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Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7094 Posts
February 27 2026 09:23 GMT
#41
On February 25 2026 04:51 DR wrote:
PvT just has become broken around midmasters. Terran got no harassoptions anymore. Toss can expand freely while also pressuring harcore with mass gateways...chargelots and prism...unplayable on this level. Just sucks that Terrans are still winning tourneys have been winning for decades.......


Terran has literally hundreds of harass options.
Sounds like you hit your personal ceiling there is all.
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
BlackEyed
Profile Joined October 2024
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20 hours ago
#42
Oh, these devotees of everything old and “good,” who remember only the positives and ignore the downsides. Maybe I should remind you how random the game was with 6 starting workers? If you guessed the build wrong, at best you played from behind — and at worst you just lost outright. I don’t know about you, but to me randomness is not what a skill-based game needs. Not to mention other drawbacks, like the fact that every game started with two minutes of AFK time where all you did was build workers. Not exactly exciting for an esports title.

The arguments that the game has lost elements of strategy are partly true, but that’s not because of the number of starting workers — it’s because of terrible unit design. The most obvious example is the Oracle, which in PvZ can practically do everything at once. It harasses, scouts, and defends. That level of versatility is unacceptable for healthy gameplay. One poorly designed unit has nearly killed the strategic depth of an entire matchup. Add to that the bad design of Zerg — namely that they have only one ground unit that can shoot air, and overly versatile Queens — and you get a very sad situation. Terran has the same problem with diminished strategic depth, just for a different reason. Yes, they have many openings, but essentially they all boil down to Factory → Starport. And that’s because there simply aren’t other tech buildings. Terran doesn’t really need to think about which tech path to take, since those two buildings concentrate the entire technological potential of the race. Terran always builds a Factory and a Starport by default and, if necessary, just adds units from them. What strategy are we even talking about?

In the end, to make the game feel alive, we shouldn’t invent abstract, ephemeral concepts — we should simply work on it and develop it. Release bold patches, regularly shift the meta, add and remove units if necessary, give each race at least one additional building and move part of their tech potential there. No other measures will revive SC2 or change anything. Everyone brings up SC1 as an example, saying it hasn’t been updated for decades and everything is fine. But in reality, nothing is fine — the game was simply lucky to freeze in a more successful meta than SC2. That doesn’t make it alive. So only Blizzard can revive the game, but since SC2 is not economically viable as a project, that’s unlikely to happen.
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