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MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-24 08:52:01
July 24 2009 08:38 GMT
#1
Netizen
The game looks much cooler than SC1
Netizen
SC1 is 10 fucking years old you dumbshit ofcourse it looks cooler.
Netizen
In SC1 you get 8 minerals, but in SC2 you get 5 minerals so in the early game it feels, really really really slow.
Netizen
I'm sorry, but the translated names are so so so bad.
Netizen
Please remove Korean Version blizzard plz.
Netizen
LOL Collosus = "BIGTHING." ITS NOT EVEN A NOUN LOLLLLLLLLL
Netizen
God the translated names are just terrible. Leave them in English or do it properly.
Netizen
Lost temple is alot different than SC1. The ramps in 12 oclock are placed differently.
Netizen
I waited in line for this shit. Let me tell you, the game exceeded my expectations.
Netizen
lucky you I wanna playyy
Netizen
When you're playing the game, you don't feel it but when watching it, since it is in 3D it kinda makes you feel sick after watching alot
Netizen
MBS does not feel bad. It actually feels decent, and I support it.
Netizen
Terran = Protoss >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zerg. Zerg is just so bad. Banlings are such a clutch unit it's absolutely ridiculous. Without banelings Zerg is so so so bad.
Netizen
2 Gas at start = Leta is happy
Netizen
The interface is just like WC3.
Netizen
I think the game would be much more fun if you can press Z once and make 12 zealots off 12 gateways instead of pressing Z 12 times
Netizen
^^^ Hey fag, gtfo
Netizen
Do people really have problems with names? All you need to know are the hotkeys so who cares?
Netizen
I just came back, let me tell you it is AWESOME. But Protoss is too cool. EVERYBODY PLAYED PROTOSS. So I have no idea how the other races are LOLOLOL
Netizen
SC2 has one race only, Protoss. The game is fucking built for protoss players
Netizen
While watching this, I thought to myself "This game cannot fail in any way possible"
The game is just too good to be called a failure
Netizen
ZERG IS SO BAD OH MY EYES
Just so so so terrible
Netizen
Zerg needs so much help. After banelings, they have NOTHING.
Netizen
Nullifiers are just so great. They are cheap, not really overpowered and even without an upgrade, they are so useful. 50min 100 gas for magic unit with great use in all aspects? So good.
Netizen
I was worried 3D will make the game blurry and unreadable. But the game is incredibly Clean. Even in the largest battles spectators can tell what is going on!
Netizen
THE NAMES ARE SO BAD. PETITION TO GO AGAINST KOREAN VERSION
Netizen
LOL THE NAMES ARE JUST BAD. So gay
Netizen
Terran and Toss names are okay... But the Zerg names... "UNDERGROUND CONQUERER"? JUST CALL IT A GODDAMN LURKER
Netizen
"Working Insect" = Drone OH GOD AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Netizen
"Big Space Ship" = Carrier LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
Netizen
OH GOD THE NAMES ARE KILLING ME AHAHAHHA
Netizen
"Venomous Insect" = Baneling NOOOOO
Netizen
Baneling is such a cool name WHYYYYY
Netizen
oh god Working Insect is such a bad name lolololol


So basically, Korean people find Protoss just too appealing while Zerg and Terran lack so much.

I'll be posting more netizen comments later!
dats racist
Dr. Tran
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States125 Posts
July 24 2009 08:42 GMT
#2
Word, keep them coming!
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51451 Posts
July 24 2009 08:42 GMT
#3
Kona are you still doing GARIMTO interview translation?
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MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
July 24 2009 08:48 GMT
#4
Hahaha just updated, Korean Unit names
so so so bad
dats racist
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33389 Posts
July 24 2009 08:50 GMT
#5
drone = 일벌레?

lurker = 잠복자?

sdagasdhajkagha
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
InToTheWannaB
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4770 Posts
July 24 2009 08:52 GMT
#6
nice stuff
When the spirit is not altogether slain, great loss teaches men and women to desire greatly, both for themselves and for others.
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-24 08:55:11
July 24 2009 08:54 GMT
#7
Overlord = 대군주

Which literally translates to LARGE KING
Or it means a Higher Status King (WHICH MAKES NO MORE SENSE BECAUSE YOU ARE KING)
dats racist
krazymunky
Profile Joined June 2008
United States727 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-24 08:54:43
July 24 2009 08:54 GMT
#8
lol the korean names are hilarious

i wonder what they will be in Chinese
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MK
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States496 Posts
July 24 2009 08:59 GMT
#9
ahaha I absolutely love the korean names ahahahhahah Big Space Ship ahahah and Large King ahahah Fantastic !
Protoss seems to be the Easy Mode again :/
The highest knowledge is to know that we are surrounded by mystery
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9021 Posts
July 24 2009 09:00 GMT
#10
Why they have to translate the names? Koreans survived SC1 with no problems.
Skyze
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada2324 Posts
July 24 2009 09:05 GMT
#11
sigh. since protoss are easy mode in BW, Guess thats why theres so many in the OSL/MSL finals right now..

And I guess thats why they have dominated almost every league from 2001 to 2007, winning 90% of them.

Oh wait..
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genwar
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada537 Posts
July 24 2009 09:20 GMT
#12
Sounds like zerg really need help as every match up see's banelings as a requirement.
Alizee-
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States845 Posts
July 24 2009 09:27 GMT
#13
sigh and I thought iccup was bad with all the toss players...oh boy...
Strength behind the Pride
Suc
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia1569 Posts
July 24 2009 09:31 GMT
#14
lol these are so great
Phearlock
Profile Joined December 2007
Norway400 Posts
July 24 2009 09:43 GMT
#15
This was incredibly funny to read, thanks for the translation =)

"big space ship" rofl
Frieder
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Italy231 Posts
July 24 2009 09:52 GMT
#16
Hopefully they will not use the Korean version at the tournaments.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66163 Posts
July 24 2009 09:55 GMT
#17
On July 24 2009 17:42 GTR wrote:
Kona are you still doing GARIMTO interview translation?

yes
POGGERS
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66163 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-24 09:57:39
July 24 2009 09:56 GMT
#18
wow god another reason why I should stick to English versions... Korean version of WC3 was pretty bad. (directly translated names doesn't suit me)

Mrhoon where's the source link? I want to see lol
POGGERS
[X]Ken_D
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States4650 Posts
July 24 2009 10:03 GMT
#19
By not changing the names, millions of Korean kids get free english lessons.
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DragoonPK
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
3259 Posts
July 24 2009 10:09 GMT
#20
LOL! @ comments XD, good to see their points of view xD
doktorLucifer
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States855 Posts
July 24 2009 10:24 GMT
#21
OMG.

UNDERGROUND.

CONQUEROOORRRR.
Tyraz
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
New Zealand310 Posts
July 24 2009 10:33 GMT
#22
Lol i seriously wonder why you'd change the names!? I mean god... most of the names don't mean anything to us ether!? Lol whats a baneling.. zellot... vulture... Also, if they're going to change unit names, why not go all out and change the Race names too? I mean god, they're just as indecipherable as the Unit names!?
100% Pure.
stroggos
Profile Joined February 2009
New Zealand1543 Posts
July 24 2009 10:35 GMT
#23
lol korean comments are always funny to read. No comment about ricecakes this time though? :/
hi
JohnBall
Profile Joined December 2008
Brazil1272 Posts
July 24 2009 11:31 GMT
#24
I'm worried about that netizen that said the game makes you feel sick. This is a Korean kid talking. If he feels sick from watching the game I would probably pass out or something like that.
perfecting the art of five pool forever
Mannerheim
Profile Joined April 2007
766 Posts
July 24 2009 11:55 GMT
#25
On July 24 2009 20:31 JohnBall wrote:
I'm worried about that netizen that said the game makes you feel sick. This is a Korean kid talking. If he feels sick from watching the game I would probably pass out or something like that.


I feel sick after watching some 300+ APM FPVODs already, so no difference there.
Konni
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Germany3044 Posts
July 24 2009 11:58 GMT
#26
I'm wondering why blizzard would do such a bad job of translating the names... doesn't seem like them
Camlito
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Australia4040 Posts
July 24 2009 11:59 GMT
#27
On July 24 2009 18:05 Skyze wrote:
sigh. since protoss are easy mode in BW, Guess thats why theres so many in the OSL/MSL finals right now..

And I guess thats why they have dominated almost every league from 2001 to 2007, winning 90% of them.

Oh wait..


Yeh, the best players in the world are the best test of a race being "easy mode" below that level. Good job witty sarcastic man.

Thanks for the translation!
sAviOr...
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
July 24 2009 12:13 GMT
#28
wow these comments are gold
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
July 24 2009 12:19 GMT
#29
On July 24 2009 20:31 JohnBall wrote:
I'm worried about that netizen that said the game makes you feel sick. This is a Korean kid talking. If he feels sick from watching the game I would probably pass out or something like that.

Well, when I first started playing Heroes of Newerth (a new dota clone on a 3D engine similar to sc2 graphically) I found it really disorienting, but that feeling went away almost instantly in the 2nd game I played. It just takes getting used to. That kid could also be a sissy
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17257 Posts
July 24 2009 12:21 GMT
#30
On July 24 2009 20:58 Konni wrote:
I'm wondering why blizzard would do such a bad job of translating the names... doesn't seem like them


Because it's not Blizzard that does the translation. It's the local developer. For example polish version of WC3 was absolutely brilliant in terms of translation (and I friggin hate localized game content), they even changed the unit jokes to fit our reality better.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
StarN
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2587 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-24 12:29:25
July 24 2009 12:28 GMT
#31
Netizen
LOL Collosus = "BIGTHING." ITS NOT EVEN A NOUN LOLLLLLLLLL

Netizen
"Working Insect" = Drone OH GOD AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Netizen
"Big Space Ship" = Carrier LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL


Hahahaha <3 Mr.Hoon
Retired BW Noob
gaggar
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada118 Posts
July 24 2009 12:29 GMT
#32
From DCinside SC2 forum:

http://gall.dcinside.com/list.php?id=starcraft2&no=2379&page=2

summary of his post:

-interface is streamlined so unnecessary micro is no longer needed
-idle workers are displayed like WC3 on top left corner
-workers now spread automatically when selected in group to mine mineral
-rally point can be set to resources and the worker produced will mine automatically
-multiple unit can be selected beyond the 12 sc1 limit
-buildings can be selected in groups to produce units. building with the least queue time will be selected to produce first when you have the buildings in a group
-no more unit pathfinding glitches. they also move much more smoother in groups.
-sc2 is much faster paced than sc1 in general
-mineral mining reduced to 5 (from 8) and gas to 4 (from 8). gas usage is more prevalent in sc2 and you'll always be short of it.
-terran lifted buildings move much faster
-you can tilt the view like WC3
-units are relatively easy to recognize.
Zabestrial
Profile Joined June 2009
United States194 Posts
July 24 2009 12:35 GMT
#33
lmao insect worker.
sob im a hard core Zerg player and to
hear that in the current build of sc2 they suck?
Come on Blizzard if the units suck give the hatchery more larva.

'"sob" why Blizzard why! "sob"


-Zabestrial
www.YouTube.com/BreakingHaven
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10705 Posts
July 24 2009 12:37 GMT
#34
On July 24 2009 20:58 Konni wrote:
I'm wondering why blizzard would do such a bad job of translating the names... doesn't seem like them



You really, really, really need to play some Diablo 2 in the german version.

The bad, bad, bad translation is legendary.
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
July 24 2009 12:41 GMT
#35
I doubt true localization would have begun already since the game is still in beta and lots of things are subject to change, so I wouldn't be surprised if they just did the translations in house and that explains why they are awful
Puosu
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
6985 Posts
July 24 2009 12:41 GMT
#36
On July 24 2009 21:41 floor exercise wrote:
I doubt true localization would have begun already since the game is still in beta and lots of things are subject to change, so I wouldn't be surprised if they just did the translations in house and that explains why they are awful

This, probably just hired someone to do a quick placeholder translation.
Konni
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Germany3044 Posts
July 24 2009 13:07 GMT
#37
On July 24 2009 21:37 Velr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2009 20:58 Konni wrote:
I'm wondering why blizzard would do such a bad job of translating the names... doesn't seem like them



You really, really, really need to play some Diablo 2 in the german version.

The bad, bad, bad translation is legendary.

I didn't know that. Gonna try that sometime!

Manitou I know they use translation companies to do the actual translations. But they must have some koreans working for blizzard who are able to check those translations. Translation companies won't have the context/knowledge for proper translations I imagine.
SwEEt[TearS]
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1575 Posts
July 24 2009 13:14 GMT
#38
Big Spaceship fights are gonna be fun lulz
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deL
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Australia5540 Posts
July 24 2009 13:50 GMT
#39
Ahaha, enjoyed them a lot - gave me some laughs and got me excited about SC2. Keep up the good work, mate n_n
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Error Ash
Profile Joined July 2008
Germany177 Posts
July 24 2009 14:40 GMT
#40
On July 24 2009 21:37 Velr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2009 20:58 Konni wrote:
I'm wondering why blizzard would do such a bad job of translating the names... doesn't seem like them



You really, really, really need to play some Diablo 2 in the german version.

The bad, bad, bad translation is legendary.


German versions are almost always horrible... Not only in computer games... Just look what they did to Southpark, Heroes, etc etc... Diablo 2 was actually pretty ok for a german version, but ofc english still is much better...
ForTheSwarm
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States556 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-24 14:53:51
July 24 2009 14:44 GMT
#41
            ==SC1====SC2==
Toss ---> 1a2a3a       1a


T_T
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zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15328 Posts
July 24 2009 14:47 GMT
#42
How can they hate SC2 Terrans, they are so much more fun to play than Protoss. Zerg I can understand they still feel like they need polishing, but Terran are soooo good.
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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25980 Posts
July 24 2009 14:49 GMT
#43
hahaha netizen threads are my favourite!!
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Zato-1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile4253 Posts
July 24 2009 14:52 GMT
#44
Fun read. Shame about the Zergs, though.
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exeprime
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United Kingdom643 Posts
July 24 2009 15:04 GMT
#45
On July 24 2009 23:44 For_The_Swarm wrote:
            ==SC1====SC2==
Toss ---> 1a2a3a       1a


T_T


Seriously, do we really need more 1a2a3a posts?
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8748 Posts
July 24 2009 15:10 GMT
#46
SC1 protoss is 1r
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Whiplash
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2928 Posts
July 24 2009 15:57 GMT
#47
On July 24 2009 23:47 zatic wrote:
How can they hate SC2 Terrans, they are so much more fun to play than Protoss. Zerg I can understand they still feel like they need polishing, but Terran are soooo good.


yah thats how I feel it looks like they have so many options and great new strategies and powerful units while the zerg look ZZZzzzz and the toss are kinda cool but it seems they have less dynamic units then the terrans.
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ghermination
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States2851 Posts
July 24 2009 16:23 GMT
#48
I can't believe they can translate unit names that terribly. "Bigthing"? Wat?
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Flicky
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
England2662 Posts
July 24 2009 16:29 GMT
#49
On July 24 2009 23:40 Error Ash wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2009 21:37 Velr wrote:
On July 24 2009 20:58 Konni wrote:
I'm wondering why blizzard would do such a bad job of translating the names... doesn't seem like them



You really, really, really need to play some Diablo 2 in the german version.

The bad, bad, bad translation is legendary.


German versions are almost always horrible... Not only in computer games... Just look what they did to Southpark, Heroes, etc etc... Diablo 2 was actually pretty ok for a german version, but ofc english still is much better...


I still laugh at Hexenmeister from WoW. The german dubs for most shows I've seen aren't great either. Some translations are just silly as well. On one show I watched in Austria someone said (in English) "She's a complete bitch!" and the german subtitles said "Here's my Aunt!".
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Profile Joined December 2008
Singapore6164 Posts
July 24 2009 16:39 GMT
#50
ROFL

Nice work!
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9021 Posts
July 24 2009 16:53 GMT
#51
On July 25 2009 00:10 Liquid`NonY wrote:
SC1 protoss is 1r

And r means...
Railz
Profile Joined July 2008
United States1449 Posts
July 24 2009 16:56 GMT
#52
It is a cycle. Protoss is always the first good race. When the game is released Terran will suck and then we will find our emperor.
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ChessWhiz
Profile Joined November 2006
United States260 Posts
July 24 2009 16:59 GMT
#53
R is rally point. As a Toss, all you have to do is rally one gateway to the enemy, and wait for the gg.
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Sigh
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2433 Posts
July 24 2009 17:03 GMT
#54
ROFL AT THE NAMES HAHAHA
working insect, big space ship , underground conqueror LMFAO
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killanator
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States549 Posts
July 24 2009 17:07 GMT
#55
On July 24 2009 18:05 Skyze wrote:
sigh. since protoss are easy mode in BW, Guess thats why theres so many in the OSL/MSL finals right now..

And I guess thats why they have dominated almost every league from 2001 to 2007, winning 90% of them.

Oh wait..


It took me a while to realize you were joking.
DJ, put it back on!
stroggos
Profile Joined February 2009
New Zealand1543 Posts
July 24 2009 17:37 GMT
#56
On July 24 2009 21:35 Zabestrial wrote:
lmao insect worker.
sob im a hard core Zerg player and to
hear that in the current build of sc2 they suck?
Come on Blizzard if the units suck give the hatchery more larva.

'"sob" why Blizzard why! "sob"


-Zabestrial



you know you don't need to sign your name after you say something, your name is displayed at the top of your post everytime you post.

-stroggos
hi
Luddite
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2315 Posts
July 24 2009 17:45 GMT
#57
HAHAHA please blizzard, change Lurker to "underground conqueror" in the English version.
Can't believe I'm still here playing this same game
Ethelis
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2396 Posts
July 24 2009 18:01 GMT
#58
On July 25 2009 01:53 Garnet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2009 00:10 Liquid`NonY wrote:
SC1 protoss is 1r

And r means...


(P)BeSt 2 base arbitors of course......recall
Disabled gamer - Diamond 3 (LoL) D+ Rank scrublord on BW. Bisu doesnt need DTs, He uses probes. just ask Flash.
RoieTRS
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States2569 Posts
July 24 2009 18:04 GMT
#59
Korean boards seem so unorganized?
konadora, in Racenilatr's blog: "you need to stop thinking about starcraft or anything computer-related for that matter. It's becoming a bad addiction imo"
madnessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1581 Posts
July 24 2009 18:04 GMT
#60
AHAHAHA!

UNDERGROUND CONQUERER=lurker
Venomous Insect=baneling
Big Space Ship=carrier
"BIGTHING"=Collosus

it's cool that there is a korean version of starcraft but instead of making up shitty names blizzard should just sound out the english names using korean (like katakana in Japanese). so commentators get to say "stooooormu!" instead of "scary lightning"...
Zabestrial
Profile Joined June 2009
United States194 Posts
July 24 2009 18:05 GMT
#61
On July 25 2009 02:37 stroggos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2009 21:35 Zabestrial wrote:
lmao insect worker.
sob im a hard core Zerg player and to
hear that in the current build of sc2 they suck?
Come on Blizzard if the units suck give the hatchery more larva.

'"sob" why Blizzard why! "sob"


-Zabestrial



you know you don't need to sign your name after you say something, your name is displayed at the top of your post everytime you post.

-stroggos



i know but it feels like i have pride and i need all i can get after what they said about the zerg.


-Zabestrial
www.YouTube.com/BreakingHaven
dcttr66
Profile Joined October 2003
United States555 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-24 18:18:48
July 24 2009 18:17 GMT
#62
On July 24 2009 23:44 For_The_Swarm wrote:
            ==SC1====SC2==
Toss ---> 1a2a3a       1a


T_T

i'm not so sure about this.

people have been saying there is formation movement in sc2. if you can't turn it off(can in wc3) then you will have to use 1a2a3a for zealots, stalkers, immortals.

although there is that button to send command only to the tabbed group...what was it? ctrl maybe? lol i haven't used it. i should find out what it is, it could be useful even in warcraft 3.
dcttr66
Profile Joined October 2003
United States555 Posts
July 24 2009 18:32 GMT
#63
On July 25 2009 03:04 madnessman wrote:
AHAHAHA!

UNDERGROUND CONQUERER=lurker
Venomous Insect=baneling
Big Space Ship=carrier
"BIGTHING"=Collosus

it's cool that there is a korean version of starcraft but instead of making up shitty names blizzard should just sound out the english names using korean (like katakana in Japanese). so commentators get to say "stooooormu!" instead of "scary lightning"...

well some things are good to translate and some are not. you don't want to translate everything...but some stuff it's ok to translate. like a character name is probably a bad idea to translate that...but a unit name...that's a little different. it might depend on what unit it was.

anyway, "working insect" is what a drone is..so there's nothing wrong with that translation...

baneling, it's just a retarded name, imo, and venomous insect, that's well...is the explosion poisonous? looks like a kindof explosive acid or something to me... i don't get how it can be a VENOMOUS insect...venom is poison that comes through the teeth... i think acidic insect or something like that would be better...right? or maybe viral exploders or something...somthing that fits the name...

carrier is an alright name and i suppose big spaceship is ok...but they're totally different names! i don't like that. there's nothing wrong with the collosus name as far as i can tell...

lurker and underground conquerer do seem like different names...but i think it's probably ok in this instance...but wouldn't it be a better name for the infestor...since it can move around while burrowed? or can lurkers do this too?
geegee1
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States618 Posts
July 24 2009 19:32 GMT
#64
LOL 2 gas sure does make Leta happy
pew pew
zazen
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Brazil695 Posts
July 24 2009 19:34 GMT
#65
I'm always against translations in games, because a big part of it involves the translation of names, and they always fail to express the true meaning and sounding of the word in it's original language... I don't know, I think no matter what, no matter how accurate, you can never have a translation that is as good as the original, so why bother doing it? English makes things sound just better, I wouldn't ever play a portuguese version of SC2.

Korean netizen comments seem pretty positive, I'm really shocked by their response. That's a really good thing I guess.

People shouldn't worry too much about Z being weak on the current build... Balance comes and goes, I would be shitting my pants only if people expressed anger towards the core game mechanics, and that's not the case. Balance is really something easy to adjust by patching.
"The quest for nexus has brought many men of genius to insanity... HUEHUEHUE!"
stroggos
Profile Joined February 2009
New Zealand1543 Posts
July 24 2009 19:43 GMT
#66
as long as they dont change the naming for plagu im fine with these changes. Half the reason i watch starcraft is to hear commentators say plagu.
hi
Apex
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States7227 Posts
July 24 2009 19:57 GMT
#67
AHAHAHAHA The Korean names for the SC2 units are LOL-worthy. Big Space Ship? Underground Conquerer? Insect Worker? Imagine if the U.S names got changed into those.

Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
July 24 2009 20:26 GMT
#68
On July 25 2009 04:43 stroggos wrote:
as long as they dont change the naming for plagu im fine with these changes. Half the reason i watch starcraft is to hear commentators say plagu.

What is this plague you speak of, for there surely is none of that in SC2.
Rojam
Profile Joined September 2007
Germany234 Posts
July 24 2009 20:28 GMT
#69
Will there be more sc2 games tomorrow ?
beetlelisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Poland2276 Posts
July 24 2009 20:49 GMT
#70
On July 25 2009 01:59 ChessWhiz wrote:
R is rally point. As a Toss, all you have to do is rally one gateway to the enemy, and wait for the gg.


Not 1... all of them because of MBS xP

On July 24 2009 21:21 Manit0u wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2009 20:58 Konni wrote:
I'm wondering why blizzard would do such a bad job of translating the names... doesn't seem like them


Because it's not Blizzard that does the translation. It's the local developer. For example polish version of WC3 was absolutely brilliant in terms of translation (and I friggin hate localized game content), they even changed the unit jokes to fit our reality better.


Polish words are about 40% longer(I remember that from info about translating 8Mile), sentence structure is different... and to communicate with the rest of the world you need to know English names >.<
Even with the best translation, there will be no as strong, thrilling emotions, feelings contained even in the simple "yessir".
I like how Polish version of W40K II was done: audio lines of the characters weren't touched and Polish subtitles were simply added... it only misses repeat button P

On July 25 2009 03:32 dcttr66 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2009 03:04 madnessman wrote:
AHAHAHA!

UNDERGROUND CONQUERER=lurker
Venomous Insect=baneling
Big Space Ship=carrier
"BIGTHING"=Collosus

it's cool that there is a korean version of starcraft but instead of making up shitty names blizzard should just sound out the english names using korean (like katakana in Japanese). so commentators get to say "stooooormu!" instead of "scary lightning"...

well some things are good to translate and some are not. you don't want to translate everything...but some stuff it's ok to translate. like a character name is probably a bad idea to translate that...but a unit name...that's a little different. it might depend on what unit it was.

anyway, "working insect" is what a drone is..so there's nothing wrong with that translation...

baneling, it's just a retarded name, imo, and venomous insect, that's well...is the explosion poisonous? looks like a kindof explosive acid or something to me... i don't get how it can be a VENOMOUS insect...venom is poison that comes through the teeth... i think acidic insect or something like that would be better...right? or maybe
VIRAL
EXPLODERS

or something...somthing that fits the name...

carrier is an alright name and i suppose big spaceship is ok...but they're totally different names! i don't like that. there's nothing wrong with the collosus name as far as i can tell...

lurker and underground conquerer do seem like different names...but i think it's probably ok in this instance...but wouldn't it be a better name for the infestor...since it can move around while burrowed? or can lurkers do this too?


NOOOOO ROFL don't encourage theem!!!
wwww
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
July 24 2009 21:58 GMT
#71
lol at translated names
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
July 24 2009 22:26 GMT
#72
Love those name translations....working insect...
jtan
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden5891 Posts
July 24 2009 22:26 GMT
#73
looking forward to sc2 vods...

AAAAAHHHHH HOLD-UNDERGROUND-CONQUEROR !!!
Enter a Uh
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-24 22:34:45
July 24 2009 22:34 GMT
#74
Rekrul will have to change his name to Roreuqnoc Dnuorgrednu

that was hard to spell backwards
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
July 24 2009 22:52 GMT
#75
On July 25 2009 07:34 floor exercise wrote:
Rekrul will have to change his name to Roreuqnoc Dnuorgrednu

that was hard to spell backwards


lmao

This thread is win. I'm always excited when I see a Korean Netizen thread on the sidebar.
May the BeSt man win.
CongoJack
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada417 Posts
July 24 2009 23:03 GMT
#76
Omfg they must have hired a 8 year old to do the translations so stupid can't believe they would actually give them those names...
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
July 24 2009 23:06 GMT
#77
On July 25 2009 07:34 floor exercise wrote:
Rekrul will have to change his name to Roreuqnoc Dnuorgrednu

that was hard to spell backwards


hahah
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jjun212
Profile Joined December 2004
Canada2208 Posts
July 24 2009 23:32 GMT
#78
On July 24 2009 19:03 [X]Ken_D wrote:
By not changing the names, millions of Korean kids get free english lessons.


haha so true;
didnt they make a educational thing based off starcraft terms =D

woot, 1500!
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
July 24 2009 23:41 GMT
#79
I mean given how collosus is big thing and drones are insect workouts.... how exactly did lurker become underground conqueror???? LOL. Oh well, it's hilarious.
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33389 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-24 23:48:13
July 24 2009 23:46 GMT
#80
Okay, I appreciate people trying to explain to people why the Korean names are awful, but... If you translate something to another language, then translate it back to the original, it will ALWAYS sound much worse. It's very funny and entertaining, but it's not accurately representative AT ALL of how the unit names sound in Korean. They are bad, yes, but it's because of the nuances that can't be understood unless you know Korean.
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51451 Posts
July 25 2009 01:28 GMT
#81
On July 25 2009 08:46 Waxangel wrote:
Okay, I appreciate people trying to explain to people why the Korean names are awful, but... If you translate something to another language, then translate it back to the original, it will ALWAYS sound much worse. It's very funny and entertaining, but it's not accurately representative AT ALL of how the unit names sound in Korean. They are bad, yes, but it's because of the nuances that can't be understood unless you know Korean.


why can't they just hangulize the english names ;;

i'm pretty sure all koreans know what a 저그링 is rather than a whatever its called in sc2.
Commentator
Archaic
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States4024 Posts
July 25 2009 01:34 GMT
#82
Hahahahaha, this is so great!
zoLo
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States5896 Posts
July 25 2009 02:29 GMT
#83
On July 24 2009 17:38 MrHoon wrote:
Netizen
The game looks much cooler than SC1
Netizen
SC1 is 10 fucking years old you dumbshit ofcourse it looks cooler.
Netizen
"Big Space Ship" = Carrier LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

LMFAO, those are my favorite comments.
Sonu
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada577 Posts
July 25 2009 02:39 GMT
#84
The best solution is to have english units but with a Korean Main interface IMO.
"I really like this wall-in, because its not a fucking wall" - DAy[9]
deathgod6
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States5064 Posts
July 25 2009 03:51 GMT
#85
MrHoon's signature netizen comments! So awesome!!! :D
4.0 GPA = A rank 5.0 GPA = Olympic --------- Bisu, Best, Fantasy. i ♥ oov. They can get in my BoxeR anyday.
FaZ-
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States187 Posts
July 25 2009 04:05 GMT
#86
"SC2 has one race only, Protoss. The game is fucking built for protoss players."

See guys, I told you they'd keep some things like the original!
FirstBorn
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Romania3955 Posts
July 25 2009 06:45 GMT
#87
I don't really understand why they can't keep the names from the original version and just modify the interface. I'm not a big fan of other language versions either. The target audience for the game are teenagers and young people and they shouldn't have big problems with understanding english.

Besides, the names are hillarious. Massing " BIG SPACE SHIPS" is going to be really awesome now.
SonuvBob: Yes, the majority of TL is college-aged, and thus clearly stupid.
danl9rm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States3111 Posts
July 25 2009 07:09 GMT
#88
so, is anyone else going to tell your friend over vent to "get some underground conquerors" while playing a 2v2?


"sigh, No! You're worthless to me beginning game. Just canon up and tech to big space ships!"

as an aside. i apologize now for all american developers that have ever ripped up your native language. a moment of silence.

...
...
"Science has so well established that the preborn baby in the womb is a living human being that most pro-choice activists have conceded the point. ..since the abortion proponents have lost the science argument, they are now advocating an existential one."
Etherone
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1898 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-25 09:25:02
July 25 2009 09:24 GMT
#89
lool "he is going Bigthings into mass big space ships"
Bosu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3247 Posts
July 25 2009 09:43 GMT
#90
Reminds me of the name changes in warcraft 3 for TFT.

They changed Gyrocopter to flying machine and wyvern to wind rider. No idea why they would do that.
#1 Kwanro Fan
jello24
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada327 Posts
July 25 2009 10:07 GMT
#91
wow the first two netizens just made my day....

are they really all this foul-mouthed? its like they call each other "dumb-shit" every time they exchange words...
just lurking around...
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
July 25 2009 10:28 GMT
#92
omg the korean translated names commetns are friggin hilarious
Graphicssavior[gm] : What is a “yawn” rape ;; Masumune - It was the year of the pig for those fucking defilers. Chill - A clinic you say? okum: SC without Korean yelling is like porn without sex. konamix: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOMMY!
Daewon
Profile Joined October 2008
127 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-25 10:32:20
July 25 2009 10:31 GMT
#93
On July 25 2009 18:43 Bosu wrote:
Reminds me of the name changes in warcraft 3 for TFT.

They changed Gyrocopter to flying machine and wyvern to wind rider. No idea why they would do that.


The copying probably became too obvious:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1300277&prodId=prod780900&rootCatGameStyle=

;-)
spkim1
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada286 Posts
July 25 2009 10:32 GMT
#94
The commentators in Proleague should just ignore the translated names. Or face a drastic drop in 시청률
"Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new" - Einstein, Albert
Ricjames
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Czech Republic1047 Posts
July 25 2009 12:32 GMT
#95
Ok now i am sick of that protoss 1a2a3a bullshit. Protoss might be the easiest race to bash noobs, but it is the hardest race to master. Why can't people just go with: all the races are balanced! Isn't that actually why is SC1 the best RTS game??? Maybe maps are imba, but not the races.
Brood War is the best RTS that has ever been created.
poilord
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Germany3252 Posts
July 25 2009 12:39 GMT
#96
The discussion about the unit names reminds me of the German version of Broodwar. Good times...
I think everyone in his right mind will get the English version in the end after all.
lazz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia3119 Posts
July 25 2009 12:45 GMT
#97
OMG I AM LAUGHING SO HARD AT THE KOREAN NAMES!

blizz definitely needs to add a mode with korean names so we can have our carriers named big space ship if we want!

petition anyone?
Shade692003
Profile Joined August 2005
Canada702 Posts
July 25 2009 13:20 GMT
#98
On July 25 2009 19:31 Daewon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2009 18:43 Bosu wrote:
Reminds me of the name changes in warcraft 3 for TFT.

They changed Gyrocopter to flying machine and wyvern to wind rider. No idea why they would do that.


The copying probably became too obvious:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1300277&prodId=prod780900&rootCatGameStyle=

;-)


ehhh... no.

IIRC, they actually kept the names in the original RoC, so I doubt the issue was anything legal. I wouldn't be surprised it just that Blizzard thought the names were cooler.
I hate the post below mine because it feels War3-ish.
SoulMarine
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States586 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-25 13:41:35
July 25 2009 13:35 GMT
#99
[rant]
On July 24 2009 19:33 Tyraz wrote:
Lol i seriously wonder why you'd change the names!? I mean god... most of the names don't mean anything to us ether!? [b]Lol whats a baneling.. zellot... vulture...[b] Also, if they're going to change unit names, why not go all out and change the Race names too? I mean god, they're just as indecipherable as the Unit names!?


If god you'd god want god people god to god take god you god seriously, you might want to clean up your english!?
It seems you don't play SC because you ask what Banelings, "Zelllots" and Vultures are!?
The Korean unit names are funny, and if they put big space ship in the english version, I would laugh a whole lot!?

and don't sign your posts (in the future), I see new people do that alot whats the point of signing if

1.) you are not an admin

2.) we can see your username right there above your posts.

3.) it's not like you just wrote up an article.


GAHH
[end rant]


I think the korean names are hilarious. I want to go play a game with big space ships and underground conquerers.


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MidKnight
Profile Joined December 2008
Lithuania884 Posts
July 25 2009 14:18 GMT
#100
On July 25 2009 04:43 stroggos wrote:
as long as they dont change the naming for plagu im fine with these changes. Half the reason i watch starcraft is to hear commentators say plagu.


You made me lol pretty hard
Daewon
Profile Joined October 2008
127 Posts
July 25 2009 14:33 GMT
#101

ehhh... no.

IIRC, they actually kept the names in the original RoC, so I doubt the issue was anything legal. I wouldn't be surprised it just that Blizzard thought the names were cooler.


The fact that they keept the names in RoC doesn't mean it couldn't be anything legal. Doesn't make sense at all to change names for units after so long, just because you come up with a new one (not to mention flying machine sounds pretty awful imo). I'm guessing they were either approached by GW or asked themselves if a namechange wouldn't be the safest way. Ohwell I guess it's all speculation :-)
Eury
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden1126 Posts
July 25 2009 15:03 GMT
#102
Last time I checked Gyrocopters and Wyverns were still the unit names in the latest RoC patch.
stroggos
Profile Joined February 2009
New Zealand1543 Posts
July 25 2009 15:10 GMT
#103
On July 25 2009 21:32 Ricjames wrote:
Ok now i am sick of that protoss 1a2a3a bullshit. Protoss might be the easiest race to bash noobs, but it is the hardest race to master. Why can't people just go with: all the races are balanced! Isn't that actually why is SC1 the best RTS game??? Maybe maps are imba, but not the races.



lol protoss hardest race to master? None of the races are masterable but saying protoss is the hardest hardest to master makes me lol.
hi
lazz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia3119 Posts
July 25 2009 15:45 GMT
#104
for fucks sake the game's been out for 11 years could you children stop bickering about which race takes moar skillzzzz

Fuck.
Mongery
Profile Joined May 2009
892 Posts
July 25 2009 17:38 GMT
#105
nice one, a bit funny guy tho
http://www.twitch.tv/mongery_tv https://www.esportsearnings.com/players/27699-mongery-
foeffa
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Belgium2115 Posts
July 25 2009 19:02 GMT
#106
Tx for the translation.
觀過斯知仁矣.
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
July 25 2009 19:41 GMT
#107
On July 26 2009 00:45 lazz wrote:
for fucks sake the game's been out for 11 years could you children stop bickering about which race takes moar skillzzzz

Fuck.



lol says the toss xD
its ok all the races will be easy mode in sc2
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
MamiyaOtaru
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1687 Posts
July 25 2009 22:06 GMT
#108
On July 25 2009 22:35 SoulMarine wrote:
It seems you don't play SC because you ask what Banelings, "Zelllots" and Vultures are!?

It was a rhetorical question, pointing out that the english names don't necessarily mean anything either (though he does seem unaware that the word "zealot" existed long before Blizzard). Rant is weak
Tyraz
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
New Zealand310 Posts
July 25 2009 22:12 GMT
#109
On July 25 2009 22:35 SoulMarine wrote:
[rant]
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2009 19:33 Tyraz wrote:
Lol i seriously wonder why you'd change the names!? I mean god... most of the names don't mean anything to us ether!? [b]Lol whats a baneling.. zellot... vulture...[b] Also, if they're going to change unit names, why not go all out and change the Race names too? I mean god, they're just as indecipherable as the Unit names!?


If god you'd god want god people god to god take god you god seriously, you might want to clean up your english!?
It seems you don't play SC because you ask what Banelings, "Zelllots" and Vultures are!?
The Korean unit names are funny, and if they put big space ship in the english version, I would laugh a whole lot!?

and don't sign your posts (in the future), I see new people do that alot whats the point of signing if

1.) you are not an admin

2.) we can see your username right there above your posts.

3.) it's not like you just wrote up an article.


GAHH
[end rant]


I think the korean names are hilarious. I want to go play a game with big space ships and underground conquerers.



Lol i don't know about you, but it made perfect sense to me... I didn't sign my post.... And i do play SC... And since your obviously so much more enlightened than me, would you like to share with the group what 'Banelings, Zellosts and Vultures are in relation to the English language? My point is, they're just as meaningless in Korean as they are in English. Prehapse its just your fanatical SC fan-boy heart that makes you assume that those words have always been an essential part of the English language. So, before StarCraft, what exactly is this meaning that my noobie brain obviously cannot fathom?
100% Pure.
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
July 25 2009 22:23 GMT
#110
On July 26 2009 07:12 Tyraz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2009 22:35 SoulMarine wrote:
[rant]
On July 24 2009 19:33 Tyraz wrote:
Lol i seriously wonder why you'd change the names!? I mean god... most of the names don't mean anything to us ether!? [b]Lol whats a baneling.. zellot... vulture...[b] Also, if they're going to change unit names, why not go all out and change the Race names too? I mean god, they're just as indecipherable as the Unit names!?


If god you'd god want god people god to god take god you god seriously, you might want to clean up your english!?
It seems you don't play SC because you ask what Banelings, "Zelllots" and Vultures are!?
The Korean unit names are funny, and if they put big space ship in the english version, I would laugh a whole lot!?

and don't sign your posts (in the future), I see new people do that alot whats the point of signing if

1.) you are not an admin

2.) we can see your username right there above your posts.

3.) it's not like you just wrote up an article.


GAHH
[end rant]


I think the korean names are hilarious. I want to go play a game with big space ships and underground conquerers.



Lol i don't know about you, but it made perfect sense to me... I didn't sign my post.... And i do play SC... And since your obviously so much more enlightened than me, would you like to share with the group what 'Banelings, Zellosts and Vultures are in relation to the English language? My point is, they're just as meaningless in Korean as they are in English. Prehapse its just your fanatical SC fan-boy heart that makes you assume that those words have always been an essential part of the English language. So, before StarCraft, what exactly is this meaning that my noobie brain obviously cannot fathom?


Gladly.

The whole point of language is to communicate things between people. This also gives the side effect of giving "things" an identity by naming them. Calling something "Big Thing" doesn't have the same impact as naming something "Colossus." Big thing is generally an adjective, Colossus can be used as a noun and gives something identity.

You tell someone who plays SC HEY LOOK AT THE ZEALOT they will know exactly what you are talking about. Language is very rarely meaningless.
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
DeCoup
Profile Joined September 2006
Australia1933 Posts
July 25 2009 22:42 GMT
#111
On July 26 2009 07:12 Tyraz wrote:Lol i don't know about you, but it made perfect sense to me... I didn't sign my post.... And i do play SC... And since your obviously so much more enlightened than me, would you like to share with the group what 'Banelings, Zellosts and Vultures are in relation to the English language? My point is, they're just as meaningless in Korean as they are in English. Prehapse its just your fanatical SC fan-boy heart that makes you assume that those words have always been an essential part of the English language. So, before StarCraft, what exactly is this meaning that my noobie brain obviously cannot fathom?


Dictionary.com is your friend.

Baneling
+ Show Spoiler +

Bane
–noun
1. a person or thing that ruins or spoils: Gambling was the bane of his existence.
2. a deadly poison (often used in combination, as in the names of poisonous plants): wolfsbane; henbane.
3. death; destruction; ruin.
4. Obsolete. that which causes death or destroys life: entrapped and drowned beneath the watery bane.
Origin:
bef. 1000; ME; OE bana slayer; c. ON bani death, murderer, OFris bona murder, OS bano murderer, OHG bano slayer, bana death; akin to OE benn, Goth banja wound

-ling
a suffix of nouns, often pejorative, denoting one concerned with (hireling; underling), or diminutive (princeling; duckling).

Seems pretty straight forward to me.

Zealot
+ Show Spoiler +
Zealot
1. a person who shows zeal.
2. an excessively zealous person; fanatic.
3. (initial capital letter) a member of a radical, warlike, ardently patriotic group of Jews in Judea, particularly prominent from a.d. 69 to 81, advocating the violent overthrow of Roman rule and vigorously resisting the efforts of the Romans and their supporters to heathenize the Jews.

It can be argued if the use of this word is reference to the zeal these units show in battle (1/2) or a reference to the military group(3).

Vulture
+ Show Spoiler +
Vulture
–noun
1. any of several large, primarily carrion-eating Old World birds of prey of the family Accipitridae, often having a naked head and less powerful feet than those of the related hawks and eagles.
2. any of several superficially similar New World birds of the family Cathartidae, as the turkey vulture.
3. a person or thing that preys, esp. greedily or unscrupulously: That vulture would sell out his best friend.

As you are probably aware, a lot of military and commercial air vehicles (and even ground) are named after birds. Eg Bowing, Nigthawk, and even 'Bird of Prey' from Star Trek (lol).
"Poor guy. I really did not deserve that win. So this is what it's like to play Protoss..." - IdrA
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