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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Rachnar
Profile Joined October 2010
France1526 Posts
March 30 2012 20:11 GMT
#20081
That only has to do with access time, if he loads really fast then he just has a SSD
"What if it's a triple DK ?" "Then we cry" "Prepare your handkerchief then ..."
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
March 30 2012 20:12 GMT
#20082
On March 31 2012 05:08 xeo1 wrote:
well right now I am forced to play on lowest resolution/settings. so going to max settings would already be a huge improvement I meant his pc boots up insanely fast and loads applications quicker, which I assume has something to do with cpu.


Not functionally. HDD speed. Making assumptions is generally bad juju. Also RAM speed, I suppose, HDD fragmentation, and a few other factors, but generally CPU has little to do with those.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-30 20:20:40
March 30 2012 20:19 GMT
#20083
On March 31 2012 05:08 xeo1 wrote:
well right now I am forced to play on lowest resolution/settings. so going to max settings would already be a huge improvement I meant his pc boots up insanely fast and loads applications quicker, which I assume has something to do with cpu.


None of that benefits from having a better CPU. Resolution is GPU and boot up times is HDD. Most settings are GPU as well but I will note that physics and some other settings are also CPU, the game itself is also CPU (NPC AI and all that). But you don't have to worry about most of that unless you need more than 60 FPS where things get harder to quantify.
twitch.tv/medrea
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
March 30 2012 21:12 GMT
#20084
On March 31 2012 05:11 Rachnar wrote:
That only has to do with access time, if he loads really fast then he just has a SSD


To a degree, a CPU can also improve startup times.
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Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
March 30 2012 21:14 GMT
#20085
Lets make spending $400 to improve startup time a priority after we make spending $400 to improve performance literally any other time.
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JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
March 30 2012 21:19 GMT
#20086
On March 31 2012 06:12 Shauni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2012 05:11 Rachnar wrote:
That only has to do with access time, if he loads really fast then he just has a SSD


To a degree, a CPU can also improve startup times.


In a C2Q machine, odds are good that's not the underlying problem. Shit or fragged HDD, limited RAM, and/or OS issues (like using vista) would jump to the forefront.

Let's face it, playing the odds is how you fix ambiguous problems.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
March 30 2012 21:25 GMT
#20087
Yeah ill admit to playing the odds on PC repair. Of course playing the odds for me means switching out parts to see what works.
twitch.tv/medrea
bubO
Profile Joined August 2010
United States367 Posts
March 30 2012 22:29 GMT
#20088
Hey guys My friend is looking for a new computer for gaming. Hes on a tight budget of $500. He needs a OS and he is mainly using it for gaming BF3 and LoL mostly. His resolution will be 1600x900. Planning on buying over the next 2 weeks or so.
No overclock no sli. Oh and perferably Newegg.com

Thx!
Protoss...
xeo1
Profile Joined October 2011
United States429 Posts
March 31 2012 00:01 GMT
#20089
On March 31 2012 05:19 Medrea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2012 05:08 xeo1 wrote:
well right now I am forced to play on lowest resolution/settings. so going to max settings would already be a huge improvement I meant his pc boots up insanely fast and loads applications quicker, which I assume has something to do with cpu.


None of that benefits from having a better CPU. Resolution is GPU and boot up times is HDD. Most settings are GPU as well but I will note that physics and some other settings are also CPU, the game itself is also CPU (NPC AI and all that). But you don't have to worry about most of that unless you need more than 60 FPS where things get harder to quantify.


he was saying going from gtx 260 to 460 won't be a big improvement. and I responded by saying right now I play on lowest everything otherwise I get graphical tear, so if upgrading to 460 can allow me to play on max then I consider that a worthy investment.
Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
March 31 2012 00:03 GMT
#20090
On March 31 2012 09:01 xeo1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2012 05:19 Medrea wrote:
On March 31 2012 05:08 xeo1 wrote:
well right now I am forced to play on lowest resolution/settings. so going to max settings would already be a huge improvement I meant his pc boots up insanely fast and loads applications quicker, which I assume has something to do with cpu.


None of that benefits from having a better CPU. Resolution is GPU and boot up times is HDD. Most settings are GPU as well but I will note that physics and some other settings are also CPU, the game itself is also CPU (NPC AI and all that). But you don't have to worry about most of that unless you need more than 60 FPS where things get harder to quantify.


he was saying going from gtx 260 to 460 won't be a big improvement. and I responded by saying right now I play on lowest everything otherwise I get graphical tear, so if upgrading to 460 can allow me to play on max then I consider that a worthy investment.


I think GTX260 should still manage more than low no?

Also, doesn't V-sync help with graphics tearing?
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xeo1
Profile Joined October 2011
United States429 Posts
March 31 2012 00:06 GMT
#20091
On March 31 2012 09:03 Alryk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2012 09:01 xeo1 wrote:
On March 31 2012 05:19 Medrea wrote:
On March 31 2012 05:08 xeo1 wrote:
well right now I am forced to play on lowest resolution/settings. so going to max settings would already be a huge improvement I meant his pc boots up insanely fast and loads applications quicker, which I assume has something to do with cpu.


None of that benefits from having a better CPU. Resolution is GPU and boot up times is HDD. Most settings are GPU as well but I will note that physics and some other settings are also CPU, the game itself is also CPU (NPC AI and all that). But you don't have to worry about most of that unless you need more than 60 FPS where things get harder to quantify.


he was saying going from gtx 260 to 460 won't be a big improvement. and I responded by saying right now I play on lowest everything otherwise I get graphical tear, so if upgrading to 460 can allow me to play on max then I consider that a worthy investment.


I think GTX260 should still manage more than low no?

Also, doesn't V-sync help with graphics tearing?


It manages, but after a while I get tearing
Poe
Profile Joined January 2003
United States32 Posts
March 31 2012 00:23 GMT
#20092
About to hit the buy button on newegg for my new i5 2500 build and there is one last thing I need to settle on.

Not taking price into account at all, which of these boards are better? Not too keen on mobo specs, so thought I would ask before hitting buy and making a fool of myself when it arrived or such.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157271
&
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130582

Thanks again!
Currently Streaming: Diablo 3 - twitch.tv/rtspoe
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
March 31 2012 00:27 GMT
#20093
On March 31 2012 09:03 Alryk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2012 09:01 xeo1 wrote:
On March 31 2012 05:19 Medrea wrote:
On March 31 2012 05:08 xeo1 wrote:
well right now I am forced to play on lowest resolution/settings. so going to max settings would already be a huge improvement I meant his pc boots up insanely fast and loads applications quicker, which I assume has something to do with cpu.


None of that benefits from having a better CPU. Resolution is GPU and boot up times is HDD. Most settings are GPU as well but I will note that physics and some other settings are also CPU, the game itself is also CPU (NPC AI and all that). But you don't have to worry about most of that unless you need more than 60 FPS where things get harder to quantify.


he was saying going from gtx 260 to 460 won't be a big improvement. and I responded by saying right now I play on lowest everything otherwise I get graphical tear, so if upgrading to 460 can allow me to play on max then I consider that a worthy investment.


I think GTX260 should still manage more than low no?

Also, doesn't V-sync help with graphics tearing?


Tearing is the result of what happens when you run a game close to but not at 60 FPS so I think by tearing he means something else entirely. Especially since it happens "after awhile."

Friend is using 260 across the room from me. Playing Skyrim on Ultra. Don't see the issue.
twitch.tv/medrea
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
March 31 2012 00:30 GMT
#20094
On March 31 2012 09:23 Poe wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
About to hit the buy button on newegg for my new i5 2500 build and there is one last thing I need to settle on.

Not taking price into account at all, which of these boards are better? Not too keen on mobo specs, so thought I would ask before hitting buy and making a fool of myself when it arrived or such.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157271
&
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130582

Thanks again!


This depends on what you consider better..

Extreme3 comes with a SLI bridge while G45 does not.

Extreme3 has more phases than the G45.

Extreme3 has a debug LED, on-board reset/power, and angled SATA connectors whereas the G45 does not.

Extreme3 is Z68 and G45 is P67.

Extreme3 uses Asmedia USB3 while G45 uses NEC.

G45 has a USB3 header whereas the Extreme3 does not.

MSI offers a three year warranty while Asrock only offers two.

And a bunch of other differences.
xeo1
Profile Joined October 2011
United States429 Posts
March 31 2012 00:33 GMT
#20095
maybe it's not graphical tearing, but what happens is the screen turns black and a few colored, fractured lines are seen. when I first got the PC I played on max, but after a while the problem occurred, so I noticed it didn't happen when I lowered it. By now, I play on the lowest setting possible since it happened on each resolution/setting stage already.
Poe
Profile Joined January 2003
United States32 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-31 01:01:26
March 31 2012 00:58 GMT
#20096
Again, pretty noobish to computer builds so some of that flew over my head. it may help to know what I am doing with the system a bit. i5 2500, slightly overclocked (maybe 4.1-4.3) used mainly to play games and stream. Most likely only a single GPU setup, but would be nice to have option for 2 someday maybe. Warranty and price aren't that super big of concerns between the two.

Board would be going in a haf 922 with some gskill 1600, i5 2500k, and my same old current gpu gtx 260 (upgrading this next).

Not sure if any of this makes a difference but thought I would elaborate to see at least.
Currently Streaming: Diablo 3 - twitch.tv/rtspoe
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-31 01:02:21
March 31 2012 01:01 GMT
#20097
On March 31 2012 09:33 xeo1 wrote:
maybe it's not graphical tearing, but what happens is the screen turns black and a few colored, fractured lines are seen. when I first got the PC I played on max, but after a while the problem occurred, so I noticed it didn't happen when I lowered it. By now, I play on the lowest setting possible since it happened on each resolution/setting stage already.


Then you have a broken card and its probably been broken or defective since you first got it. We can't recommend any good hardware thats still good even when its defective >.>

Doesn't matter since that brings us back to the original topic, which is rather than upgrading the CPU, upgrade the GPU.
twitch.tv/medrea
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
March 31 2012 01:04 GMT
#20098
On March 31 2012 09:58 Poe wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Again, pretty noobish to computer builds so some of that flew over my head. it may help to know what I am doing with the system a bit. i5 2500, slightly overclocked (maybe 4.1-4.3) used mainly to play games and stream. Most likely only a single GPU setup, but would be nice to have option for 2 someday maybe. Warranty and price aren't that super big of concerns between the two.

Board would be going in a haf 922 with some gskill 1600, i5 2500k, and my same old current gpu gtx 260 (upgrading this next).

Not sure if any of this makes a difference but thought I would elaborate to see at least.


It sounds like you should go with the Asrock board since HAF922 is an old case without USB3 and warranty is not a concern. The G45 really doesn't have much going for it besides the USB3 header, warranty, and the number of USB ports.
Poe
Profile Joined January 2003
United States32 Posts
March 31 2012 01:20 GMT
#20099
Are there that many devices that need/can take advantage of 3.0 really? Can't think of any I currently have that would.
Currently Streaming: Diablo 3 - twitch.tv/rtspoe
xeo1
Profile Joined October 2011
United States429 Posts
March 31 2012 01:20 GMT
#20100
On March 31 2012 10:01 Medrea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2012 09:33 xeo1 wrote:
maybe it's not graphical tearing, but what happens is the screen turns black and a few colored, fractured lines are seen. when I first got the PC I played on max, but after a while the problem occurred, so I noticed it didn't happen when I lowered it. By now, I play on the lowest setting possible since it happened on each resolution/setting stage already.


Then you have a broken card and its probably been broken or defective since you first got it. We can't recommend any good hardware thats still good even when its defective >.>

Doesn't matter since that brings us back to the original topic, which is rather than upgrading the CPU, upgrade the GPU.


haha then I'll take your advice and upgrade the GPU, if that doesn't fix it then buy the parts one by one until it is fixed or I have a new PC :D that satisfies your recommendation and mine
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