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On January 08 2011 17:29 Yiruru wrote:
Might as well ask here instead of posting another thread:
I have a SATA HDD from my Laptop since it stopped working (No POST, probably Bios? but I never tried to flash the Bios so iounno), can I just connect it to my Desktop using normal SATA cables?
yes you can do that but you'll need an adapter to hold it since it won't be a 3.5".
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I just need to backup the data, I'll just connect it with the case open @ _ @ ?
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Hello all, first time computer builder here. I am very interested in getting a core i5 2500K processor for my new desktop, since I think it will last me a very long time due to it being overclockable (I am a newbie at overclocking though). I was thinking of building a computer without a video card at first and see how I like playing SC2 at low settings. I'm pretty sure the i5 2500K's graphics are more than enough to watch movies and Youtube with also. But I really don't know the first thing about building a computer or what the good components to buy are (motherboard, etc.). That's why I'm posting here! Thanks for your help!
+ Show Spoiler +What is your budget?
I think probably about $600-$800.
What is your resolution?
I don't currently have a monitor right now, I may be able to get one from a friend for very cheap. It probably won't be the best resolution though. I do intend to eventually buy a decent monitor in the future, so I guess a 1080p would be a good resolution to shoot for.
What are you using it for?
SC2, internet browsing, music, etc.
What is your upgrade cycle?
This is my first desktop computer, so I don't really have an upgrade cycle yet. I usually don't buy too many computer games though, and SC2 is the most graphically intense game I intend to play for a while.
When do you plan on building it?
I would like to start buying parts for it within the next couple weeks. I've been waiting for the new Core i5 processors to come out.
Do you plan on overclocking?
As of right now, no. But down the line if a game comes out where it would be beneficial to overclock, I would like the option to do so. Just to extend my computer life for as long as possible before needing to upgrade.
Do you need an Operating System?
I have Windows XP home, but I may be able to borrow my friends Windows 7. If not, then I will probably have to buy the OS. I am not including an OS in my budget.
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
I heard that the Core i5 2500k can run SC2 on low settings just fine, so I was thinking of building this computer without a video card and buying one when I want to play a more graphically intense game. What are your thoughts on this logic?
Where are you buying your parts from?
I really only know of two websites: Newegg and Tigerdirect. I have never bought from either website before, but I have heard good things about Newegg so I will probably buy from there.
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If you want to use the Sandybridge IGP, then you must use an H67 mobo. That will limit your choices right there, and also means you won't be able to use Xfire/SLI. However, if you are willing to try low settings, chances are you probably aren't interested in spending big money on GPUs (much less two GPUs) - so this may be a moot point.
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What the? You can't do both? That seems pretty retarded. Why do they even include a IGP in the 2500k then? That seems pretty pointless. If that's the case, I suppose I would rather buy a decent video card and be able to play on high/ultra. Would you guys recommend getting the 2500K in order to have the option of overclocking down the road?
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@mav451
huh? you can't overclock the processor on the h67 but you can overclock the memory and graphics core.
@toobz
The 2500 can still overclock, just not as high as the K version. The K version has unlocked multipliers so you can try 4.5ghz+ overclocks if you want. But if you want a mild overclock, the non-K should be fine as it'll hit a maximum of 4.1ghz. Being as its your first computer and overclock, the 2500 should be fine.
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Ah, good to know. In that case, I suppose H67 mobo with a i5 2500 would be the best thing for me then. That way I'd be able to overclock mildly to 4.1 ghz and use the IGP. What is that third chipset that you were talking about? Should I wait for that?
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On January 09 2011 12:19 Toobz wrote:
Ah, good to know. In that case, I suppose H67 mobo with a i5 2500 would be the best thing for me then. That way I'd be able to overclock mildly to 4.1 ghz and use the IGP. What is that third chipset that you were talking about? Should I wait for that?
Suppose I wasn't being clear.
2500 comes default at 3.3ghz (a 100 base clock and a multiplier of 33). Intel has this feature called turbo boost which will increase the multiplier to achieve a higher speed during load (gaming, rendering, etc). By default, it'll increase the multipler by 4 so it'll achieve a speed of 3.7ghz.
On H67, that is what you get. You can't increase the multiplier any further. But on P67, you can increase the turbo boost multiplier from 4 to 8 so you achieve 4.1ghz.
With a 2500K, the multiplier is unlocked so you can change the multiplier to whatever number pleases you. Keep in mind that you still need a P67.
Maybe this picture will help explain it? =\
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The third chipset is Z68. I haven't read much on it yet but all I know is that there are some SSD benefits that comes with it.
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Yeah I just read the Asrock manual (look at Caution 1 on page 9) - which makes me really wonder how that reviewer got 4.8Ghz on his 2500K, on a H67 board of all things. Anyway, I found that link from another forum but I think I'm gonna pull it now.
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Big warning: Only the i7-2600k and i5-2500k (and not the non-k versions) have the Intel HD Graphics 3000. The others have the weaker HD Graphics 2000, which have 6 execution units rather than the 12 on the HD Graphics 3000. See here.
You'd want a i5-2500k with a H67 motherboard.
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Slides reveal all!
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re; H67 vs P67
its true P67 will allow you to overclock. but be mindful of the fact that benchmarks you see on websites use the default clocks. so if you want to buy a H67, you will be getting each and every performance point as provided by those pretty graphs you've seen over the past week(s).
just a thought 
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1)Can I bump my question on page 134?
2) Also, I tried connecting my keyboard into the PS/2 instead of USB and when I turned on comp, I got continuous short beeps. Removing the keyboard from that stopped the beeps. Anyone know why?
I figure it's better to ask these small things here rather than start new threads :O
Thanks guys
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OK I think I will probably go for the 2500K with the P67 chipset. I am leaning away from the H67 because I want to play SC2 on at least medium/high settings, and it I would have to buy a graphics card to do that anyway even with the H67 motherboard.
Is there any specific P67 motherboard I should try to get? I am a little budget conscious, but I want good functionality as well.
Should I go for a Samsung Spinpoint HD for a WD Caviar Black HD? I heard Caviar Black was top of the line kind of stuff. Is it worth it?
For GPU I suppose the GTX 460 is what all the rage is about. I will look for a good deal on one of those. If I find a decent deal on a ATI card that supposedly has better performance than the 460, would it be a wise purchase?
What are your suggestions for PSU, Case, and cooling? I am very worried about overheating, as that's how I killed my old laptop a few months ago. I want this computer to last as long as possible.
Thanks again, sorry for all the questions. I really appreciate the advice!
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On January 10 2011 01:47 Toobz wrote:
OK I think I will probably go for the 2500K with the P67 chipset. I am leaning away from the H67 because I want to play SC2 on at least medium/high settings, and it I would have to buy a graphics card to do that anyway even with the H67 motherboard.
Is there any specific P67 motherboard I should try to get? I am a little budget conscious, but I want good functionality as well.
Should I go for a Samsung Spinpoint HD for a WD Caviar Black HD? I heard Caviar Black was top of the line kind of stuff. Is it worth it?
For GPU I suppose the GTX 460 is what all the rage is about. I will look for a good deal on one of those. If I find a decent deal on a ATI card that supposedly has better performance than the 460, would it be a wise purchase?
What are your suggestions for PSU, Case, and cooling? I am very worried about overheating, as that's how I killed my old laptop a few months ago. I want this computer to last as long as possible.
Thanks again, sorry for all the questions. I really appreciate the advice!
Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB is the best atm. The only reason why you would get a Caviar Black is for its 5 year warranty as Samsung only comes with 3.
A good deal on a GTX 460 or 6850 or any better card would be a good deal. The MSI GTX 460 1GB Hawk has been as low as $155 on Newegg keep in mind.
For a PSU, I'd get a Seasonic: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151094
For case, just get something you like? Some examples of budget cases with great airflow include but not limited to the Coolermaster 690ii Advanced, Coolermaster Storm Scout, Coolermaster Haf X 922, Antec 902, Lian Li Lancool.
If you want to get an aftermarket cooler for your CPU, just get a Coolermaster Hyper 212+ as it's a very good cooler (and you can find it often on sale for $19.99).
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H67 can play low graphics 1360x768 around 94.1fps,medium on like 30, and high on 13.1
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On January 08 2011 08:42 maxchgr wrote:
Hey guys,
My step dad bought a computer that was prebuilt for him, and after using it a little and trying to install some old palm's sync software, he said "something happened" and he couldn't get into windows. I realized when it didn't recognize boot from hard drive that there's something wrong with the connection. I removed the hard drive from the SATA 6G connector and put it into one of the regular SATA drives (my limited knowledge tells me that's SATA 3.0?). It worked and the computer booted up normally.
My questions are:
1) Is the hard drive slower on the regular SATA than it would be on the SATA 6G? I.e., is it at a disadvantage the way it is set up now? I can't find good information on what is SATA 6G..
2) Why do you think this happened? Does it have anything possibly to do with the palm sync software or is that a coincidence?
And I think in the mean time I'm gonna tell my step dad to call the motherboard company and tell them that the SATA 6G port is defective.
you will see no speed difference between a 'regular' sata port and a sata6 port for your HDD. the sata6 port should be fully backwards compatible with the regular sata devices. it is a futureproof port for devices like next-gen SSDs with crazy high transfer rates.
as for the port itself, i highly doubt the software caused an issue in the hardware. the port is controlled through the bios so either something happened there or the port did indeed fail in some fashion.
though, if you do go through the mobo company, they will probably get him/you to do quite a bit of troubleshooting before they opt you to send it in for RMA.
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OK Here is what I have put together so far. What do you guys think? I selected that video card because It had a really good deal on it, and was cheaper than a GTX 460. Apparently more powerful too. Should I hold out for a GTX 460?
http://secure.newegg.com/Shopping/ShoppingCart.aspx
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