EPT* Cyclone attacks 20% too fast
* Cyclone attacks immediately after lock-on instead of after 1 second
* Mothership "shoots" but doesn't do damage at max range
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InfCereal
Canada1759 Posts
* Cyclone attacks 20% too fast * Cyclone attacks immediately after lock-on instead of after 1 second * Mothership "shoots" but doesn't do damage at max range | ||
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ejozl
Denmark3383 Posts
If it were the free units themselves, we would see complaining about auto turrets, changelings and hallucinations as well. As for the cyclone, I think it's only a heated debate now because of the bug and the fact that ppl are now trying it out. after that it will become a one unit to get, or even none at all. But the fact that it exists limits star gate options. And so we can ask ourselves, does it make sense to have a unit in the game, which only purpose is to limit options, leading to less dynamic play? As for the map discussion, this sparked an idea in my head. Mb it's time for the tournament organizers to randomize the maps for each game, no map can be repeated, and if one turns out to be too imbalanced in a matchup, screwing up tournament play, they simply ban it. I don't know, seems kind of fun. Then it would also be possible to announce the map list the day prior, if you're going into another tournament day, and players could then plan accordingly, giving tournaments more of a proleague feeling. | ||
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ejozl
Denmark3383 Posts
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ejozl
Denmark3383 Posts
It's always funny to hear casters talking about how shit previous metas were, while when they were in it, they didn't say anything against it at all. It's not to trash them, but not speaking out has consequences, and tricking yourself is even worse. Though, to blindly listen to casters is the even bigger mistake. The serral vs. maru era was an exciting time and we were happy to see sc2 finally get bonjwa level of players, but this was honestly only possible because protoss in the same year got gimped. If you only have to practice 2x matchups for real, it makes it waaay easier to stay consistent. And sadly it's been the same since, barring on the void ray patch, and the one after it. We tricked ourselves into thinking that maru and serral were so much ahead of the curve that the game should be balanced with serral and maru winning as part of it. With it followed a slew of other Terran and zerg champions, because guess what, they aren't so ahead of the curve as we thought. | ||
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Balnazza
Germany1178 Posts
As for the map discussion, this sparked an idea in my head. Mb it's time for the tournament organizers to randomize the maps for each game, no map can be repeated, and if one turns out to be too imbalanced in a matchup, screwing up tournament play, they simply ban it. I don't know, seems kind of fun. Then it would also be possible to announce the map list the day prior, if you're going into another tournament day, and players could then plan accordingly, giving tournaments more of a proleague feeling. Maybe I'm just old-fashioned, but that sounds like a terrible idea. Map-Vetoes are part of the process and the "strategy". I just think it is a bit harder to balance out maps for three races and still keep them interesting compared to for example WC3 with 4. And "takin the map out" doesn't really help a player who just lost a tournament to the new mappool. It's always funny to hear casters talking about how shit previous metas were, while when they were in it, they didn't say anything against it at all. It's not to trash them, but not speaking out has consequences, and tricking yourself is even worse. Though, to blindly listen to casters is the even bigger mistake. When I started my casting-career back in the day, I remember that I did a replaycast for a game and it was horrible. One player basically just towered from his base to his opponents base. It was an awful game to cast and I didn't spare my criticsm on it, I was full on "this is prime bs"-mode. A fellow caster later on told me how exhausting it was to listen to this, so I looked into it again and he was right - my cast made the already bad game significantly worse. And that is why casters don't do that in shoutcasts and why they always seem hyped about the game and the meta, atleast during a broadcast. Because it is their job to entertain us and it isn't entertaining to hear someone whine about the meta...especially if they do that all day. We tricked ourselves into thinking that maru and serral were so much ahead of the curve that the game should be balanced with serral and maru winning as part of it. With it followed a slew of other Terran and zerg champions, because guess what, they aren't so ahead of the curve as we thought. I think it is more than fair and save to say that Serral and Maru were completly ahead of the curve. And yes, if they are, the game should be balanced so that it is a part of it. Because if you balance the game only so that the one or two best player(s) don't dominate, you essentially kill any competitive thought behind it. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25331 Posts
On December 06 2024 17:23 ejozl wrote: I also think the best thing from these horrendous patches has been the discussion around it. Casters will often trick themselves into thinking the game is perfectly balanced and that it is always the most exciting time right now, because their job is to be excited and non-biased. If a caster thinks something is wrong with the game, it would convince some ppl that mb it's not the greatest thing ever, which would, I guess "harm" the game? It's always funny to hear casters talking about how shit previous metas were, while when they were in it, they didn't say anything against it at all. It's not to trash them, but not speaking out has consequences, and tricking yourself is even worse. Though, to blindly listen to casters is the even bigger mistake. The serral vs. maru era was an exciting time and we were happy to see sc2 finally get bonjwa level of players, but this was honestly only possible because protoss in the same year got gimped. If you only have to practice 2x matchups for real, it makes it waaay easier to stay consistent. And sadly it's been the same since, barring on the void ray patch, and the one after it. We tricked ourselves into thinking that maru and serral were so much ahead of the curve that the game should be balanced with serral and maru winning as part of it. With it followed a slew of other Terran and zerg champions, because guess what, they aren't so ahead of the curve as we thought. Those two are/have been ahead of the curve for long periods compared to some of their racial peers to be fair. As per usual I think you’re being hyperbolic and unrealistic about Toss prospects. | ||
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allmotor1
153 Posts
On December 03 2024 22:28 DeeJae_ wrote: fking fix cyclone ffs. the game is unplayable I've been out of the loop, what's up with the cyclones? When I get protoss all I know is, I am usually able to stop double fac cyclone but past few games, I just could not stop them... | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
On December 07 2024 03:34 allmotor1 wrote: I've been out of the loop, what's up with the cyclones? When I get protoss all I know is, I am usually able to stop double fac cyclone but past few games, I just could not stop them... Simply put they are bugged and dealing a lot more damage than they should be right now. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25331 Posts
On December 07 2024 06:16 Vindicare605 wrote: Simply put they are bugged and dealing a lot more damage than they should be right now. It’s fixed now though isn’t it? Least what I read Also @allmotor they changed the Cyclone back to the old version, the one that required a tech lab. So that older iteration has returned. Whatever happened in swapping back to that they introduced a bug so it was the old Cyclone but on steroids and its DPS was noticeably higher than intended. So a brief period of misery for many, a bunch of Terran cyclone abusers who’ve pushed their MMR into realms it has no business being. But from what I’m reading it’s fixed now, and those Terrans will be stomped back to where they should be, so all is right with the world | ||
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ejozl
Denmark3383 Posts
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12177 Posts
On November 27 2024 03:22 Nebuchad wrote: Fairly certain that protoss is the best race now, especially in combination with the new maps that are less terran favored. Maybe Maxpax wins the next ESL thingy, how about that. Did I nail this, I think I nailed this. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25331 Posts
Think it’s premature, Toss doing well in weeklies isn’t exactly unheard of. I’m definitely interested to see how it goes when/if more regular larger tournies start up again | ||
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