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On October 30 2024 06:28 Balnazza wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2024 01:47 ProTech1 wrote:On October 30 2024 01:40 WombaT wrote:On October 30 2024 01:24 ProTech1 wrote:On October 30 2024 01:17 WombaT wrote:On October 30 2024 01:03 ProTech1 wrote:On October 30 2024 01:01 WombaT wrote:
Why would it turn into a huge issue?
What is even the solution?
You want to be able to block servers, for legitimate QoL reasons, ok fair enough. But you’re having issues from other people blocking servers? You should watch the video I edited into the OP. Let's say for example you're at 4000 MMR, and start playing the game. All I need to do is send you a message to see your search box, and queue up at the same time you are, and unless you find a different player your game will never start. Other games such as league of legends and CSGO have already had this type of trolling, the issue would be for the game company to follow suite and implement the same preventive measures. Ok that seems reasonable, although I will still say I think it’s a very niche issue It's niche for now, but as I mentioned previously in the thread there are in fact other streamers who deal with the same thing. They're just not big streamers, so it isn't real. The point being (if you watched the video) it's a clear problem that shouldn't exist in the game, niche or not. I'd also like to point this out, when you get dirt bags using hacks, or functions like this if you give them an inch they are going to take a mile. It's better for the longevity of the game if they address it sooner rather than later. So what is your proposed solution? It’s literally a niche problem because people are using this 3rd party program, yourself included and you don’t like the negative externalities of it. So, perhaps yes Blizzard implements something better to mitigate unplayable lag, what’s that look like? Well I'm not a programmer so I'm not exactly sure what could be done. What I do know is that if I'm playing League of Legends, and I decline a queue, get disconnected, or simply exit the program during pick/ban I'm put into a " low priority " queue. The reason they introduced this is to combat the exact issue that I'm currently experiencing in SC2. The reason they introduced this has nothing to do with "attacking" people. It was just an evolution from the former structure, in which you got timedout for 20 minutes or something like that. Has nothing to do with dodging servers or streamsniping anyone, it is just about forcing people to not insta-leave when they don't get their prefered champ, role or opponent. Not sure how a "low priority queue" would even work in your case. I have no idea about 2v2, but if the ladder is really that small, even low priority will just eventually put you against the same players anyway, because there literally are none other to queue you against. Especially not if you yourself are in a low-prio because of server-blocking
Correct. This is a MMR issue and people are using this program maliciously to target specific players, and while I understand the main argument int his thread is that it's not a big issue now, it will eventually turn into a big issue unless the game company corrects the problem and prevents players from being able to block every server available as they are queueing.
It would seem to me that you still haven't watched the video in the OP, please watch the video so that you can see how this works and why what you're saying isn't relevant to this conversation.
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On October 30 2024 07:26 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +So a malicious user with high mmr could block all server IPs and still get matched It seems a stretch, because every person complaining has servers blocked. Nobody has ever demonstrated this issue or AFAIK even experienced it without blocking servers on their end.
It sounds to me like you haven't watched the video in the OP, I would highly suggest watching it because it will give you a much better picture of how and why this is being used maliciously.
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On October 30 2024 11:56 bela.mervado wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2024 07:26 Cyro wrote:So a malicious user with high mmr could block all server IPs and still get matched It seems a stretch, because every person complaining has servers blocked. Nobody has ever demonstrated this issue or AFAIK even experienced it without blocking servers on their end. I have no idea, haven't heard of this issue before, never used this tool, never needed. Can be explained by a high mmr dude sitting in a badly connected region. Not hard to test tho (for Protech to enable all servers and see what happens).
Well the good news, is now you're hearing about it now and be part of the solution before it becomes a huge problem. As the player base dwindles and we're all still playing, you will see a malicious take over. Dismissing this and writing it off as niche is a huge mistake.
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On October 30 2024 07:00 Mizenhauer wrote:
The best part of this is that someone(s) think that Blizzard pays anyone to do anything related to this legacy game.
No one is suggesting that Blizzard cares or will even do anything about it. I've been a target of this for a year now, and the only reason I'm making a post about this on TL now, is because there are a lot of waves being made with the patch, microsoft take over, etc. Logic would suggest that now is a good time to put some attention on this problem.
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On October 30 2024 14:17 ProTech1 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2024 07:26 Cyro wrote:So a malicious user with high mmr could block all server IPs and still get matched It seems a stretch, because every person complaining has servers blocked. Nobody has ever demonstrated this issue or AFAIK even experienced it without blocking servers on their end. It sounds to me like you haven't watched the video in the OP, I would highly suggest watching it because it will give you a much better picture of how and why this is being used maliciously.
I did. You showed games getting cancelled when you had blocked every server. That's not the same thing as somebody else being able to cancel your games when you're not blocking any; for all we know it could only happen when both players block for example.
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On October 30 2024 15:26 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2024 14:17 ProTech1 wrote:On October 30 2024 07:26 Cyro wrote:So a malicious user with high mmr could block all server IPs and still get matched It seems a stretch, because every person complaining has servers blocked. Nobody has ever demonstrated this issue or AFAIK even experienced it without blocking servers on their end. It sounds to me like you haven't watched the video in the OP, I would highly suggest watching it because it will give you a much better picture of how and why this is being used maliciously. I did. You showed games getting cancelled when you had blocked every server. That's not the same thing as somebody else being able to cancel your games when you're not blocking any; for all we know it could only happen when both players block for example.
I find it extremely unlikely that when I'm streaming, I'm spending more than 5 hours per stream simply running into other players who have blocked Brazil, Singapore, and West. Perhaps the part you're not understanding is that I've left West open so that I can run into any US/CA player.
I highly doubt anyone who lives in the united states would block the west server, because the ping isn't high.
You should tune into some of my streams and watch my games get blocked on KR/TW. I live in asia so I have no reason to block those servers.
Furthermore, the point of the video was to showcase what can be accomplished with this tool. If you'd like, PM me and I will show you how I can prevent you from playing while you're trying to Queue.
I should also mention that there is a fix to this problem, and that's simply using an MMR that doesn't match up with X player who's using this tool to block games. The problem for me, is that i'm a high level player, and smurfing isn't exactly enjoyable or fun for the low ranked player.
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You are blocking servers. If you don't, doesn't the problem go away? If not, post proof of that. Without any evidence of normal players experiencing the issue it just looks self-inflicted among those who block servers on their own end.
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On October 30 2024 16:47 Cyro wrote:
You are blocking servers. If you don't, doesn't the problem go away? If not, post proof of that. Without any evidence of normal players experiencing the issue it just looks self-inflicted among those who block servers on their own end.
There's a years worth of evidence in my vods, simply pick any of them and watch the queue blocks happen. Unblocking all servers does not fix the problem, because if you queue into someone who has similar MMR and they are using this method to prevent games from starting, it doesn't matter if you're blocking servers, it only matters if one player is blocking all the servers that are available on the server.
The part you seem to not understand is that it does not matter if you are blocking servers, or not. If you are at a high level, or even a low level, if you are queuing into the same person over, and over and over and that person is blocking all of the servers that are available on the server, the game cannot start.
As I mentioned before, if you would like to see this in-game you can simply ask me to show you to dispel any confusion you may be having.
Furthermore, there is no point in playing SC2 in 5-900 MS. So then it would fall on the game company to ensure that this doesn't happen, namely patching the way the server selection works, and forcing it to work 100% of the time, because the way it works now is that when you get promoted to master league the function ceases to work.
As mentioned before, I do not use server blocking on KR/TW as I live in Asia. I have not been able to get a game started on KR/TW in about 2 weeks, because every time I log into my main, I'm unable to get games started as I'm met with " A player you have matched with has left the game or disconnected from the service " This leads me to believe that bots are running 24/7 using the method showcased in the video. Hopefully that clears up any confusion you might be having.
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How many trolls are there? It sounds entirely unfun to be a "troll", because you never actually get to play at all if you block all servers. At least join the game, flame the opponent and quit, if you just want to grief without playing. The latter would be a big deal. Them "griefing" by giving you an server error is really small fry compared to that.
So it seems to me the main issue is that you're running into legit players from the regions you blocked, who have your preferred regions blocked. The matchmaking is unable to deal with that and gives an error. This is why people say it's self inflicted.
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On October 30 2024 18:06 Acrofales wrote:
How many trolls are there? It sounds entirely unfun to be a "troll", because you never actually get to play at all if you block all servers. At least join the game, flame the opponent and quit, if you just want to grief without playing. The latter would be a big deal. Them "griefing" by giving you an server error is really small fry compared to that.
So it seems to me the main issue is that you're running into legit players from the regions you blocked, who have your preferred regions blocked. The matchmaking is unable to deal with that and gives an error. This is why people say it's self inflicted.
Im very well aware of why people think it's self-inflicted. It's not, I experience queue blocking on KR/TW (i live in asia so no reason to block servers)
That seems to be the biggest misunderstanding in this thread, you do not have to be blocking servers in order for this to work.
I don't suspect there's many people doing this but it only takes one player who has a similar MMR to mine to prevent me from playing game, or anyone else for that matter. That's why its a huge concern and does need to be patched in some way.
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On October 30 2024 20:01 Sophie_jonas wrote:
Totally agree; it’s frustrating when automated responses don’t address specific issues. Hopefully, Blizzard reconsiders its approach to customer support to bring back that personal touch!
It's been an on-going thing for quite a long time now. It's unfortunate, but it does look like Microsoft acquiring the blizzard franchise has been a good thing overall. Hopefully it will continue.
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Does this still occur if you have no block on whatsoever? I’m still somewhat unclear on this
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On October 30 2024 22:01 ProTech1 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2024 20:01 Sophie_jonas wrote:
Totally agree; it’s frustrating when automated responses don’t address specific issues. Hopefully, Blizzard reconsiders its approach to customer support to bring back that personal touch! It's been an on-going thing for quite a long time now. It's unfortunate, but it does look like Microsoft acquiring the blizzard franchise has been a good thing overall. Hopefully it will continue.
What benefit for the consumers has MS acquiring Blizzard provided so far? At least for SC I'm not sure I've seen anything different than before. You must have more knowledge, so I'm happy to listen
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On October 30 2024 23:12 lokol4890 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2024 22:01 ProTech1 wrote:On October 30 2024 20:01 Sophie_jonas wrote:
Totally agree; it’s frustrating when automated responses don’t address specific issues. Hopefully, Blizzard reconsiders its approach to customer support to bring back that personal touch! It's been an on-going thing for quite a long time now. It's unfortunate, but it does look like Microsoft acquiring the blizzard franchise has been a good thing overall. Hopefully it will continue. What benefit for the consumers has MS acquiring Blizzard provided so far? At least for SC I'm not sure I've seen anything different than before. You must have more knowledge, so I'm happy to listen
SC2 campaign content added on Gamepass the same month they are re-introduced the loopholes to getting GamePass for $5/month.
MS GamePass gives RTS players whole lotta love.
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On October 30 2024 23:12 lokol4890 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2024 22:01 ProTech1 wrote:On October 30 2024 20:01 Sophie_jonas wrote:
Totally agree; it’s frustrating when automated responses don’t address specific issues. Hopefully, Blizzard reconsiders its approach to customer support to bring back that personal touch! It's been an on-going thing for quite a long time now. It's unfortunate, but it does look like Microsoft acquiring the blizzard franchise has been a good thing overall. Hopefully it will continue. What benefit for the consumers has MS acquiring Blizzard provided so far? At least for SC I'm not sure I've seen anything different than before. You must have more knowledge, so I'm happy to listen
Being on Game Pass doesn’t really benefit anyone who’s already bought the game, but it does show some intent, and could introduce new players into the ecosystem which is positive
There’s pretty credible sounding rumours of a new WC3 patch too which may have been in the pipeline regardless, but does seem to indicate MS may be slightly stepping up their care for that game too
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On October 30 2024 23:06 WombaT wrote:
Does this still occur if you have no block on whatsoever? I’m still somewhat unclear on this
Correct. As I live in Asia, there is no reason to block any servers. As I mentioned previously in the thread I haven’t been able to get a high level game for about 2 weeks.
As mentioned before there seems to be a misunderstanding in this thread. Even if I leave all the servers open without blocking any, I still can’t get games started
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On October 30 2024 23:12 lokol4890 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2024 22:01 ProTech1 wrote:On October 30 2024 20:01 Sophie_jonas wrote:
Totally agree; it’s frustrating when automated responses don’t address specific issues. Hopefully, Blizzard reconsiders its approach to customer support to bring back that personal touch! It's been an on-going thing for quite a long time now. It's unfortunate, but it does look like Microsoft acquiring the blizzard franchise has been a good thing overall. Hopefully it will continue. What benefit for the consumers has MS acquiring Blizzard provided so far? At least for SC I'm not sure I've seen anything different than before. You must have more knowledge, so I'm happy to listen
There’s no illusion, as far as I can tell there’s no benefit outside of the million dollar tournament held in saudia arabia. That being said who knows what’s to come in the future.
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I unblocked every server a few years ago because this could happen a lot (as well as it giving me a smaller range of opponents which sucked). If you really don't want to unblock I'd recommend not queuing for a few minutes so the other person can find a game and you desync from both queuing at the same time
EDIT: just saw your most recent post my bad, no advice from here then.
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On October 31 2024 19:09 PiGStarcraft wrote:
I unblocked every server a few years ago because this could happen a lot (as well as it giving me a smaller range of opponents which sucked). If you really don't want to unblock I'd recommend not queuing for a few minutes so the other person can find a game and you desync from both queuing at the same time
EDIT: just saw your most recent post my bad, no advice from here then.
That's the problem, when you're being targeted with this you have to somehow get to an MMR that he can't reach. The problem with teams is that no one is playing at an over capped MMR so, the system will always pair you with the closest possible MMR. Blocking usually starts at 4K mmr in solo queue, and roughly top 100 gm mmr (for me)
Pretty much the way it works, is if the queue goes to 6m 30s I will always run into the people using this method, if the queue is quick (sometimes not all) that's pretty much the only time the game will start, regardless of whether I have left every server open or not.
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