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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14912 Posts
November 30 2010 23:03 GMT
#2321
he has 2x1gb of ram
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
December 01 2010 01:33 GMT
#2322
I was thinking my bottleneck would be RAM / HDD. Any opinions?
cool beans
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
December 01 2010 01:58 GMT
#2323
In your case, the bottleneck could easily be your CPU or your GPU. 8800GTS was a pretty good card, and the CPU is decent as well. Just not ultra material.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
maxchgr
Profile Joined July 2006
United States122 Posts
December 01 2010 03:21 GMT
#2324
This thread is so good ^_^
pyaar
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States423 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-01 04:16:28
December 01 2010 04:07 GMT
#2325
Hi,

I'm building a new computer from the ground up having used the one I got right now for ~3 years. I pulled this config out of thin air in an hour or so. I'm still a complete hardware chobo--I've only replaced a GPU, a power supply and switched a couple sticks of RAM before--so I'd be grateful for some pointers. I want this computer to last me at least another 2-3 years for gaming. I don't do anything crazy like Crysis; I just want to be able to run mainstream games at very high settings.

Case: Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

Power Supply: Corsair CMPSU-750HX 750-Watt
-perhaps more than I need?

CPU: Core i7 950 3.06GHz 8M L3 Cache LGA1366

Heatsink: Corsair Cooling Hydro Series H50
-do I even need this if I'm not OCing? I'm guessing no, but learning how to OC is something I'd like to do

Mobo: ASUS LGA 1366 Intel X58 Rampage III Formula
-I'm thinking this is a bit more than I need.

Memory: CORSAIR DOMINATOR 6GB (3 x 2GB)
-I'm pretty sure I can downgrade this. I've heard that >4GB is a waste for almost everyone, and I dunno if I'm even going to be OCing my RAM.

GPU: EVGA GTX 470
-is this the right choice given what I want of my machine (I'm going to recycle my 1650x1050 monitor probably)? also, would I be fine with this card somewhere down the line if I wanted to get NVIDIA 3D going with a 1680x1050? (1900x1200 just seems too huge for me).

HDD: Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 ST31000528AS 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB

DVD: Lite-On LightScribe 24X SATA

OS: Windows 7 64-bit OEM

nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
December 01 2010 04:11 GMT
#2326
On December 01 2010 10:58 FragKrag wrote:
In your case, the bottleneck could easily be your CPU or your GPU. 8800GTS was a pretty good card, and the CPU is decent as well. Just not ultra material.


I don't have any issues with graphics. The games I play are pretty low-requirement. If my CPU's good too, then this probably means I shouldn't change anything? :p How about an SSD, it's so tempting and I've heard lotsa good stuff about them lol.
cool beans
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
December 01 2010 05:04 GMT
#2327
@petergibbons: At a quick look, I think you can save some money on that easily. Most games don't use that many processor cores, so they don't benefit much (usually not at all for a quad core) from hyper-threading, so an i5 is as good as an i7 for your purposes. Triple-channel memory is likewise not important. If you're not sure about overclocking, maybe a decent budget cooler is in order, rather than something like a H50. Anyhow, if you're spending this much already, you might as well get an SSD too, but I didn't list one.

There may be some better deals, but I think this works better:

+ Show Spoiler [quick list of parts] +
Core i5-760 and
Asus P55 USB3 mobo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.552987

EVGA GTX 470
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130550

Asus CD/DVD burner/drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204

Seagate 7200.12 1TB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148433

Corsair 2x2 GB DDR3 1600 RAM and
Cooler Master 690ii Advanced
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.549143

Antec TruePower New 650W (650W is way overkill too, but the $70 price for the performance is good)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371021

Cooler Master Hyper 212+
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065
pyaar
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States423 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-01 20:48:19
December 01 2010 20:46 GMT
#2328
On December 01 2010 14:04 Myrmidon wrote:
@petergibbons: At a quick look, I think you can save some money on that easily. Most games don't use that many processor cores, so they don't benefit much (usually not at all for a quad core) from hyper-threading, so an i5 is as good as an i7 for your purposes. Triple-channel memory is likewise not important. If you're not sure about overclocking, maybe a decent budget cooler is in order, rather than something like a H50. Anyhow, if you're spending this much already, you might as well get an SSD too, but I didn't list one.

There may be some better deals, but I think this works better:

+ Show Spoiler [quick list of parts] +
Core i5-760 and
Asus P55 USB3 mobo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.552987

EVGA GTX 470
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130550

Asus CD/DVD burner/drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204

Seagate 7200.12 1TB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148433

Corsair 2x2 GB DDR3 1600 RAM and
Cooler Master 690ii Advanced
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.549143

Antec TruePower New 650W (650W is way overkill too, but the $70 price for the performance is good)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371021

Cooler Master Hyper 212+
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065


Thanks a lot for the help. I knew I had a lot of superfluous crap I could cut. that brings it down quite a bit!

My last question is about buying an OS. I reformatted my HD a while ago on my current machine, which was running Vista 64 OEM. I still had the key stickered on top of the tower and everything, but I couldn't find a copy of Vista 64 OEM to reinstall it, so I had to use some "unorthodox" methods to reinstall Vista on my machine, which I really had no qualms with since it was pretty much the same thing and I wasn't "gaining" anything extra.

I'm pretty sure that because of this I wouldn't be able to buy an upgrade, and $200 is pretty steep for Windows 7 Home Premium. The OEM version, though, is sold for $100. What's the significant difference between OEM and regular retail? I've read that it does mean that you can only use one mobo with it and I've also read the exact opposite, so I'm a bit confused.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
December 01 2010 21:13 GMT
#2329
OEM is one time activation. Meant for system builders. Once you install it on a computer, you'll be able to reinstall on that same computer if necessary. If you change hardware or try to install it on another computer, it'll say "Please call Microsoft to activate" or something like that. Most people abuse this and use the OEM key for multiple builds but its only meant to be used for one build.

Retail, its yours. You can install it as many times as you want on as many computers as you want without having to call Microsoft to activate it each time.
pyaar
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States423 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-01 22:11:34
December 01 2010 22:05 GMT
#2330
On December 02 2010 06:13 skyR wrote:
OEM is one time activation. Meant for system builders. Once you install it on a computer, you'll be able to reinstall on that same computer if necessary. If you change hardware or try to install it on another computer, it'll say "Please call Microsoft to activate" or something like that. Most people abuse this and use the OEM key for multiple builds but its only meant to be used for one build.

Retail, its yours. You can install it as many times as you want on as many computers as you want without having to call Microsoft to activate it each time.


Mm, I see. Thanks. Looks like OEM's the way to go, then, since I don't really plan on shifting around hardware too much after I get this built.

edit: i'm guessing they don't rigorously enforce their "system builder" license? i've heard that the license doesn't cover average joes assembling their own machines.
maxchgr
Profile Joined July 2006
United States122 Posts
December 02 2010 01:29 GMT
#2331
I have received some parts of my computer - still waiting for the mobo and RAM.
I have a concern about the GTX 460 and the PSU I bought. On the GTX 460 box, it says "this graphics card requires two 6-pin PCI Express power connectors or four available hard disk power connectors."

The PSU seems to only have 1 PCI-Express 6 pin connectors according to the box (?). This is the stuff on the box under connectors:

Connectors:
M/B (24/20) Pin Connector x 1
EPS12V / ATX12V (8 / 4) Pin Connector x1
EPS12V 8 Pin Connector x1
PCI-E 6 Pin Connector x 1
PCI-E (8 / 6) Pin Connector x 1
Peripheral (HDD) 4 Pin Connector x 6
SATA x 6
Floppy (4P) x 2

Will I have a problem?
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14912 Posts
December 02 2010 01:31 GMT
#2332
No, because the PCI-E (8/6) connector can function as a PCI-E 6 connector as well
maxchgr
Profile Joined July 2006
United States122 Posts
December 02 2010 01:34 GMT
#2333


Thank you
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
December 02 2010 01:35 GMT
#2334
@petergibbons: btw, it looks like a lot of those deals I quoted you that were hanging over from around Black Friday are gone. The TruePower New is at the normal price, and the combos are no longer available. Are you going to be looking for a new list, or did you order already?
maxchgr
Profile Joined July 2006
United States122 Posts
December 02 2010 01:44 GMT
#2335
Also, the GPU says it requires 450W or greater Power Supply and my Power Supply is 520W but does it leave enough power left over for all the other stuff? Or does it not work that way? I should probably stop worrying right?
pyaar
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States423 Posts
December 02 2010 01:55 GMT
#2336
On December 02 2010 10:35 Myrmidon wrote:
@petergibbons: btw, it looks like a lot of those deals I quoted you that were hanging over from around Black Friday are gone. The TruePower New is at the normal price, and the combos are no longer available. Are you going to be looking for a new list, or did you order already?


I put my new build in a spreadsheet: http://bit.ly/gnmDMi

I think I'm going to put even a bit more into it since this is probably going to last me well into the future, at least 4 years. I would need better RAM though, right?
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-02 02:23:58
December 02 2010 02:02 GMT
#2337
On December 02 2010 10:44 maxchgr wrote:
Also, the GPU says it requires 450W or greater Power Supply and my Power Supply is 520W but does it leave enough power left over for all the other stuff? Or does it not work that way? I should probably stop worrying right?


GTX 460 takes in the ballpark of 160W at full load. The recommendation of 450W is a conservative guess, assuming you have a full system of other decent components, and also taking into account that your hypothetical 450W PSU might be crappy. Obviously they don't know what processor you have and if you're overclocking, or how many hard drives etc. you are running. With a pretty high-quality 520W PSU, you're well in overkill range--don't worry.

edit:
On December 02 2010 10:55 petergibbons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2010 10:35 Myrmidon wrote:
@petergibbons: btw, it looks like a lot of those deals I quoted you that were hanging over from around Black Friday are gone. The TruePower New is at the normal price, and the combos are no longer available. Are you going to be looking for a new list, or did you order already?


I put my new build in a spreadsheet: http://bit.ly/gnmDMi

I think I'm going to put even a bit more into it since this is probably going to last me well into the future, at least 4 years. I would need better RAM though, right?


Sure, that works. For the record, I'm not much of a fan of future-proofing through getting high-end current components. Upgrading more frequently with bang-for-buck options will give you better performance on average for less money over time. (Of course, upgrading may be considered a hassle, and time is money...) Better things are always on the horizon, but in a little over a month, there's already going to be a $200 CPU (with a $120 mobo or so) that is faster in most tasks than the i7-950 system.

More specifically about the new build: what programs were you going to run again? With a motherboard like that, I hope you have plans for exotic high-end overclocking and/or at least two GPUs, if not three. By the way, with an X58 system, get three (six) sticks of RAM to utilize all three memory channels.

I'm still convinced that most users would feel much more of a performance boost from an i5-7xx system with an SSD over an i7-9xx system. Do you want a 10-30% increase (or so, depends on what you're running) in CPU compute performance, or a 10000% increase in random access speed from disk?
pyaar
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States423 Posts
December 02 2010 02:47 GMT
#2338
Sure, that works. For the record, I'm not much of a fan of future-proofing through getting high-end current components. Upgrading more frequently with bang-for-buck options will give you better performance on average for less money over time. (Of course, upgrading may be considered a hassle, and time is money...) Better things are always on the horizon, but in a little over a month, there's already going to be a $200 CPU (with a $120 mobo or so) that is faster in most tasks than the i7-950 system.


yeah that's true, but I just hate messing with hardware and want to stick to something for a huuuge amount of time. I know a guy who gets a new desktop every few months, but that's just not me, heh.

More specifically about the new build: what programs were you going to run again? With a motherboard like that, I hope you have plans for exotic high-end overclocking and/or at least two GPUs, if not three. By the way, with an X58 system, get three (six) sticks of RAM to utilize all three memory channels.


actually I was planning on only having a single GPU, the 470, lol. yeah, I talked to aforementioned friend and he convinced me to just go for an i7 because of how long it would last and so I just grabbed a cheaper 1366 board. didn't put much research into this at all. I'm planning on doing gaming; right now I mainly stick to SC2, WoW and a few steam games every now and then, but with a much better GPU (I got a 9800 gtx+ right now) I think I would go into more hardcore stuff like crysis.

I'm still convinced that most users would feel much more of a performance boost from an i5-7xx system with an SSD over an i7-9xx system. Do you want a 10-30% increase (or so, depends on what you're running) in CPU compute performance, or a 10000% increase in random access speed from disk?


that's a valid point, actually. do you think an OCed i5 would hold up for 3-4 years if not longer for what I'm doing?
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
December 02 2010 03:16 GMT
#2339
For gaming on a single (or dual) GPU, an i5 quad core at the same frequency as an i7 is just as good as the i7. Both have the same Nehalem microarchitecture, meaning the inner CPU compute hardware is the same. The i5-7xx have the same number of cores and cache as the i7s do too. What is different is that the i7-9xx has hyper-threading and more interfacing bandwidth. Those advantages don't really make a difference for what you're doing.

A few games benefit slightly from hyper-threading; most see no benefits. You can find some benchmarks if you search for them. If you really need hyper-threading, the i7-8xx CPUs have that and don't require you to get an expensive X58 mobo.

Most games are limited by the GPU's capability rather than the CPU anyway. An OCed (or even non-OCed in most cases) i5-7xx should really hold up for 3-4 years. If it doesn't, the i7-9xx probably wouldn't have either. I'd get the i5-7xx and SSD, really.

By the way, on a single GTX 470 system, a good 500W PSU should provide plenty of room for decent air overclocking.
pyaar
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States423 Posts
December 02 2010 04:34 GMT
#2340
On December 02 2010 12:16 Myrmidon wrote:
For gaming on a single (or dual) GPU, an i5 quad core at the same frequency as an i7 is just as good as the i7. Both have the same Nehalem microarchitecture, meaning the inner CPU compute hardware is the same. The i5-7xx have the same number of cores and cache as the i7s do too. What is different is that the i7-9xx has hyper-threading and more interfacing bandwidth. Those advantages don't really make a difference for what you're doing.

A few games benefit slightly from hyper-threading; most see no benefits. You can find some benchmarks if you search for them. If you really need hyper-threading, the i7-8xx CPUs have that and don't require you to get an expensive X58 mobo.

Most games are limited by the GPU's capability rather than the CPU anyway. An OCed (or even non-OCed in most cases) i5-7xx should really hold up for 3-4 years. If it doesn't, the i7-9xx probably wouldn't have either. I'd get the i5-7xx and SSD, really.

By the way, on a single GTX 470 system, a good 500W PSU should provide plenty of room for decent air overclocking.


Thanks for all your help, I think I'm going to take your advice on the i5-7xx + SSD . Imma slam a 470 in it with a decent power source and get a mobo that supports SLI fully if I ever decide to put another card in there some time.
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