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skyR

Canada13817 Posts

November 29 2010 21:07 GMT

#2301

@machgr

Harddrives don't need SATA 6gb/s. They barely reach the limits of SATA 3gb/s. Only SSDs will benefit from SATA 6gb/s

@-Solitaire-

If you use add-ons, its best to stick with 32-bit office as most won't work in 64-bit. 90GB should be enough for all of those programs you listed. Just remember to move the browser cache to ram or another HDD, same with temp folders, and document folders.

-Solitaire-

United States30 Posts

November 29 2010 21:25 GMT

#2302

On November 30 2010 06:07 skyR wrote:
@-Solitaire-

If you use add-ons, its best to stick with 32-bit office as most won't work in 64-bit. 90GB should be enough for all of those programs you listed. Just remember to move the browser cache to ram or another HDD, same with temp folders, and document folders.

Yeah plan on reading up ALOT on how to use the SSD correctly when it comes to temp folders and cache and such since im a newbie with it.

Also, I'll probably stick with 32bit Office since i dont do any heavy number crunching anymore in excel.

Thanks again.

maxchgr

United States122 Posts

November 29 2010 22:17 GMT

#2303

@skyR
Okay I ordered http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128412 ,
although now I'm looking through older posts and realized Myrmidon had suggested http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131634 which would have saved me like $40 it seems...

Wish it was possible to cancel the order cause I only just did it.

Thanks skyR, a176, Myrmidon, zzaaxxsscd, Disregard, anyone else I forgot that helped me.

Edit:
Actually, do you think I should buy that one that Myrmidon suggested? I suppose I can just return the GIGABYTE after I receive it..? Though it might cost to ship it back anyway :\

Ethelis

United States2400 Posts

November 30 2010 00:12 GMT

#2304

On November 26 2010 11:24 Myrmidon wrote:
~~Time to service the queue FIFO lol...will update.~~ edit: done, unless I missed someone x_x

@xMiragex: + Show Spoiler +

Im going to place my order today except i need a different card (or get it from another site). What should i get instead? (or where can i get that card from) I prefer to upgrade than to downgrade unless recommended otherwise.

edit: nevermind

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6577362&Sku=A455-0466&SRCCODE=GOOAPI59012024&TId=3&SF=1

Myrmidon

United States9452 Posts

November 30 2010 01:12 GMT

#2305

Get a different generic optical drive as that one is sold out. Pretty much any DVD drive with a SATA interface should do. The SSD is no longer on sale, so it's back up $70 compared to before, so if you're looking for an SSD, you might want to find another deal. The Seasonic S12II Bronze 520W is finally up in price a little bit. The Corsair 500CX for $45 ($10 MIR) looks like a better value now. The 500CX still has plenty more power than you need even if you're overclocking, and even though it is overrated (i.e. the wattage rating is higher than it should be). It apparently is a CWT ~~DSG~~ DSA design--the 430W one I think--so it's still way better than no-name brands.

Most any GTX 460 1GB GPU would be equivalent. There was nothing special about the original choice, other than the price tag it was at earlier and the fact that Asus is a decent brand name in general. The MSI Cyclone is a popular, relatively cool and low-noise model. It dumps most all the heat into the case, but that's fine since you're getting a HAF 912 and are not going with multiple of them.

Ethelis

United States2400 Posts

November 30 2010 01:22 GMT

#2306

With the price shifts then, is there anything i should swap? Im not getting the SSD, the extra fan, nor an optical drive since i have one i can re-use (unless i should buy one).

edit: i've only done the changes you said, the psu and the graphics card

deconduo

Ireland4122 Posts

November 30 2010 01:24 GMT

#2307

Corsair have dropped the ball a bit with the CX500 and CX430, much lower standard than their other stuff.

Myrmidon

United States9452 Posts

November 30 2010 01:43 GMT

#2308

I think the consensus by those in the know (i.e. not me!) is that the new Corsair CX "builder" series: 430W, 500W, and 600W are still decent. The issue is that the labeled wattage is based on 30 Celsius, where most decent PSUs are rated at 40 Celsius. The highest-end PSUs tend to be rated at 50 Celsius. Max output power possible goes down as temperature increases, but a nominal 500W unit that is really more like a 400W or whatever unit still has comfortably enough power for your build.

It's just that the new CX and GS lines are worse than Corsair's previous offerings, so people's expectations were high.

I don't think anything else needs to be swapped, but maybe somebody else should check on it.

Ethelis

United States2400 Posts

November 30 2010 02:40 GMT

#2309

I just placed the order, i didn't change the psu to the CX500, Hopefully all goes well. Thanks for your help!

Silentness

United States2821 Posts

November 30 2010 04:16 GMT

#2310

So if I wanted to try and overclock a i5-760 with GTX 460 1 GB to about 4 GHZ stable. What would be the best Corsair PSU?

skyR

Canada13817 Posts

November 30 2010 05:01 GMT

#2311

On November 30 2010 13:16 Silentness wrote:
So if I wanted to try and overclock a i5-760 with GTX 460 1 GB to about 4 GHZ stable. What would be the best Corsair PSU?

Seasonic X series or Corsair AX series.

FragKrag

United States11567 Posts

November 30 2010 05:56 GMT

#2312

Corsair HX or TX (or GS) if you can get them are the best.

Consider the new Antec High Current Gamer models and the Silverstone Strider models as well.

Myrmidon

United States9452 Posts

November 30 2010 06:11 GMT

#2313

Wouldn't you just be pretty much looking for really good +12V ripple and then regulation at about the wattage you'd pull? I think the AX1200 is the best unit in that regard? See the AC waveform of the +12V output at 238W:
+ Show Spoiler [scope shot] +

lol ripple?

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story3&reid=189

Given a realistic budget, the answer may change somewhat.

There are also other things to worry about, of course, like the CPU sample itself, the mobo voltage regulation (probably as important or more as the PSU in this regard, for similar reasons), and cooling.

Silentness

United States2821 Posts

November 30 2010 09:10 GMT

#2314

On November 30 2010 15:11 Myrmidon wrote:
Wouldn't you just be pretty much looking for really good +12V ripple and then regulation at about the wattage you'd pull? I think the AX1200 is the best unit in that regard? See the AC waveform of the +12V output at 238W:
+ Show Spoiler [scope shot] +

lol ripple?

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story3&reid=189

Given a realistic budget, the answer may change somewhat.

haha hell nah I don't need an AX1200...

I think this Corsair PSU should be fine for overclocking a GTX 460/i5 760 combo though.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139012&cm_re=Corsair_HX-_-17-139-012-_-Product

distant_voice

Germany2521 Posts

November 30 2010 12:51 GMT

#2315

nvm, I'm stupid
+ Show Spoiler [original post] +

I've been thinking. Maybe I shouldn't buy a whole new PC, maybe I can still upgrade my old one and be able to play starcraft.

I currently have a 939-socket mobo with a single core Athlon 64 3800+ and an Nvidia 7600Gt.

Would I be able to run Starcraft if I upgraded to an Opteron 170 to 185 (those seem to be the fastest 939 socket cpus) and a 8800GT?

edit: I dug up some benchmarks. Whatever the Passmark numbers are worth, it looks like I can double the speed of my computer with these two upgrades.

Opteron - Passmark
185 - 1462
180 - 1308
175 - 1138
170 - 1103
Athlon 64 3800 - 612

Geforce - Passmark
7600 GT - 396
8800GT - 944

maxchgr

United States122 Posts

November 30 2010 15:48 GMT

#2316

On November 30 2010 07:17 maxchgr wrote:
@skyR
Okay I ordered http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128412 ,
although now I'm looking through older posts and realized Myrmidon had suggested http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131634 which would have saved me like $40 it seems...

It seems NewEgg lets you cancel orders. Should I get that cheaper one Myrmidon suggested or stick with the one I ordered? If the one I ordered is way better or something, that's fine I'll stick with it, but if it's like the same thing, I'd rather get the $40 cheaper one.

nyxnyxnyx

Indonesia2978 Posts

November 30 2010 16:58 GMT

#2317

Hey guys, first time posting in this thread.

Have some spare cash and with Christmas round the corner, I thought I'd treat myself to a little something and upgrade my PC.

I bought the PC 3 years ago, Nov 2007. I'm looking to spend about $300 on it, but I'm not sure which part is it I should be upgrading to give it the boost it needs.

Specs are:

Intel Quad Core Q6600 2.4ghz 1066mhz FSB/8MB L2 Shared

Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3 Intel P35 DDR2/SATAII/PCI-E/Audio/GBE

Kingston 5300/667 1GB DDR2 (CL5) x 2

Leadtek PX8800GTS 640MB DDR3 PCI-E

Coolermaster 650W Extreme Power PSU 12CM Fan

I run Windows 7 32-bit. I can change to 64-bit if needed.

Thanks in advance!

FragKrag

United States11567 Posts

November 30 2010 18:48 GMT

#2318

Just going to tell you not to upgrade anything.

What boost do you really 'need'?

KOFgokuon

United States14912 Posts

November 30 2010 18:55 GMT

#2319

If you really want to upgrade, then just buy an HSF and overclock some
MAYBE get a new gpu....but even that's questionable where your bottleneck would end up

Myrmidon

United States9452 Posts

November 30 2010 22:19 GMT

#2320

Agreed, 8800GTS and Q6600 are both still pretty decent. ~~The biggest issue may be just only having 1 GB of RAM, but I don't think you want to buy any more DDR2 RAM now that all systems use DDR3.~~ edit: I'm blind and can't read "x 2"

AMD's current processors are not any faster than the Q6600, clock-for-clock (see here). A Core i5-760 or whatever would not be a huge upgrade either. Anyway, if you were to upgrade to a higher-performing quad core CPU, you would need to spend about $200 on a CPU, $100 on a motherboard, and $70 on a set of 2x2 GB DDR3 RAM, which is over budget. Intel's next-generation CPUs should be a little better though, so maybe you could wait until January for that.

If you really are looking to upgrade something, I'd get a 120GB (or whatever capacity) SSD to be honest. Most of the drives with the SandForce SF-1200 controller are good all around.

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