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VIB
Brazil3567 Posts
On February 19 2009 07:26 sashkata wrote: How does any of these stop you from doing a cloak zealot rush? By the time you built 3 zealots you already have a dark pylon with some energy in it.You need a gateway before you can make a dark pylon and I doubt it comes with 200/200 energy. | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
On February 19 2009 07:54 VIB wrote: How does any of these stop you from doing a cloak zealot rush? By the time you built 3 zealots you already have a dark pylon with some energy in it. Yes, let's all make wild speculations about balance. | ||
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wrags
United States379 Posts
On February 19 2009 07:32 ShadowDrgn wrote: As far as I know, the gas mechanic was removed a long time ago. Bases still have 2 geysers, but they don't deplete after 500 gas anymore. source? | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
On February 19 2009 07:54 VIB wrote: How does any of these stop you from doing a cloak zealot rush? By the time you built 3 zealots you already have a dark pylon with some energy in it. Please remember as well that the cloak was said to be "very short" in duration. | ||
Last Romantic
United States20661 Posts
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VIB
Brazil3567 Posts
On February 19 2009 07:55 Jyvblamo wrote: Oh c'mon, it's fun :D What else could we do with this info? Speculate the release date? ><Yes, let's all make wild speculations about balance. On February 19 2009 07:59 Osmoses wrote: I know that's what I wanted to know now. Does it last long enough for 3 zealots to kill a spawning pool? Long enough for a probe go from all the way from your base to the enemy to scout? Or just long enough to bypass the front lines?Please remember as well that the cloak was said to be "very short" in duration. On February 19 2009 08:00 Last Romantic wrote: You cannot drop guardians Unsure why there's both lurker and guardian now. O-O~  and remember there is no irradiate now so guardians are proly much harder to counter than lurkers if the T don't scout it early. Main point is: guards and lurkers clearly have very different counters, so depending on how the tvz meta game develops either one or the other could prove more useful. | ||
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ShadowDrgn
United States2497 Posts
On February 19 2009 07:53 Ideas wrote: a player can permanently cloak his army What, like an arbiter? At Blizzcon, one of the Blizzard people told me that the build we were playing was slightly old and that they had already removed the gas mechanic from their internal builds. Considering it's been 4 months and they haven't mentioned it being removed (I guess? I don't read all the news), maybe it's speculation on my part. | ||
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Archerofaiur
United States4101 Posts
They were in Starcraft all along!!! | ||
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Cpt.Cocaine
Canada299 Posts
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Chuiu
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VIB
Brazil3567 Posts
On February 19 2009 08:21 Chuiu wrote: Why?Starcraft was easy to learn difficult to master. Starcraft 2 is starting to sound like its difficult to learn and easy to master. It's not like you NEED to learn to use dark pylons and perfect mutate larvae timings to pwn nubs on bnet. | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
Not bad strange just, unusual strange.Possibly bad strange but not necessarily, anyway. On February 19 2009 08:21 Chuiu wrote: Starcraft was easy to learn difficult to master. Starcraft 2 is starting to sound like its difficult to learn and easy to master. .. You have provided 0 reasoning as to why this would be the case, and the game isn't even in beta. So even if you had made something more than a one-liner of a post, your evidence as for why you think so, would be shaky at best. | ||
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Retsukage
United States1002 Posts
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Amarxist
United States371 Posts
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
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Ideas
United States8142 Posts
On February 19 2009 08:10 ShadowDrgn wrote: What, like an arbiter? At Blizzcon, one of the Blizzard people told me that the build we were playing was slightly old and that they had already removed the gas mechanic from their internal builds. Considering it's been 4 months and they haven't mentioned it being removed (I guess? I don't read all the news), maybe it's speculation on my part. lol i kinda forgot about that. but still no arb to kill | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On February 19 2009 08:24 FrozenArbiter wrote: The idea of lurkers being anti-armored units as opposed to anti infantry is strange Not bad strange just, unusual strange.Possibly bad strange but not necessarily, anyway. .. You have provided 0 reasoning as to why this would be the case, and the game isn't even in beta. So even if you had made something more than a one-liner of a post, your evidence as for why you think so, would be shaky at best. basically the way I see it, is you remove SBS and replace it with MBS, so starcraft feels more modern, and its more easy/attractive for casual players. But then you realize that MBS lowers the skill ceiling and damages competitive play. So you bring in new gas mechanics, dark pylons, calldowns etc. Unfortunately, in order to be effective (in order to re-raise the skill ceiling), they have to provide an advantage to competitive players over casual players (SBS rewards the competitive player by giving him units faster, and no automine+SBS rewards with a better economy to the competitive player). So now you have the same situation as before, i.e., in order to work as effectively as SBS did in terms of skill ceiling, these new mechanics have to provide the same gap as SBS did. So now you have the same drawbacks that SBS did, you try to do essentially the same thing (in a different way), and its even less intuitive. Its easy for a casual player to understand that they have to click on an individual building to use it. Its not so easy to remember the gas mechanic (and its timing), dark pylons, call downs, etc. If anything, as a casual player, now you have to keep track of two internal macro timers instead of one. In addition to remembering when a production round has ended, you must also remember when the dark pylon etc have exited cooldown or built up enough energy. You end up with the same drawbacks and benefits, but less intuitively, and less natural | ||
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feathers
United States236 Posts
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Spawkuring
United States755 Posts
On February 19 2009 08:53 fusionsdf wrote: You end up with the same drawbacks and benefits, but less intuitively, and less natural I'm not sure where you get that from. What exactly makes the mechanics less intuitive and natural? Just because everything is complicated at first glance doesn't necessarily mean it's hard to learn. The Dark Pylon for example is very simple: Cast AoE, Workers mine more. Cast cloak, unit is cloaked. In fact, nearly all of the mechanics mentioned have a simple cast+effect that doesn't require any large degree of thought. If you want to MASTER the abilities, then of course it's going to be complicated, but all competitive games are like that. The only mechanic that I would agree is unintuitive is the gas mechanic, but so far we haven't heard any updates on it. I certainly wouldn't call the rest of them any harder to learn than it is to use a caster like a High Templar. | ||
Excalibur_Z
United States12238 Posts
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