Okay sorry for the bump, but Nyovne linked this on the newest sc2 vs bw flame thread..

Read most of it and I gotta say, a lot of what Nyovne predicted hit the nail on the head. Loled a little when he said he was glad there was no weird kind of 'hero' unit. Anyways great read (everyone on TL should at least skim through this.. gives a lot of good perspective) and its funny to see how pretty much everything he said in '08 is still relevant.

Zeon0

Austria2995 Posts

October 28 2011 22:41 GMT

#145

he is right in so many points, nice read.

my favorite one was the reaver > colossi flame :D

fant0m

964 Posts

October 29 2011 00:08 GMT

#146

On October 29 2011 07:41 Zeon0 wrote:
he is right in so many points, nice read.

my favorite one was the reaver > colossi flame :D

The no scourge rant really hit home.

jinixxx123

543 Posts

October 29 2011 00:13 GMT

#147

seems like one big troll post for why BW> SC2, if this post was from a guy like me i would be instantly banned because there seems to be no tolerance around here for trolling, yet when its comes from a mod its allowed?

news flash, sc2 is already bigger than Broodwar as an Esport , Sure it might not be doing "as well" in korea when compared to BW, but everywhere else it has blown everybodys expectations into the ground, Call me when broodwar does this , ill be waiting.

User was temp banned for this post.

MetalLobster

Canada532 Posts

October 29 2011 00:19 GMT

#148

On October 29 2011 09:13 jinixxx123 wrote:
seems like one big troll post for why BW> SC2, if this post was from a guy like me i would be instantly banned because there seems to be no tolerance around here for trolling, yet when its comes from a mod its allowed?

news flash, sc2 is already bigger than Broodwar as an Esport , Sure it might not be doing "as well" in korea when compared to BW, but everywhere else it has blown everybodys expectations into the ground, Call me when broodwar does this , ill be waiting.

This was a post created 3 years ago. Did you really need to bring a "SC2 is bigger than BW" here?

jinixxx123

543 Posts

October 29 2011 00:22 GMT

#149

On October 29 2011 09:19 MetalLobster wrote:

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This was a post created 3 years ago. Did you really need to bring a "SC2 is bigger than BW" here?

im mainly replying to the guys that have recently posted in this thread with comments like "i agree etc".

Captain Peabody

United States3099 Posts

October 29 2011 00:31 GMT

#150

I remember reading this when it first came out. It was sooooo exciting then because it was pretty much one of the first real analyses of the game by someone who knew what they were talking about. And it may have also played a role in getting the macro mechanics added as well (at least, the argument made in this article about macro is what Dustin Browder said persuaded him to add them, whether or not anyone at Blizzard ever actually read it).

Of course, that being said, this was written three years ago, years before the game came out and before any macro mechanics had been added, after paltry hours of playtime at a convention...so it really doesn't have much in the way of valid insights about SC2 as it exists now.

If you try to turn this thread into a BW vs SC2 thing, or worse, actually try to prove a point using this article as an authority, I will slap you with a herring.

MetalLobster

Canada532 Posts

October 29 2011 00:36 GMT

#151

On October 29 2011 09:22 jinixxx123 wrote:

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im mainly replying to the guys that have recently posted in this thread with comments like "i agree etc".

/facepalm sry I didn't notice

regardless I'm getting sick of this SC2 vs BW argument. The following just needs to be QFT and accepted:

- SC2 is bigger than BW, in terms of fan-base, support etv.
- BW is a more balanced game and takes more skill

Ruscour

5233 Posts

October 29 2011 00:36 GMT

#152

As good as the OP is I do not foresee anything but badness (couldn't think of what other word to use here) in subsequent posts.

SoFool

Malaysia96 Posts

October 29 2011 01:19 GMT

#153

agree on the scourge and reaver, they really got e-sports value

iamke55

United States2806 Posts

October 29 2011 01:29 GMT

#154

I thought for sure that this would be a TI bump when I clicked.

FeyFey

Germany10114 Posts

October 29 2011 02:36 GMT

#155

With HotS coming up the old bw sc2 graves are opened up all over the place. and sc2 is a typical Blizzard the next part. Feels like the part before but plays differently in so many ways. Makes you want to play both games every now and then. Guess if you don't like lots of innovations you should stick with ea games, Blizzard is clearly the wrong address for games then.
People acted like blizzard wouldn't know that selecting multiple buildings would make the game easier back then and that they would just let it go, you noticed asap that this wasn't the case.

Anyway in 25 years when we discuss about sc3 being better then sc4, because sc4 uses neural link tech which makes the game to easy. We can discuss what game was better sc1:bw or sc2 WoL or HotS or LotV(whatever of the 3 parts will make it in multiplayer, i hope its WoL for now

)
For now i will enjoy both games while there are people playing them

. Though currently i play D1 again >.<

happyness

United States2400 Posts

October 29 2011 02:48 GMT

#156

The macro and micro criticisms were (and still are) overblown. Nobody is close to perfect on either still and won't be for some time.

Though this still rings too true:

- Reavers are so much more exciting to use let alone see in action then Collossi.

The Colossus has proven to be such a terrible unit. I wish blizzard would have seen this earlier on.

Nyovne

Netherlands19135 Posts

November 07 2011 16:18 GMT

#157

Oh lol I missed this getting bumped.

On October 29 2011 09:31 Captain Peabody wrote:
And it may have also played a role in getting the macro mechanics added as well (at least, the argument made in this article about macro is what Dustin Browder said persuaded him to add them, whether or not anyone at Blizzard ever actually read it).

If I added to that I submit myself to ritual sacrifice by the community

. But rereading this made me tingle a bit to write something about HotS and how certain things worked out for SC2. Might be interesting if I get around to it this week or the next. Would make a decent blog I'd wager.