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On October 08 2012 09:26 skyR wrote:
Ask in December.
Yes the budget easily allows for a 128 or 256gb SSD.
NZXT Phantom, Lian Li PC-8FIR, and many other Lian Li cases are the only ones that come to mind when you ask for red.
Alright, I'll come back in December then. Yeah the NZXT Phantom would be a little too big, but I'll worry about the case once I actually plan out a proper build. Thanks though!
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On October 08 2012 07:37 NuKE[vZ] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2012 05:32 Myrmidon wrote:On October 08 2012 05:15 NuKE[vZ] wrote:On October 08 2012 05:11 Myrmidon wrote:What you want to do is replace the XL2410T... Running RAM higher than 1600 MHz should probably be considered overclocking btw. You want to overclock RAM and not the CPU or GPU? Or you want to run 2400 MHz-rated RAM at a lower speed? (and really, you know all kinds of difference the higher speed makes, right?) Of course the new build is waste of money, but who says that you can't waste money if you want to? I just think that there are better things to waste money on, even if you're looking at computer-related stuff. $255 RAM, $330 motherboard for a build that's not going to be overclocked, not to mention most of the other things? Then a leafblower-design reference graphics card? btw that's a SAS (not SATA) hard drive, and that motherboard doesn't support SAS. If you want to get a build to show off, get something that looks better than a HAF 932. Can't you afford a Silverstone FT02 or something? Or if you don't care about price, get some kind of specialty acrylic / aluminum / whatever build. You can also try something more functional in a different way, like building around extremely low system noise or small size or something different. Why would I replace the XL2410T? 120hz/2ms, it's a great monitor. If anything I will probably have to upgrade to a new one, as I would give it to my brother. Would get their latest monitor of their 120hz/2ms series, I think it's XL2412T or something. Have you any suggestions then? Give me your build that makes sense, will stay at stock with capabilities of being OC'd in the future. Just PC parts, I'll leave the monitor to my choosing. Thanks in advance. EDIT: The fact of the matter is, I will be getting a new pc. My old pc is irrelevant atm, so any help would be much appreciated. What's the point of the XL2410T? 120 Hz for better motion performance? The problem is that the motion responsiveness is worse than on most 60 Hz sets because of the poor overdrive to achieve the "2 ms", even worse than IPS variants that should be slower: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/content/benq_xl2410t.htm#display_comparisonsIf it doesn't bother you, then good. As for a specific build, what's it going to be used for, other than presumably games and maybe Blu-Ray content? Counter Strike Global offensive, starcraft 2, a little battlefield 3 here and there and a few other STEAM games. I also edit videos using Sony Vegas, and use Photoshop, uTorrent, etc.. Like I said there really isn't any budget, no more than 3k, but I can work with less if it's beastly for less, which I know it can be lol. Show nested quote +On October 08 2012 06:51 Medrea wrote:On October 08 2012 05:15 NuKE[vZ] wrote:On October 08 2012 05:11 Myrmidon wrote:What you want to do is replace the XL2410T... Running RAM higher than 1600 MHz should probably be considered overclocking btw. You want to overclock RAM and not the CPU or GPU? Or you want to run 2400 MHz-rated RAM at a lower speed? (and really, you know all kinds of difference the higher speed makes, right?) Of course the new build is waste of money, but who says that you can't waste money if you want to? I just think that there are better things to waste money on, even if you're looking at computer-related stuff. $255 RAM, $330 motherboard for a build that's not going to be overclocked, not to mention most of the other things? Then a leafblower-design reference graphics card? btw that's a SAS (not SATA) hard drive, and that motherboard doesn't support SAS. If you want to get a build to show off, get something that looks better than a HAF 932. Can't you afford a Silverstone FT02 or something? Or if you don't care about price, get some kind of specialty acrylic / aluminum / whatever build. You can also try something more functional in a different way, like building around extremely low system noise or small size or something different. Why would I replace the XL2410T? 120hz/2ms, it's a great monitor. If anything I will probably have to upgrade to a new one, as I would give it to my brother. Would get their latest monitor of their 120hz/2ms series, I think it's XL2412T or something. Have you any suggestions then? Give me your build that makes sense, will stay at stock with capabilities of being OC'd in the future. Just PC parts, I'll leave the monitor to my choosing. Thanks in advance. EDIT: The fact of the matter is, I will be getting a new pc. My old pc is irrelevant atm, so any help would be much appreciated. Hey Nuke! The problem we are having is that we dont have enough information to work with. And chances are I could swap the machine your planning to buy with a system thats about a third of the cost, and chances are VERY good you would not know the difference. So Im gonna go down your wish list and ask you if there is any reason you are getting X part instead of Y part. Why the Haf 932 instead of the Haf 912 which is a third of the price and will in no way impact performance of your build. Why the 3930 hexacore when a non-enthusiast quad core will give you identical performance in games while costing half as much. You would have to be super big into 2D programs like photoshop or streaming, and even then I wouldnt recommend a 2011 socket since that socket is old now. Same goes for the $340 motherboard. In non enthusiast land you can get a motherboard that can overclock for $90. Why $250 dollar RAM when $50 RAM has identical performance for nearly everything and 1155 only calls for 1333mhz. Why an Enterprise hard drive? At all? Why pair $2500 worth of computer hardware with a shitty air cooler? I expect at LEAST a custom water loop with phase change since you will probably be seeking world record benchmarks. $2500 in and only ONE 680? The build in general is very schizophrenic. And as I said its very easy to build a setup that performs the same as this setup. You can't even think you are future proofing because this $2500 and an $800 will be obsolete at the same time. And since Im spending $1700 dollars less, I could have had quadruple 680's in my rig if I wanted to, which would blow away your paltry single 680. So what is it you wanna do? Play games? Because Quadruple 680 sandwich is better than one 680. Lots of encoding? Because two computers is actually better for that as well. If you are dead set on spending that kind of money. Spend a good amount of the budget on NOT the computer. Get a good desk if you dont have one. Get an EXCELLENT chair. Aeron's are excellent and are cheap now, only $500. Get perfect mouse and keyboard. Get a professional headphone and microphone. Custom molded if you want. These will increase quality of life way way more than hexcore sandy bridge. What is your budget? 1k-3k What is your resolution? 1 Monitor: 1920x1080 & 1280x1024 What are you using it for? Counter-Strike: Global Offensive, Starcraft 2, Battlefield 3, Video editing with Sony Vegas, and other steam games. I ALSO WILL BE STREAMING CS GLOBAL OFFENSIVE mainly, possibly some vegas editing and starcraft as well. This is why I wanted a high end cpu.What is your upgrade cycle? Whenever my adhd kicks in and I feel like spending money on something new and exciting. When do you plan on building it? As soon as i get a good suggestion. Do you plan on overclocking? Yes, not right off the bat, but there's always a possibility. Do you need an Operating System? No. Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? Possibility of adding another GPU, yes. Where are you buying your parts from? Newegg(only, unless there's some really crazy deal) Hope that helps, thanks! EDIT: I definitely want an SSD and will spend $$ on it.
still need a setup here, please :D
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On October 08 2012 08:24 NuKE[vZ] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2012 07:58 Medrea wrote:
As I was saying, with that kind of budget you are actually better off buying two computers for streaming, with a capture card.
A hexacore wont be able to stream and play SC2 or many games flawlessly, but 2 quadcore i7's will, and are cheaper to boot.
So you can just build yourself a second computer with like an i5 or i7, and just have it chilling out while you arent streaming, or turn it on for tournament quality streaming ability. AND you would be saving money. hmmm, I don't really understand how this could be possible. Can you explain it in further detail? So an Intel Core i7-3770K Ivy Bridge wouldn't be able to stream? How can I have 2 pc's, 1 streaming my pc, the other play... I'm not that pc savvy lol
Computer one plays the game, the second computer streams the game either through LAN or through a capture card like the often recommended Avermedia c985. We have a tutorial about this on TL.
Computer one is your main computer that has what you need. Good CPU, good GPU, the works. If you want an SLI rig with dual 680's, this is the computer that gets it. You can get this computer for like $1300-$1500 depending on what you want. Or no more than $900 or so if SLI (and all of its problems) isn't your thing.
The second computer doesnt even need a GPU as far as I know, but a budget of around $700 with a capture card or $500 without (estimates of course) will let you stream 720p at 60 fps, regardless of what game you are playing (as long as your computer one can render the game that fast). Because it is on a second computer, streaming won't affect your experience at all, whereas with a hexacore you will always be trading FPS for stream quality.
This is what esports tournaments do. The casting computers are linked to another computer via capture card or LAN via VLC. The casting computer doesnt do both, that would wreck the framerate.
Anyway, thats why no one has really recommended a build for you yet. Because we can't make heads or tails of your needs and budget. When someone is willing to throw down up to $3000 on a computer but only has $800 needs, we tend to shy away. No one wants to be the guy your gonna maybe yell at when one of your friends spends less money for a way better setup.
And if you want to give up flawless 720p at 60 fps and settle for maybe 720p at 30 fps, for $2500 you can get a flagship system for both you AND your bro! Plus like, a nice i3 system for your Mom.
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On October 08 2012 07:37 NuKE[vZ] wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 08 2012 05:32 Myrmidon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2012 05:15 NuKE[vZ] wrote:On October 08 2012 05:11 Myrmidon wrote:What you want to do is replace the XL2410T... Running RAM higher than 1600 MHz should probably be considered overclocking btw. You want to overclock RAM and not the CPU or GPU? Or you want to run 2400 MHz-rated RAM at a lower speed? (and really, you know all kinds of difference the higher speed makes, right?) Of course the new build is waste of money, but who says that you can't waste money if you want to? I just think that there are better things to waste money on, even if you're looking at computer-related stuff. $255 RAM, $330 motherboard for a build that's not going to be overclocked, not to mention most of the other things? Then a leafblower-design reference graphics card? btw that's a SAS (not SATA) hard drive, and that motherboard doesn't support SAS. If you want to get a build to show off, get something that looks better than a HAF 932. Can't you afford a Silverstone FT02 or something? Or if you don't care about price, get some kind of specialty acrylic / aluminum / whatever build. You can also try something more functional in a different way, like building around extremely low system noise or small size or something different. Why would I replace the XL2410T? 120hz/2ms, it's a great monitor. If anything I will probably have to upgrade to a new one, as I would give it to my brother. Would get their latest monitor of their 120hz/2ms series, I think it's XL2412T or something. Have you any suggestions then? Give me your build that makes sense, will stay at stock with capabilities of being OC'd in the future. Just PC parts, I'll leave the monitor to my choosing. Thanks in advance. EDIT: The fact of the matter is, I will be getting a new pc. My old pc is irrelevant atm, so any help would be much appreciated. What's the point of the XL2410T? 120 Hz for better motion performance? The problem is that the motion responsiveness is worse than on most 60 Hz sets because of the poor overdrive to achieve the "2 ms", even worse than IPS variants that should be slower: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/content/benq_xl2410t.htm#display_comparisonsIf it doesn't bother you, then good. As for a specific build, what's it going to be used for, other than presumably games and maybe Blu-Ray content? Counter Strike Global offensive, starcraft 2, a little battlefield 3 here and there and a few other STEAM games. I also edit videos using Sony Vegas, and use Photoshop, uTorrent, etc.. Like I said there really isn't any budget, no more than 3k, but I can work with less if it's beastly for less, which I know it can be lol. On October 08 2012 06:51 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2012 05:15 NuKE[vZ] wrote:On October 08 2012 05:11 Myrmidon wrote:What you want to do is replace the XL2410T... Running RAM higher than 1600 MHz should probably be considered overclocking btw. You want to overclock RAM and not the CPU or GPU? Or you want to run 2400 MHz-rated RAM at a lower speed? (and really, you know all kinds of difference the higher speed makes, right?) Of course the new build is waste of money, but who says that you can't waste money if you want to? I just think that there are better things to waste money on, even if you're looking at computer-related stuff. $255 RAM, $330 motherboard for a build that's not going to be overclocked, not to mention most of the other things? Then a leafblower-design reference graphics card? btw that's a SAS (not SATA) hard drive, and that motherboard doesn't support SAS. If you want to get a build to show off, get something that looks better than a HAF 932. Can't you afford a Silverstone FT02 or something? Or if you don't care about price, get some kind of specialty acrylic / aluminum / whatever build. You can also try something more functional in a different way, like building around extremely low system noise or small size or something different. Why would I replace the XL2410T? 120hz/2ms, it's a great monitor. If anything I will probably have to upgrade to a new one, as I would give it to my brother. Would get their latest monitor of their 120hz/2ms series, I think it's XL2412T or something. Have you any suggestions then? Give me your build that makes sense, will stay at stock with capabilities of being OC'd in the future. Just PC parts, I'll leave the monitor to my choosing. Thanks in advance. EDIT: The fact of the matter is, I will be getting a new pc. My old pc is irrelevant atm, so any help would be much appreciated. Hey Nuke! The problem we are having is that we dont have enough information to work with. And chances are I could swap the machine your planning to buy with a system thats about a third of the cost, and chances are VERY good you would not know the difference. So Im gonna go down your wish list and ask you if there is any reason you are getting X part instead of Y part. Why the Haf 932 instead of the Haf 912 which is a third of the price and will in no way impact performance of your build. Why the 3930 hexacore when a non-enthusiast quad core will give you identical performance in games while costing half as much. You would have to be super big into 2D programs like photoshop or streaming, and even then I wouldnt recommend a 2011 socket since that socket is old now. Same goes for the $340 motherboard. In non enthusiast land you can get a motherboard that can overclock for $90. Why $250 dollar RAM when $50 RAM has identical performance for nearly everything and 1155 only calls for 1333mhz. Why an Enterprise hard drive? At all? Why pair $2500 worth of computer hardware with a shitty air cooler? I expect at LEAST a custom water loop with phase change since you will probably be seeking world record benchmarks. $2500 in and only ONE 680? The build in general is very schizophrenic. And as I said its very easy to build a setup that performs the same as this setup. You can't even think you are future proofing because this $2500 and an $800 will be obsolete at the same time. And since Im spending $1700 dollars less, I could have had quadruple 680's in my rig if I wanted to, which would blow away your paltry single 680. So what is it you wanna do? Play games? Because Quadruple 680 sandwich is better than one 680. Lots of encoding? Because two computers is actually better for that as well. If you are dead set on spending that kind of money. Spend a good amount of the budget on NOT the computer. Get a good desk if you dont have one. Get an EXCELLENT chair. Aeron's are excellent and are cheap now, only $500. Get perfect mouse and keyboard. Get a professional headphone and microphone. Custom molded if you want. These will increase quality of life way way more than hexcore sandy bridge. What is your budget? 1k-3k What is your resolution? 1 Monitor: 1920x1080 & 1280x1024 What are you using it for? Counter-Strike: Global Offensive, Starcraft 2, Battlefield 3, Video editing with Sony Vegas, and other steam games. I ALSO WILL BE STREAMING CS GLOBAL OFFENSIVE mainly, possibly some vegas editing and starcraft as well. This is why I wanted a high end cpu.What is your upgrade cycle? Whenever my adhd kicks in and I feel like spending money on something new and exciting. When do you plan on building it? As soon as i get a good suggestion. Do you plan on overclocking? Yes, not right off the bat, but there's always a possibility. Do you need an Operating System? No. Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? Possibility of adding another GPU, yes. Where are you buying your parts from? Newegg(only, unless there's some really crazy deal) Hope that helps, thanks! EDIT: I definitely want an SSD and will spend $$ on it.
I sometimes like to put together builds while watching streams, so here's what a super-slick professional streaming setup might look like. (Caveat: Myrmidon, Medrea, SkyR, and most of the other regulars on this forum are generally more knowledgeable than I, so if they contradict me, they're probably right.)
Editing/Streaming computer (smaller mATX size just for fun): $898
CPU: i7-3770k - $310 (a bit overkill, but whatever)
Motherboard: Gigabyte z77mD3h - $120
CPU cooler: stock Intel heatsink. Buy an aftermarket heatsink if you decide to overclock. Recommended if you feel you need more CPU oomph.
Graphics: Intel integrated graphics
RAM: 2x4gb 1600mhz RAM, in this case G.Skill Ares - $39
Case: Antec mini-p180 - $50
PSU: Rosewill Capstone 450 - $65
HDD: Hitachi 1TB - $80
DVD burner - $16
Capture Card: Avermedia Live Gamer HD - $218
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=70540&vpn=BX80637I73770K&manufacture=Others&promoid=1061
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128554
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231544
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=51309&vpn=MiniP180White&manufacture=Antec&promoid=1381
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182261
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145533
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=57659&vpn=IHAS224-06&manufacture=Liteon&promoid=1381
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815100100
Gameplay computer: $1475
CPU: i5-3570k - $220
Motherboard: Gigabyte z77x-ud3h - $150
CPU Cooler: see above
Graphics: 2x Gigabyte 7950 - $620
RAM: see above
Case: Haf 912 - $50
PSU: Rosewill Capstone 750 - $100
SSD: 256gb Samsung 830 - $200
HDD: see above
DVD burner: see above
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=70541&vpn=BX80637I53570K&manufacture=Others&promoid=1061
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=70263&vpn=GA-Z77X-UD3H&manufacture=Gigabyte
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=67546&vpn=GV-R795WF3-3GD&manufacture=Gigabyte&promoid=1061
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=55583&vpn=RC-912-KKN1&manufacture=COOLERMASTER&promoid=1368
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182264
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147164
Cost for both towers: $2373
I went for relative luxury components on some items (psu, for instance), not so much on other items (haf 912 rather than $150 case, for instance), as I felt like it, but everything is quality in terms of raw performance.
How would this work? Well I've never actually done it, but theoretically you're playing on the gameplay computer. The video connections go from GPU output on gameplay computer --> Capture Card input on streaming computer --> Capture Card output on streaming computer --> your gameplay computer's monitor. (same thing with audio) Connected directly to your streaming computer's motherboard is the streaming computer's monitor where you can manage your screen rather than having it filled with SC2.
So while the main computer runs the game, the second computer takes the video from the capture card and runs the stream. Note this may actually be impossible with a 120hz monitor like the Benq xl2410 because if I recall correctly HDMI doesn't have enough bandwidth for that monitor and the capture card connections are all HDMI (or HDMI to single-link DVI adapter at the end).
The capture card in question can also be used in a single-computer scenario to reduce demand on the computer's CPU. To learn more, search team liquid for "avermedia". There should be a few threads. That's probably what you actually want to go for: just the second computer above, possibly with the i7 instead of the i5, and adding the capture card.
You can also go in stages depending on how things feel to you. For instance, get just the second computer with only one 7950 & try streaming/gaming on that. Satisfied? Stop. Want a little extra graphics oomph in BF3? Add the second 7950. Want a little extra CPU oomph for streaming? Overclock or add the capture card. Still not satisfied while streaming? Add the second computer & overclock it if you feel like it.
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I would switch the processors from one to the other. Honestly streaming doesnt take a whole lot of power. i5's for both is fine.
I feel you can give up overclocking the stream PC to save 100 bucks on the CPU, 30 bucks on a cooler, and 60 bucks on the motherboard. 1333 RAM should be all thats needed, and quite honestly this is where you look for a really cheap PSU since the computer won't be on all the time and the power needs are very very low. So like 430 CX V2. Streaming computer doesnt need a hard drive so whatever is laying around will work, or a small one. I personally also wouldnt even bother with a disk drive.
I feel like 750W is a bit overkill for the main PC and yes I realize we are crossfiring. The second computer is a good example of a PC that would probably perform better than the original 2011 and is over $1000 less in cost. But still I also feel like the motherboard is a bit overkill but thats debatable.
Either way, a good baseline. What actually ends up getting purchased will depend on what day the build is bought since prices on a lot vary by day, particularly Wednesdays.
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Hey guys, I would appreciate a breakdown of a new build. I don't know a ton about computers, really, so I'm hoping you guys can help me out.
Budget: 400-600. I'm planning on spending around 500, but am willing to go slightly up or down
Resolution: 1600x900
What Am I using it for: I play Starcraft Diablo, and WoW mainly, but wouldn't mind being able to play some newer titles (playing on the highest graphics settings isn't a priority for me, as long as I can run smoothly). Also, when I play certain games like Diablo or WoW, I want to be able to dual screen to watch netflix due to the grindy nature of those games.
Upgrade Cycle: Undetermined. As of now I'm not planning on streaming anything, but if I change my mind I might upgrade to a better Processor at some point, otherwise, fairly long
When: ASAP. I'm actually planning on Starting to order stuff tommorow
Overclocking?: No
OS needed?: Yes
SLI: no
Where?: Newegg most likely
Thanks all.
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Ok, I probably got lost in the last conversation, but could I get a little feedback on this:
APEX SK-393-C Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
GIGABYTE GA-B75M-D3V LGA 1155 Intel B75 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
Thermaltake TR2 W0070RUC 430W ATX12V V2.2 Intel Core i7 Compliant Dual 80mm Fans Full Cable Sleevings Power Supply
Intel Core i3-3220 Ivy Bridge 3.3GHz LGA 1155 55W Dual-Core Desktop Processor
Kingston 4GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Desktop Memory Model KVR1333D3N9/4G
Western Digital WD AV-GP WD3200AUDX 320GB IntelliPower SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM
Hoping this will play BF3/SC2/DayZ/Minecraft. I have an ASUS GTx560Ti I will be using also.
Is anything here worth spending a couple extra bucks on to upgrade or save some and downgrade??
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On October 08 2012 13:20 Toss907 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Ok, I probably got lost in the last conversation, but could I get a little feedback on this:
APEX SK-393-C Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
GIGABYTE GA-B75M-D3V LGA 1155 Intel B75 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
Thermaltake TR2 W0070RUC 430W ATX12V V2.2 Intel Core i7 Compliant Dual 80mm Fans Full Cable Sleevings Power Supply
Intel Core i3-3220 Ivy Bridge 3.3GHz LGA 1155 55W Dual-Core Desktop Processor
Kingston 4GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Desktop Memory Model KVR1333D3N9/4G
Western Digital WD AV-GP WD3200AUDX 320GB IntelliPower SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM
Hoping this will play BF3/SC2/DayZ/Minecraft. I have an ASUS GTx560Ti I will be using also.
Is anything here worth spending a couple extra bucks on to upgrade or save some and downgrade??
I would suggest not using the cheapest possible case with no fans for a build with a real graphics card inside. Can you spend like $10-15 more for a Fractal Design Core 1000, BitFenix Merc Alpha or Beta, etc.?
That Thermaltake TR2 model needs to die. Nobody should be purchasing that junk. I think the listings you copied look like they're from newegg, but there aren't any good deals there right now. Cheapest decent thing is Antec Neo Eco 520C (same price as 400C) at $45:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371030
Western Digital AV-GP is a bit of a higher-grade line than their consumer drives, but it's a slower model like the Caviar Greens (5400 rpm or similar), not really what you want to use for a main drive. Any reasonably-modern 7200 rpm drive should be better.
You can consider using a Pentium G850 instead. The i3-3220 is only maybe some 20% faster in some things (maybe more like 50% in some rare others), but generally CPU speeds are not that important for most things. A G850 is pretty much as good as or better than any AMD processor for most games anyway, and it's some $50-60 less than the i3-3220. The extra speed would help for SC2 though.
On October 08 2012 11:55 Arisen wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hey guys, I would appreciate a breakdown of a new build. I don't know a ton about computers, really, so I'm hoping you guys can help me out.
Budget: 400-600. I'm planning on spending around 500, but am willing to go slightly up or down
Resolution: 1600x900
What Am I using it for: I play Starcraft Diablo, and WoW mainly, but wouldn't mind being able to play some newer titles (playing on the highest graphics settings isn't a priority for me, as long as I can run smoothly). Also, when I play certain games like Diablo or WoW, I want to be able to dual screen to watch netflix due to the grindy nature of those games.
Upgrade Cycle: Undetermined. As of now I'm not planning on streaming anything, but if I change my mind I might upgrade to a better Processor at some point, otherwise, fairly long
When: ASAP. I'm actually planning on Starting to order stuff tommorow
Overclocking?: No
OS needed?: Yes
SLI: no
Where?: Newegg most likely
Thanks all.
Considering build costs, OS cost, etc., you really may need to go on the high side of the range.
Would you rather have something that can stream, have something that won't need a graphics upgrade to play new games for a while, or have something closer to $500?
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On October 08 2012 13:57 Myrmidon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2012 11:55 Arisen wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hey guys, I would appreciate a breakdown of a new build. I don't know a ton about computers, really, so I'm hoping you guys can help me out.
Budget: 400-600. I'm planning on spending around 500, but am willing to go slightly up or down
Resolution: 1600x900
What Am I using it for: I play Starcraft Diablo, and WoW mainly, but wouldn't mind being able to play some newer titles (playing on the highest graphics settings isn't a priority for me, as long as I can run smoothly). Also, when I play certain games like Diablo or WoW, I want to be able to dual screen to watch netflix due to the grindy nature of those games.
Upgrade Cycle: Undetermined. As of now I'm not planning on streaming anything, but if I change my mind I might upgrade to a better Processor at some point, otherwise, fairly long
When: ASAP. I'm actually planning on Starting to order stuff tommorow
Overclocking?: No
OS needed?: Yes
SLI: no
Where?: Newegg most likely
Thanks all. Considering build costs, OS cost, etc., you really may need to go on the high side of the range. Would you rather have something that can stream, have something that won't need a graphics upgrade to play new games for a while, or have something closer to $500?
For now, I'm not really concerned with streaming or even great graphics. Like I said, I can upgrade if I do decide to stream or whatnot, and I'm not overly concerned with super graphics heavy games on the whole; I'm perfectly content with having my graphics settings to low for a newer game like borderlands 2 or something similar. I would rather pay less now and upgrade later so long as what I am playing now (wow, SC2, diablo) can work smoothly and be able to watch netflix on a second monitor (for diablo and wow, not sc2).
Thanks
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On October 07 2012 13:29 Medrea wrote:
Im getting redirected when I click on that link. Maybe paste the specs here?
its the specs i chose:
http://www.cyberpowersystem.co.uk/saving/show.aspx?id=490702
CPU: i7-3770
videocard: GTX 670
motherboard: Asus P8Z77-M Intel Z77 Chipset, Micro ATX Mainboard w/ 4 RAM slots, 7.1 HD Audio, GbLAN, SATA-III, 2x Gen2 PCIe x 16, 1x PCIe, 1 x PCI
RAM: 2x8 GB
HDD: 2 GB
no SSD
power supply: 650 watt
i probably don't wanna upgrade for another 15 years after i get this.
sorry for the late reply btw.
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On October 08 2012 18:23 QzYSc2 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2012 13:29 Medrea wrote:
Im getting redirected when I click on that link. Maybe paste the specs here? its the specs i chose: http://www.cyberpowersystem.co.uk/saving/show.aspx?id=490702CPU: i7-3770 videocard: GTX 670 motherboard: Asus P8Z77-M Intel Z77 Chipset, Micro ATX Mainboard w/ 4 RAM slots, 7.1 HD Audio, GbLAN, SATA-III, 2x Gen2 PCIe x 16, 1x PCIe, 1 x PCI RAM: 2x8 GB HDD: 2 GB no SSD power supply: 650 watt i probably don't wanna upgrade for another 15 years after i get this. sorry for the late reply btw.
Drop the i7-3770 and replace it with an i5-3570. For games, these will perform the same. Use the money you save on an SSD, because for things like booting up the pc, starting programs and opening files, no amount of CPU power is going to come close to the speed benefits the SSD offers over a regular harddisk.
Also, if you're not overclocking, you can go for a cheaper motherboard that doesn't have the Z77 chipset.
Finally, no pc will manage more than 3-5 years (depending on how high your requirements are) before not being able to smoothly run the latest games. Significant upgrades to a system you buy today will be available for the same (or less) money in 2 years. Buying a computer to be "future proof" is therefore somewhat silly. You're better of buying somewhat below the top level and using the money you save for an earlier upgrade down the road.
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On October 08 2012 08:57 JosephAM wrote:Other-It'd be cool if someone could point out a couple of redish cases (Can't be more than 20cm wide though) 
For reddish cases you should look to Cooler Master HAF series. I was just picking the case myself, they look very nice, very red (especially the 932 AMD edition), don't cost a fortune and get pretty good reviews overall. Those are 23cm wide though. From the same manufacturer Elite series come at <20cm but you should also consider if such case will be able to hold all of your hardware (if you have a big ass GPU like GTX 580 or not-so-tiny CPU fan you might be in trouble).
I presume that you have 21cm wide space in your desk for this purpose or something, if it's enclosed also make sure that you don't block any side/top fans and disrupt airflow inside your case.
I also think that AeroCool makes some cases with red LED and what not.
Edit: I've just received some great news. My boss is going to buy me some extra parts for my PC, which will allow me to get a slightly more powerful setup and some very decent extras. Could you guys double-check it for me? I've decided to give AMD a chance after 10 years of refusing to use it at all...
Motherboard: ASRock 970 EXTREME4
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 Quad Core 965 Black Edition
Cooling: be quiet! Dark Rock Advanced
RAM: GeIL 2x2 DDRIII 1333MHz CL-7
GPU: ASUS HD7870-DC2-2GD5
HDD: Seagate Barracuda, 3.5'', 500GB, SATA/600, 7200RPM, 16MB cache
PSU: be quiet! STRAIGHT POWER BQT E9-500W
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 Plus
CD/DVD: Lite-On Super AllWrite DVD+/-R 22x, SATA, bulk
Display: 19'' iiyama Prolite E1906S-B1
Keyboard: SteelSeries 6G V2
Mouse: SteelSeries Kinzu
Mousepad: SteelSeries QcK Mini
~$1375 for everything and I can finally stop looking at my shitty out-of-date peripherals lying around in the apartment.
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Any help with my build yet? I was hoping to start ordering stuff today, if anyone could give me a layout. Thanks.
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On October 09 2012 02:59 Manit0u wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 08 2012 08:57 JosephAM wrote:Other-It'd be cool if someone could point out a couple of redish cases (Can't be more than 20cm wide though) For reddish cases you should look to Cooler Master HAF series. I was just picking the case myself, they look very nice, very red (especially the 932 AMD edition), don't cost a fortune and get pretty good reviews overall. Those are 23cm wide though. From the same manufacturer Elite series come at <20cm but you should also consider if such case will be able to hold all of your hardware (if you have a big ass GPU like GTX 580 or not-so-tiny CPU fan you might be in trouble). I presume that you have 21cm wide space in your desk for this purpose or something, if it's enclosed also make sure that you don't block any side/top fans and disrupt airflow inside your case. I also think that AeroCool makes some cases with red LED and what not. Edit: I've just received some great news. My boss is going to buy me some extra parts for my PC, which will allow me to get a slightly more powerful setup and some very decent extras. Could you guys double-check it for me? I've decided to give AMD a chance after 10 years of refusing to use it at all... Motherboard: ASRock 970 EXTREME4 CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 Quad Core 965 Black Edition Cooling: be quiet! Dark Rock Advanced RAM: GeIL 2x2 DDRIII 1333MHz CL-7 GPU: ASUS HD7870-DC2-2GD5 HDD: Seagate Barracuda, 3.5'', 500GB, SATA/600, 7200RPM, 16MB cache PSU: be quiet! STRAIGHT POWER BQT E9-500W Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 Plus CD/DVD: Lite-On Super AllWrite DVD+/-R 22x, SATA, bulk Display: 19'' iiyama Prolite E1906S-B1 Keyboard: SteelSeries 6G V2 Mouse: SteelSeries Kinzu Mousepad: SteelSeries QcK Mini ~$1375 for everything and I can finally stop looking at my shitty out-of-date peripherals lying around in the apartment.
This is the wrong time to be giving AMD a chance for a main desktop build (laptop or HTPC? okay), but realistically, CPU performance is not a big deal for most things. Then again, if CPU performance is not a concern, what's a 970 Extreme4 and the Dark Rock Advanced doing in the build?
Usually 1600 MHz CL9 is better than 1333 MHz CL7, but I'm sure you could just run it at 1600 MHz CL9 and it would work—not like any of that makes any non-trivial difference.
You sure you don't want an SSD?
What's with the monitor?
On October 09 2012 03:19 Arisen wrote:
Any help with my build yet? I was hoping to start ordering stuff today, if anyone could give me a layout. Thanks.
Wait a sec, will edit.
edit: Sandy Bridge? Sure, given the price, I guess...
Core i3-2120 - $110
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=59192&promoid=1061
Gigabyte GA-H61M-S2PV - $50
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=67556&promoid=1381
Powercolor HD 7750 - $94
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=70112&promoid=1381
2x Kingston 2GB DDR3 RAM - 2x $8
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=61274&promoid=1381
Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 500GB - $53
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=63468&promoid=1387
Lite-on CD / DVD burner - $16
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=45244&promoid=1381
Antec Neo Eco 450C - $36 [no power cord; any old one is usable]
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=60491&promoid=1061
+ Show Spoiler [alternative with power cord, same qual…] +
Cooler Master Elite 343 - $28
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=63283&promoid=1381
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit OEM - $80
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=45271&promoid=1381
edit2: below is better but closer to $600, the non-"destitute" version of the above where I cheaped on everything while still providing decent performance, decent power supply
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On October 09 2012 03:19 Arisen wrote:
Any help with my build yet? I was hoping to start ordering stuff today, if anyone could give me a layout. Thanks.
Maybe something like this (mATX motherboard & case because I thought the case looked good):
i3-3220 - $120
Gigabyte B75m - $60
2x4gb Kingston ram - $35
Antec mini-p180 - $50 (haf 912 is a decent replacement if the antec is out of stock or you want full-sized)
Antec 450c PSU - $36
Hitachi 1TB HDD - $80
DVD burner - $16
Graphics card option 2: HIS 7770 ($120- $15 rebate)
Windows 7 - $80
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=75429&vpn=BX80637I33220&manufacture=Intel&promoid=1388
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128540
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820139984
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=51309&vpn=MiniP180White&manufacture=Antec&promoid=1381
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=60491&vpn=NEO-ECO450C&manufacture=Antec&promoid=1061
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145533
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=57659&vpn=IHAS224-06&manufacture=Liteon&promoid=1381
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=69558&vpn=AX7850 2GBD5-2DH&manufacture=PowerColor&promoid=1061
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=45271&vpn=GFC-02050&manufacture=Microsoft&promoid=1381
Tower + windows = $597
Blizzard games are, compared to many other PC games, really, really easy to run graphically. The 7770 should max SC2 and Diablo 3, and probably WoW. It's not going to max lots of other games, but at your resolution it should still run them at decent settings.
I was going to include an option for a build with a 7850, but then I remembered windows. So if this is too close to the top end of your price range, you could shave off a few $ here and there on case (-$13 for a more open, probably a little louder case in the Bit Fenix Merc Alpha) or a smaller HDD perhaps, but the above is what I'd go with in your situation.
Edit: The build above is the perfect way to get nearly the same performance but cutting every cost. It's quite impressive, actually. Also, I didn't know the Antec 450c didn't come with a power cord. Learn something new every day.
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I just posted this on Reddit looking for help, but a second opinion would be great from you guys here, especially for confirmation about whether my setup could stream SC2 comfortably. Thanks.
+ Show Spoiler +Hi, I'm going to build a new gaming PC. I'm from the UK and my Budget is £900. I don't need an OS but I am buying a keyboard, mouse, monitor and (very cheap) speakers. The PC will be for gaming and streaming. It needs to be able to run Starcraft 2 on max settings while streaming (I'm using part recommendations from this thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=309480) and good enough to run a game like Skyrim on high settings. This is what I've got so far. http://pcpartpicker.com/p/jJsASince US prices and UK prices are different, I've used http://www.overclockers.co.uk/ to get an estimate, this build comes to £885 but I think If I shopped around a bit I could knock a substantial amount off that. Also I think I might be buying parts that are too expensive for what I need (or parts that I won't be able to fully utilize) What I'm most worried about is the CPU, Cooler, Motherboard, Video Card and Power Supply. I'm not even sure all those parts will work together (and fit in my case) so some reassurance there would be nice. All the peripherals and the optical drive are not definite, I'm going to spend some more time deciding on those. But the ones in the build are around my price range. Except the monitor listed is probably a lot more expensive than what I'll actually buy. I couldn't find this one http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-158-SA&tool=3 on pcpartpicker. In any case I'm not set on that particular monitor at all. I definitely want a mechanical keyboard though so I am willing to spend £50-£100 on that. What I'm really looking for here is just general recommendations about what parts are worth spending a lot of money on and what aren't. Thanks.
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On October 09 2012 03:59 Myrmidon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2012 02:59 Manit0u wrote:
Edit: I've just received some great news. My boss is going to buy me some extra parts for my PC, which will allow me to get a slightly more powerful setup and some very decent extras. Could you guys double-check it for me? I've decided to give AMD a chance after 10 years of refusing to use it at all...
Motherboard: ASRock 970 EXTREME4
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 Quad Core 965 Black Edition
Cooling: be quiet! Dark Rock Advanced
RAM: GeIL 2x2 DDRIII 1333MHz CL-7
GPU: ASUS HD7870-DC2-2GD5
HDD: Seagate Barracuda, 3.5'', 500GB, SATA/600, 7200RPM, 16MB cache
PSU: be quiet! STRAIGHT POWER BQT E9-500W
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 Plus
CD/DVD: Lite-On Super AllWrite DVD+/-R 22x, SATA, bulk
Display: 19'' iiyama Prolite E1906S-B1
Keyboard: SteelSeries 6G V2
Mouse: SteelSeries Kinzu
Mousepad: SteelSeries QcK Mini
~$1375 for everything and I can finally stop looking at my shitty out-of-date peripherals lying around in the apartment. This is the wrong time to be giving AMD a chance for a main desktop build (laptop or HTPC? okay), but realistically, CPU performance is not a big deal for most things. Then again, if CPU performance is not a concern, what's a 970 Extreme4 and the Dark Rock Advanced doing in the build? Usually 1600 MHz CL9 is better than 1333 MHz CL7, but I'm sure you could just run it at 1600 MHz CL9 and it would work—not like any of that makes any non-trivial difference. You sure you don't want an SSD? What's with the monitor?
Extreme 4 and DRA are there in case Core i5 2500K doesn't get a heavy drop in price when I will have to upgrade (if I wouldn't go with AMD getting i3 and then changing it for i5 would seem somehow "wrong", I'd rather get a cheap and decent CPU now and upgrade to something really good later), I can then just OC this and maybe xfire another card there for increased performance (and I'm a lazy bastard so won't want to go and buy a CPU fan at a later date).
SSD's are pretty expensive here and for my current needs everything that's in this build should be sufficient (I'll mostly be playing older games and very few new ones, also doing some statistics but that's no biggie).
RAM is RAM, was cheap, seemed good and this mobo doesn't really support 1600MHz without overclocking and that's something I might do in the future if I'm strapped for cash and won't be able to upgrade. Could you perhaps provide more detail on 1600 CL9 vs 1333 CL7? Would the difference be really noticeable?
Edit: Read up on it and found 1600 CL8, this should do fine. I was also considering 3x2GB Corsair Dominator 1600 CL7 but I'm not sure if they go well with Phenom II as it's a setup specifically designed for i7 with X58 mobo.
What's wrong with the monitor? 4:3 doesn't bother me and since I'll be running some older games too this might come in handy (as some of them don't handle widescreen all too well, WC3 could be an example here).
Would this one be better? 21,5" iiyama Prolite E2273HDSB1, LED, Full HD, 5ms, DVI, HDMI
Looks good and is still on the budget side of things.
Damn I miss the CRT days 
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Since you guys pretty much convinced me to get the 7950, which card is the best 7950 if my budget is between 270-320?
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