.
Tigerdirect has overall less expensive video cards than Newegg. That same card you listed is going for $160 on Tigerdirect and $140 after mail in rebate on Frys. You can also pick up an EVGA with lifetime warranty (products ending in -AR) for $180 at Tigerdirect as well.
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Great, I suppose I'll go for the Galaxy one from Fry's because it's so cheap. About ready to pull the trigger now. Thanks for all the advice! One more question though, do I need to buy a "sound card"?
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The motherboard has integrated sound card so if you're not an audiophile, you don't have to.
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Hi guys! First time computer building here and just to get a sense of idea.. How hard(easy) is it.. I'll still do it regardless just want to know. Anyway need help with a build.
+ Show Spoiler +Budget : 600 ( I can put more if you think it's better if I put more into it, just want to save as much as I can.. I'm a typical poor student.sigh..)
Resolution : I'll take any monitor that you like to recommend.
Using it for : Video editing(most important) Sony Vegas, surf web and play games. I still prefer BW over SC2 but I would like to play Unreal Tournament since I brought the game with a friend but realized my laptop can't play a game with a spec like that.
Upgrade Cycle: Don't have one but if I were to make one, it would be 2 years.
Plan to build : As soon as possible but if you think I should wait for some good deals that are coming out in a month or so, I can wait.
Overclocking : No
Operating System : Already have Window 7 Ultimate x86(32bit) and 64 bit (Which one should I use for the build you recommend)
Add second GPU and SLI or Crossfire : Should I? Again, I just need the computer for Video editing.
Buy parts from : I can buy from Frys, newegg.com or any other online site that ship to California United States.
Budget doesn't include monitor and OS.
Edit : add in already have operating system and the monitor
And OMG AT THE FAST RESPONSE. Teamliquid what an awesome community.
THANKS FOR THE HELP!
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Building is not that difficult, since parts will only connect one way together (the right way). You can read tutorials and watch videos of how it is done.
$600 is unfortunately a pretty small budget if that includes the cost of the monitor and OS. If you're a student, you can often get Windows 7 at a highly discounted price though. Ask around. You would want the 64-bit version of whatever it is they have.
As an estimate, this is a sample build, with approximate prices:
AMD Athlon II X4 -- $100
AM3 motherboard -- $70
HD 4670 -- $55
2x2 GB DDR3 RAM -- $45
HDD -- $50
Optical drive -- $20
PSU -- $40
Case -- $40
If you want significantly better performance for video editing and can spend somewhat more:
Intel Core i5-2500k -- $220
LGA 1155 motherboard (H67) -- $100
2x4 GB DDR3 RAM -- $85 (more RAM is better for working with large projects)
HDD -- $50
Optical drive -- $20
PSU -- $40
Case -- $40
Graphics performance would be lower than the above by a bit, because you'd be using the integrated graphics on the CPU. It should run most games. SC2 is actually okay on low, and I think Unreal Tournament should have lighter requirements. If you wanted better gaming performance, you could throw in a GPU and get a slightly cheaper CPU instead (Core i5-2300, i5-2400, or i5-2500).
Check the CPU comparison here.
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On January 10 2011 16:37 Myrmidon wrote:Building is not that difficult, since parts will only connect one way together (the right way). You can read tutorials and watch videos of how it is done. $600 is unfortunately a pretty small budget if that includes the cost of the monitor and OS. If you're a student, you can often get Windows 7 at a highly discounted price though. Ask around. You would want the 64-bit version of whatever it is they have. As an estimate, this is a sample build, with approximate prices: AMD Athlon II X4 -- $100 AM3 motherboard -- $70 HD 4670 -- $55 2x2 GB DDR3 RAM -- $45 HDD -- $50 Optical drive -- $20 PSU -- $40 Case -- $40 If you want significantly better performance for video editing and can spend somewhat more: Intel Core i5-2500k -- $220 LGA 1155 motherboard (H67) -- $100 2x4 GB DDR3 RAM -- $85 (more RAM is better for working with large projects) HDD -- $50 Optical drive -- $20 PSU -- $40 Case -- $40 Graphics performance would be lower than the above by a bit, because you'd be using the integrated graphics on the CPU. It should run most games. SC2 is actually okay on low, and I think Unreal Tournament should have lighter requirements. If you wanted better gaming performance, you could throw in a GPU and get a slightly cheaper CPU instead (Core i5-2300, i5-2400, or i5-2500). Check the CPU comparison here.
Thankyou for the super fast response. And yeah budget doesn't include monitor or OS. Question though. What resolution should I get from the build you gave me as "the significantly better performance for video editing"?
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Different people have different requirements for monitors, so it's hard to say. Any screen resolution where you can see everything you want to see is fine? You can get 1920x1080 monitors for about $150 these days, if you get a low-end model. If you need high color accuracy or awesome swivel adjustments, that would cost a lot more.
If you have $600 for just the main computer parts themselves, I'd get a Core i5-2400 or i5-2300 instead and then a cheapish discrete GPU. As a rough guideline for GPUs, see this. Depending on the screen resolution (lower is easier to do of course), something around the HD 4670 can do medium settings on SC2. Most older games have lesser graphics requirements than that. Something on the GTX 460 1GB (around $180) level can do ultra settings for SC2 on 1920x1200 fine, as a reference.
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