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iEchoic
United States1776 Posts
On November 18 2010 11:12 Salv wrote: Wouldn't a SSD with a lot of space cost a lot of money? As myrmidon said, you usually run a SSD for your apps and a bigger rotational HD for your less-critical data. I got a 90gb for 160 bucks off newegg, and that's good to hold basically every install of all my applications. As a result, everything is going to feel blazing fast. I can put my music library, software library, etc on my rotational drive. | ||
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R04R
United States1631 Posts
On November 19 2010 04:08 Saturnize wrote: Hey again. So after getting advice from a couple of people and making a few decisions of my own I have updated my build. I replaced the 5770 with the gtx 460. I have decided not to get a monitor for the time being and use my current LCD display and instead get a quad core CPU. I may just see what deals pop up on 20"-22" monitors in my area on black friday. Here is my current build so far. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/GtFuW.jpg) Nice build, man. That's something most of us would suggest. If you could find some more combo deals and get it to $700 that would be a great standard build for someone with a $700 budget. | ||
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raheelp
United States54 Posts
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leomon
Canada169 Posts
First, the Q & A: + Show Spoiler + What is your budget? ~Still not sure what is exactly "right" for me, but I'm willing to spend around $800 if needed. What is your resolution? ~1600x900. I haven't tried any higher resolutions yet, but if I can find a cheap monitor during XMAS, I might go up to 1920x1200. What are you using it for? ~Gaming and school work. I want the system to run SC2 on ultra (of course), as well as be able to run modern games (ie CoD: Black Ops) smoothly on near-max settings. I occasionally stream to watch stuff (cough SC2), and of course I'll be using it for daily web browsing, skype... the usual. Not sure if this is a given thing these days, but the laptop I'm currently using doesn't support virtualizating of OS's. Therefore, one thing that I need is that it supports virtualization of other OS's (OS X primarily, using VMWare). I'm not doing any heavy photoshop, animation, or video editing. What is your upgrade cycle? ~At least 4 years. While I can't see into the future, I do hope the system will be able to handle software that'll come out in the next 4 years or so. When do you plan on building it? ~In the next few weeks. I'm not in a hurry for a new system quite yet, but I do want to get it while xmas sales are going on. Do you plan on overclocking? ~No. Do you need an Operating System? ~No. Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? ~No. Where are you buying your parts from? ~NCIX (and newegg I guess). I'm in Canada. Right now, I'm thinking of the GTX 460 768mb for GPU, with a i5-750 for a CPU. Would that be overkill for what I'm using it for? What if I wish to transfer the 460 over to a new computer in a few years? Would a 460 1gb be better? I don't need much hard-drive space (less than 1 TB is perfectly fine for me) and I don't care for how cases look. If anyone can help me figure out what's compatible for me, that'll be great. | ||
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Salv
Canada3083 Posts
Motherboard: ASUS P7P55D-E LX LGA1156 P55 ATX DDR3 1PCI-E16 4PCI-E1 2PCI USB3.0 SATA 6GB Sound GBLAN Motherboard RAM: G.SKILL F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL Ripjaws PC3-12800 4GB 2X2GB DDR3-1600 CL9-9-9-24 Core i5 1.5V Memory Kit PSU: Corsair Professional HX650W 650W ATX 12V 52A 24PIN ATX Modular Power Supply Active PFC 120MM Fan Software: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Edition 64BIT DVD OEM Case: Coolermaster CM 690 II Advanced ATX Mid Tower Case Black 4X5.25 1X3.5EXT 6X3.5INT *No PSU* HDD: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB SATA3 6GB/S 7200RPM 64MB Cache 3.5IN Dual Proc Hard Drive OEM CPU: Intel Core i5 750 Quad Core Processor Lynnfield LGA1156 2.66GHZ 8MB Cache Retail Box Video Card: ASUS Radeon HD 6850 DirectCU 790MHZ 1GB 4.0GHZ GDDR5 2XDVI DisplayPort HDMI PCI-E Video Card Thoughts? Also, I'm not planning on overclocking, because I don't know what I'm doing with that, so I don't mess with it. If that's the case, could I nix the heatsink and stick with the stock one? Does everything else look good? This would be $1,000. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
Most all current-gen CPUs can do virtualization, except maybe not stuff like AMD's Sempron and some Intel processors below the Core i3 line. I forget the details. GTX 460 1GB may be a good idea if you're thinking about that larger monitor down the line. @Salv: If you're not overclocking and not planning on CrossFire for multiple GPUs down the line, the mobo is a little of a waste. Why pay for features you don't need? Something cheaper might be more appropriate. By the way, you're not likely to ever go over 300W (out of the PSU, not out of the wall) on that setup, even if you tried to max out the power consumption. Actual power consumption on gaming loads would be less than that even. 650HX is mighty fine, but the point is what? You don't really need enthusiast-grade voltage regulation and ripple specs, especially if you're not trying to hit enthusiast-level overclocks. A good 380W PSU would be just fine. Stock CPU heatsink is fine for not overclocking. Based on your parts and usage, I don't think there's a reason to get the CM 690 II Advanced over the CM 690 II Basic (or something else). It might be worth taking a look at the Advanced and Basic features differences. DDR3 RAM rated at 1333 is usually just a little bit cheaper than RAM rated at 1600, but that's a small issue. The RAM won't be run over 1333 MHz anyway unless you overclock. Of course, it's your money and you can certainly overspend in any area you feel like. ;o | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
On November 19 2010 12:09 Salv wrote: Alright, here's my computer build. Can someone take one last look at it? I'm paranoid something isn't right, or not compatible: Motherboard: ASUS P7P55D-E LX LGA1156 P55 ATX DDR3 1PCI-E16 4PCI-E1 2PCI USB3.0 SATA 6GB Sound GBLAN Motherboard RAM: G.SKILL F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL Ripjaws PC3-12800 4GB 2X2GB DDR3-1600 CL9-9-9-24 Core i5 1.5V Memory Kit PSU: Corsair Professional HX650W 650W ATX 12V 52A 24PIN ATX Modular Power Supply Active PFC 120MM Fan Software: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Edition 64BIT DVD OEM Case: Coolermaster CM 690 II Advanced ATX Mid Tower Case Black 4X5.25 1X3.5EXT 6X3.5INT *No PSU* HDD: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB SATA3 6GB/S 7200RPM 64MB Cache 3.5IN Dual Proc Hard Drive OEM CPU: Intel Core i5 750 Quad Core Processor Lynnfield LGA1156 2.66GHZ 8MB Cache Retail Box Video Card: ASUS Radeon HD 6850 DirectCU 790MHZ 1GB 4.0GHZ GDDR5 2XDVI DisplayPort HDMI PCI-E Video Card Thoughts? Also, I'm not planning on overclocking, because I don't know what I'm doing with that, so I don't mess with it. If that's the case, could I nix the heatsink and stick with the stock one? Does everything else look good? This would be $1,000. Try these, http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=56968&promoid=1254 http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=56947&promoid=1254 http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=40435&promoid=1254 edit: these are 'surprise' specials. only valid for this week ... and while supplies last | ||
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jer
United States27 Posts
Here's my build: Case: COOLER MASTER RC-692-KKN3 CM690 II Basic Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119215 CD/DVD: ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204 PSU: Rosewill Libertas Series LIB-650 650W Continuous @40°C,80 PLUS Certified, Full Modular, ATX12V v2.3/EPS12V v2.92,SLI Ready, CrossFire Ready, Active PFC, Compatible with Core i7, i5 Power Supply http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182101 RAM: CORSAIR XMS3 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMX4GX3M2A1600C9 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145260 Heatsink: ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro Rev.2 92mm Fluid Dynamic CPU Cooler http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186134 GPU: GIGABYTE GV-N450OC-1GI GeForce GTS 450 (Fermi) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.550287 (monitor/gpu combo) CPU: Intel Core i5-750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor BX80605I5750 (cpu/motherboard combo, link under motherboard) Motherboard: ASUS P7P55D-E Pro LGA 1156 Intel P55 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.541683 (cpu/motherboard combo) Sorry for the wall of text. :\ So far, I'm above my budget of $800-$1000, at $1046.90(not including windows 7). If anyone has any suggestions and tips, they would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance! edit: I'm planning on looking for some of these parts on Black Friday, so I might end up being in my budget, but I'm kind of doubtful that I'll find any. Hope I get lucky! | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
You don't need 650w. You could do with a 500w and even a 400w PSU. And I wouldn't use a rosewill PSU even if you gave it to me for free. Rosewill quality is garbage and the PSU is the most important part of a computer so you want a solid one such as Seasonic, Corsair, or Antec. Unless I'm blind, you don't have a HDD on your list and you didn't mention anything about using an old one | ||
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jer
United States27 Posts
what would you suggest between the two for PSU? Antec EarthWatts Green EA-430D Green 430W Continuous power ATX12V v2.3 / EPS 12V 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371034 or Antec earthwatts EA430 430W Continuous Power ATX12V v2.0 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371006 and HDD is hard drive right? lol.. >_< would any HDD do? | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
HDD is a hard drive yes. You'd want a 7200rpm drive to store windows and other applications such as the Samsung Spinpoint F3 or Western Digital Caviar Black. | ||
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jer
United States27 Posts
Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136319 | ||
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Salv
Canada3083 Posts
On November 19 2010 12:56 Myrmidon wrote: @leomon: That looks about right. If you want to save some $75, you can probably just get a Phenom II X4 and corresponding AM3 mobo, but the i5-750 is better overall (not by a huge margin). 2x2 GB DDR3 RAM should be good. Since you're not overclocking, a good 400-430W PSU would be plenty--anything that can do 28A continuous as +12V should well cover max benchmarking load. Most all current-gen CPUs can do virtualization, except maybe not stuff like AMD's Sempron and some Intel processors below the Core i3 line. I forget the details. GTX 460 1GB may be a good idea if you're thinking about that larger monitor down the line. @Salv: If you're not overclocking and not planning on CrossFire for multiple GPUs down the line, the mobo is a little of a waste. Why pay for features you don't need? Something cheaper might be more appropriate. By the way, you're not likely to ever go over 300W (out of the PSU, not out of the wall) on that setup, even if you tried to max out the power consumption. Actual power consumption on gaming loads would be less than that even. 650HX is mighty fine, but the point is what? You don't really need enthusiast-grade voltage regulation and ripple specs, especially if you're not trying to hit enthusiast-level overclocks. A good 380W PSU would be just fine. Stock CPU heatsink is fine for not overclocking. Based on your parts and usage, I don't think there's a reason to get the CM 690 II Advanced over the CM 690 II Basic (or something else). It might be worth taking a look at the Advanced and Basic features differences. DDR3 RAM rated at 1333 is usually just a little bit cheaper than RAM rated at 1600, but that's a small issue. The RAM won't be run over 1333 MHz anyway unless you overclock. Of course, it's your money and you can certainly overspend in any area you feel like. ;o No, thank you, I'm trying to cut costs wherever possible. I obviously don't want to spend in areas that I won't be needing. I'll adjust the PSU, case, and the RAM. | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
On November 19 2010 15:35 jer wrote: This is my first time building a computer, and I'm pretty sure I can do something to save some more money. I need to get windows 7, too. I'm trying to build a computer that can run SC2 in high quality and I don't want to overclock. Here's my build: Case: COOLER MASTER RC-692-KKN3 CM690 II Basic Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119215 CD/DVD: ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204 PSU: Rosewill Libertas Series LIB-650 650W Continuous @40°C,80 PLUS Certified, Full Modular, ATX12V v2.3/EPS12V v2.92,SLI Ready, CrossFire Ready, Active PFC, Compatible with Core i7, i5 Power Supply http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182101 RAM: CORSAIR XMS3 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMX4GX3M2A1600C9 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145260 Heatsink: ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro Rev.2 92mm Fluid Dynamic CPU Cooler http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186134 GPU: GIGABYTE GV-N450OC-1GI GeForce GTS 450 (Fermi) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.550287 (monitor/gpu combo) CPU: Intel Core i5-750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor BX80605I5750 (cpu/motherboard combo, link under motherboard) Motherboard: ASUS P7P55D-E Pro LGA 1156 Intel P55 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.541683 (cpu/motherboard combo) Sorry for the wall of text. :\ So far, I'm above my budget of $800-$1000, at $1046.90(not including windows 7). If anyone has any suggestions and tips, they would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance! edit: I'm planning on looking for some of these parts on Black Friday, so I might end up being in my budget, but I'm kind of doubtful that I'll find any. Hope I get lucky! You forgot a hard drive. This build is about $40 more expensive than your build, but much more powerful. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236052 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125333 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151094 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.552987 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.546483.11-129-066 + Show Spoiler + ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive ASUS VH242H Black 23.6" 5ms HDMI Full 1080P Widescreen LCD Monitor Item #: N82E16824236052 GIGABYTE GV-N460OC-1GI GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card SeaSonic S12II 520 Bronze 520W ATX12V V2.3 / EPS 12V V2.91 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBNQ COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7 compatible RR-B10-212P-G1 120mm "heatpipe direct contact" Long ... Intel Core i5-760 Lynnfield 2.8GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80605I5760 ASUS P7P55D-E LX LGA 1156 Intel P55 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM Antec Three Hundred Illusion Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case Subtotal: $1,089.89 If you want to keep it under $1000, its best to switch to an AMD platform. It will be slower than the 760, though. | ||
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Cbear
United Kingdom16 Posts
I will mainly be using the computer for gaming (starcraft II!) and any suggestions are more than welcome. BenQ G2220HD 22" TFT Monitor 1920x1080 300cd/m2 40000:1 (dynamic) 5ms 16  VGA/DVI Glossy Black £99.95Coolermaster Elite 330 Black Mid Tower Case - No PSU £29.72 Samsung HD103SJ Spinpoint F3 1TB Hard Drive SATAII 7200rpm 32MB Cache £40.99 Sony Optiarc AD-5260B 24x DVD±RW & DL SATA Optical Drive - OEM Black £12.99 AMD Athlon II X4 640 Socket AM3 3GHz 2MB L2 Cache Retail Boxed Processor £73.54 Asus M4A88T-M 880G Socket AM3 Onboard Graphics 8 Channel Audio mATX motherboard £59.99 Gigabyte GTX 460 OC 768MB GDDR5 OC Edition Dual DVI HDMI PCI-E Graphics Card £132.19 Coolermaster GX 550W PSU - 6x SATA 2x PCI-E 80plus Certified £56.21 2 x Kingston 2GB DDR3 1600MHz HyperX Blu Memory CL9 1.65V Non-ECC £49.14 Total: £554.72 | ||
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jer
United States27 Posts
On November 20 2010 01:14 a176 wrote: You forgot a hard drive. This build is about $40 more expensive than your build, but much more powerful. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236052 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125333 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151094 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.552987 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.546483.11-129-066 + Show Spoiler + ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive ASUS VH242H Black 23.6" 5ms HDMI Full 1080P Widescreen LCD Monitor Item #: N82E16824236052 GIGABYTE GV-N460OC-1GI GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card SeaSonic S12II 520 Bronze 520W ATX12V V2.3 / EPS 12V V2.91 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBNQ COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7 compatible RR-B10-212P-G1 120mm "heatpipe direct contact" Long ... Intel Core i5-760 Lynnfield 2.8GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80605I5760 ASUS P7P55D-E LX LGA 1156 Intel P55 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM Antec Three Hundred Illusion Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case Subtotal: $1,089.89 If you want to keep it under $1000, its best to switch to an AMD platform. It will be slower than the 760, though. I think your build is actually cheaper than mine because I don't even have windows 7 in my shopping cart so my total is around $1140 ish. Thanks for your help and going through the trouble of making a build! I might steal it. >:3 edit: question though, what's the difference between these two?: GIGABYTE GV-N460OC-1GI GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125333 and ASUS ENGTX460 DirectCU TOP/2DI/768MD5 GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 768MB 192-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121390 | ||
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Skrillex
Canada48 Posts
On July 21 2010 11:35 FragKrag wrote: 1920x1200 GTX 470 HD 5850 HD 6870 HD 6850 GTX 460 1GB GTX 460 768MB HD 4890 HD 4870 GTS 450 HD 5770 1680x1050 HD 6850 HD 4870 GTS 450 HD 5770 GTS 250 HD 4850 I have an Intel Q8400 quad core at 2.66 with the GTX 460 1gb displaying on a 1680x1050 monitor (I think its a 20"), currently running sc2 all graphics at ultra around 60 / 70 fps, would I benefit getting a bigger monitor like a 24" or it would be impossible to run everything at ultra? I see that the GTX 460 1gb is under the 1920 x 1200 what screen resolution is that? | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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Skrillex
Canada48 Posts
On November 20 2010 06:31 jer wrote: edit: question though, what's the difference between these two?: GIGABYTE GV-N460OC-1GI GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125333 and ASUS ENGTX460 DirectCU TOP/2DI/768MD5 GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 768MB 192-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121390 I think the product warranty change a little, and I heard the Evga had a better overclocking, but Im not an expert in the subject hope fully someone can help u better . I have the GIGABYTE one and I love it haha | ||
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