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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-29 21:15:52
November 29 2010 21:07 GMT
#2301
@machgr

Harddrives don't need SATA 6gb/s. They barely reach the limits of SATA 3gb/s. Only SSDs will benefit from SATA 6gb/s

@-Solitaire-

If you use add-ons, its best to stick with 32-bit office as most won't work in 64-bit. 90GB should be enough for all of those programs you listed. Just remember to move the browser cache to ram or another HDD, same with temp folders, and document folders.
-Solitaire-
Profile Joined October 2010
United States30 Posts
November 29 2010 21:25 GMT
#2302
On November 30 2010 06:07 skyR wrote:
@-Solitaire-

If you use add-ons, its best to stick with 32-bit office as most won't work in 64-bit. 90GB should be enough for all of those programs you listed. Just remember to move the browser cache to ram or another HDD, same with temp folders, and document folders.


Yeah plan on reading up ALOT on how to use the SSD correctly when it comes to temp folders and cache and such since im a newbie with it.

Also, I'll probably stick with 32bit Office since i dont do any heavy number crunching anymore in excel.

Thanks again.

maxchgr
Profile Joined July 2006
United States122 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-29 23:18:39
November 29 2010 22:17 GMT
#2303
@skyR
Okay I ordered http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128412 ,
although now I'm looking through older posts and realized Myrmidon had suggested http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131634 which would have saved me like $40 it seems... Wish it was possible to cancel the order cause I only just did it.

Thanks skyR, a176, Myrmidon, zzaaxxsscd, Disregard, anyone else I forgot that helped me.

Edit:
Actually, do you think I should buy that one that Myrmidon suggested? I suppose I can just return the GIGABYTE after I receive it..? Though it might cost to ship it back anyway :\
Ethelis
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2397 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-30 01:02:18
November 30 2010 00:12 GMT
#2304
On November 26 2010 11:24 Myrmidon wrote:
Time to service the queue FIFO lol...will update. edit: done, unless I missed someone x_x

@xMiragex: + Show Spoiler +
Core i5-760 and Asus P55 USB3 mobo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.552987

GTX 460 1GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121391

G.Skill 2x2 GB DDR3 1600 RAM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231277

Cooler Master HAF 212 and Samsung Spinpoint F3 1GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.543371

Generic Samsung optical drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151220

Seasonic S12IIB 520W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151094

Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116754

G.Skill Phoenix Pro 120GB SSD
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231378

Cooler Master Hyper 212+
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065

If you want to save money, you can ditch the SSD; however, that's a great price for a high-end 120GB SSD. The Hyper 212+ is only if you want to overclock. Otherwise, it's unnecessary.




Im going to place my order today except i need a different card (or get it from another site). What should i get instead? (or where can i get that card from) I prefer to upgrade than to downgrade unless recommended otherwise.

edit: nevermind

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6577362&Sku=A455-0466&SRCCODE=GOOAPI59012024&TId=3&SF=1
Disabled gamer - Diamond 3 (LoL) D+ Rank scrublord on BW. Bisu doesnt need DTs, He uses probes. just ask Flash.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-30 01:35:16
November 30 2010 01:12 GMT
#2305
Get a different generic optical drive as that one is sold out. Pretty much any DVD drive with a SATA interface should do. The SSD is no longer on sale, so it's back up $70 compared to before, so if you're looking for an SSD, you might want to find another deal. The Seasonic S12II Bronze 520W is finally up in price a little bit. The Corsair 500CX for $45 ($10 MIR) looks like a better value now. The 500CX still has plenty more power than you need even if you're overclocking, and even though it is overrated (i.e. the wattage rating is higher than it should be). It apparently is a CWT DSG DSA design--the 430W one I think--so it's still way better than no-name brands.

Most any GTX 460 1GB GPU would be equivalent. There was nothing special about the original choice, other than the price tag it was at earlier and the fact that Asus is a decent brand name in general. The MSI Cyclone is a popular, relatively cool and low-noise model. It dumps most all the heat into the case, but that's fine since you're getting a HAF 912 and are not going with multiple of them.
Ethelis
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2397 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-30 01:36:54
November 30 2010 01:22 GMT
#2306
With the price shifts then, is there anything i should swap? Im not getting the SSD, the extra fan, nor an optical drive since i have one i can re-use (unless i should buy one).

edit: i've only done the changes you said, the psu and the graphics card
Disabled gamer - Diamond 3 (LoL) D+ Rank scrublord on BW. Bisu doesnt need DTs, He uses probes. just ask Flash.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
November 30 2010 01:24 GMT
#2307
Corsair have dropped the ball a bit with the CX500 and CX430, much lower standard than their other stuff.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
November 30 2010 01:43 GMT
#2308
I think the consensus by those in the know (i.e. not me!) is that the new Corsair CX "builder" series: 430W, 500W, and 600W are still decent. The issue is that the labeled wattage is based on 30 Celsius, where most decent PSUs are rated at 40 Celsius. The highest-end PSUs tend to be rated at 50 Celsius. Max output power possible goes down as temperature increases, but a nominal 500W unit that is really more like a 400W or whatever unit still has comfortably enough power for your build.

It's just that the new CX and GS lines are worse than Corsair's previous offerings, so people's expectations were high.

I don't think anything else needs to be swapped, but maybe somebody else should check on it.
Ethelis
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2397 Posts
November 30 2010 02:40 GMT
#2309
I just placed the order, i didn't change the psu to the CX500, Hopefully all goes well. Thanks for your help!
Disabled gamer - Diamond 3 (LoL) D+ Rank scrublord on BW. Bisu doesnt need DTs, He uses probes. just ask Flash.
Silentness
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2821 Posts
November 30 2010 04:16 GMT
#2310
So if I wanted to try and overclock a i5-760 with GTX 460 1 GB to about 4 GHZ stable. What would be the best Corsair PSU?
GL HF... YOLO..lololollol.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
November 30 2010 05:01 GMT
#2311
On November 30 2010 13:16 Silentness wrote:
So if I wanted to try and overclock a i5-760 with GTX 460 1 GB to about 4 GHZ stable. What would be the best Corsair PSU?


Seasonic X series or Corsair AX series.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11554 Posts
November 30 2010 05:56 GMT
#2312
Corsair HX or TX (or GS) if you can get them are the best.

Consider the new Antec High Current Gamer models and the Silverstone Strider models as well.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-30 06:12:41
November 30 2010 06:11 GMT
#2313
Wouldn't you just be pretty much looking for really good +12V ripple and then regulation at about the wattage you'd pull? I think the AX1200 is the best unit in that regard? See the AC waveform of the +12V output at 238W:
+ Show Spoiler [scope shot] +
[image loading]

lol ripple?

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story3&reid=189

Given a realistic budget, the answer may change somewhat.

There are also other things to worry about, of course, like the CPU sample itself, the mobo voltage regulation (probably as important or more as the PSU in this regard, for similar reasons), and cooling.
Silentness
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2821 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-30 09:10:33
November 30 2010 09:10 GMT
#2314
On November 30 2010 15:11 Myrmidon wrote:
Wouldn't you just be pretty much looking for really good +12V ripple and then regulation at about the wattage you'd pull? I think the AX1200 is the best unit in that regard? See the AC waveform of the +12V output at 238W:
+ Show Spoiler [scope shot] +
[image loading]

lol ripple?

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story3&reid=189

Given a realistic budget, the answer may change somewhat.

There are also other things to worry about, of course, like the CPU sample itself, the mobo voltage regulation (probably as important or more as the PSU in this regard, for similar reasons), and cooling.


haha hell nah I don't need an AX1200...

I think this Corsair PSU should be fine for overclocking a GTX 460/i5 760 combo though.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139012&cm_re=Corsair_HX-_-17-139-012-_-Product
GL HF... YOLO..lololollol.
distant_voice
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Germany2521 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-30 14:07:21
November 30 2010 12:51 GMT
#2315
nvm, I'm stupid
+ Show Spoiler [original post] +
I've been thinking. Maybe I shouldn't buy a whole new PC, maybe I can still upgrade my old one and be able to play starcraft.

I currently have a 939-socket mobo with a single core Athlon 64 3800+ and an Nvidia 7600Gt.

Would I be able to run Starcraft if I upgraded to an Opteron 170 to 185 (those seem to be the fastest 939 socket cpus) and a 8800GT?

edit: I dug up some benchmarks. Whatever the Passmark numbers are worth, it looks like I can double the speed of my computer with these two upgrades.

Opteron - Passmark

185 - 1462
180 - 1308
175 - 1138
170 - 1103
Athlon 64 3800 - 612

Geforce - Passmark
7600 GT - 396
8800GT - 944
This is my truth, tell me yours!
maxchgr
Profile Joined July 2006
United States122 Posts
November 30 2010 15:48 GMT
#2316
On November 30 2010 07:17 maxchgr wrote:
@skyR
Okay I ordered http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128412 ,
although now I'm looking through older posts and realized Myrmidon had suggested http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131634 which would have saved me like $40 it seems... Wish it was possible to cancel the order cause I only just did it.

Thanks skyR, a176, Myrmidon, zzaaxxsscd, Disregard, anyone else I forgot that helped me.

Edit:
Actually, do you think I should buy that one that Myrmidon suggested? I suppose I can just return the GIGABYTE after I receive it..? Though it might cost to ship it back anyway :\


It seems NewEgg lets you cancel orders. Should I get that cheaper one Myrmidon suggested or stick with the one I ordered? If the one I ordered is way better or something, that's fine I'll stick with it, but if it's like the same thing, I'd rather get the $40 cheaper one.
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
November 30 2010 16:58 GMT
#2317
Hey guys, first time posting in this thread.

Have some spare cash and with Christmas round the corner, I thought I'd treat myself to a little something and upgrade my PC.

I bought the PC 3 years ago, Nov 2007. I'm looking to spend about $300 on it, but I'm not sure which part is it I should be upgrading to give it the boost it needs.

Specs are:

Intel Quad Core Q6600 2.4ghz 1066mhz FSB/8MB L2 Shared

Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3 Intel P35 DDR2/SATAII/PCI-E/Audio/GBE

Kingston 5300/667 1GB DDR2 (CL5) x 2

Leadtek PX8800GTS 640MB DDR3 PCI-E

Coolermaster 650W Extreme Power PSU 12CM Fan

I run Windows 7 32-bit. I can change to 64-bit if needed.

Thanks in advance!





cool beans
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11554 Posts
November 30 2010 18:48 GMT
#2318
Just going to tell you not to upgrade anything.

What boost do you really 'need'?
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14900 Posts
November 30 2010 18:55 GMT
#2319
If you really want to upgrade, then just buy an HSF and overclock some
MAYBE get a new gpu....but even that's questionable where your bottleneck would end up
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-01 00:04:19
November 30 2010 22:19 GMT
#2320
Agreed, 8800GTS and Q6600 are both still pretty decent. The biggest issue may be just only having 1 GB of RAM, but I don't think you want to buy any more DDR2 RAM now that all systems use DDR3. edit: I'm blind and can't read "x 2"

AMD's current processors are not any faster than the Q6600, clock-for-clock (see here). A Core i5-760 or whatever would not be a huge upgrade either. Anyway, if you were to upgrade to a higher-performing quad core CPU, you would need to spend about $200 on a CPU, $100 on a motherboard, and $70 on a set of 2x2 GB DDR3 RAM, which is over budget. Intel's next-generation CPUs should be a little better though, so maybe you could wait until January for that.

If you really are looking to upgrade something, I'd get a 120GB (or whatever capacity) SSD to be honest. Most of the drives with the SandForce SF-1200 controller are good all around.
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