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Cricketer12
United States14000 Posts
On June 03 2024 20:15 Harris1st wrote: Ah yes that's why Maru is having such an easy time winning tournaments all over the world since the "collapse" ... oh wait Weird how he didn't even mention Maru. Almost like his point on recency bias was focusing on Maru/Serral is silly | ||
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Comedy
469 Posts
On June 04 2024 01:31 goldensail wrote: I don't remember if it was this topic or the Addendum topic where I made the statement that IMO, if Serral had played Terran, he would be behind Maru, Inno, Clem, and a few others. This pissed off some people, who either said I was absurd or baseless. I admit I had no evidence, and it was little more than a hunch. Lo and behold I just came across this video of Serral playing Terran against a nobody Zerg in a Finnish contest. I'll let you watch the series and draw your own conclusion on whether my hunch is justified. Remember this happened around end of '18 when Serral was already placed on a pedestal by many. this guy just keeps getting wilder zhugeliang was a 6k zerg 5 years ago and he lost 3-1 to serral's off race which he is not known for investing any time into and the guy thinks this is enough evidence to conclude the best player in the world would be behind like 5 people if he were playing terran from the start this balance whining keeps getting crazier | ||
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UnLarva
458 Posts
On June 03 2024 16:33 UnLarva wrote: ![[image loading]](https://ruotuvaki.fi/documents/1951245/0/RV5_2024_Veikka_Tammisuo-2.jpg/a0e21abe-a07c-cc5e-4d4d-57b24bd885ab?t=1713854129526) Ruotuväki / Veikka Tammisuo Was it the first time ever when SC2 player won a tournament while serving in the military? Excellent Joona, bloody excellent! o7 Some more off-duty days (kuntoisuusloma) of training time should be granted for your distinguished, exemplary, and valiant effort! Too drunken to answer to some misinterpreted comments about Joona's military service. It's easier to quote own comment and point out there was question, I asked. You know: "?" [Bolded in the quote] Thanks. Waiting answer. | ||
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UnLarva
458 Posts
That cannot be ever used as an argument against Serral. Never. Period. | ||
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iRkSupperman
Norway140 Posts
On June 03 2024 16:33 UnLarva wrote: Ruotuväki / Veikka Tammisuo Was it the first time ever when SC2 player won a tournament while serving in the military? Excellent Joona, bloody excellent! o7 Some more off-duty days (kuntoisuusloma) of training time should be granted for your distinguished, exemplary, and valiant effort! People forget/dont know that we had Airforce ACE already in 2007? (With a much longer serving time required than in Finland) | ||
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Balnazza
Germany1313 Posts
On June 04 2024 05:58 iRkSupperman wrote: People forget/dont know that we had Airforce ACE already in 2007? (With a much longer serving time required than in Finland) But they never did win anything, did they? Always ranked last in Proleague and no Starleague-wins either | ||
Mizenhauer
United States1940 Posts
On June 04 2024 05:30 Comedy wrote: this guy just keeps getting wilder zhugeliang was a 6k zerg 5 years ago and he lost 3-1 to serral's off race which he is not known for investing any time into and the guy thinks this is enough evidence to conclude the best player in the world would be behind like 5 people if he were playing terran from the start this balance whining keeps getting crazier ZhuGeLiang played, and won, matches in nationwars. He was a big part of Finland winning in 2019-beating soO to give his team a 2-1 lead in the final. He's a legit pro and a champion. | ||
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Balnazza
Germany1313 Posts
On June 04 2024 01:31 goldensail wrote: I don't remember if it was this topic or the Addendum topic where I made the statement that IMO, if Serral had played Terran, he would be behind Maru, Inno, Clem, and a few others. This pissed off some people, who either said I was absurd or baseless. I admit I had no evidence, and it was little more than a hunch. Lo and behold I just came across this video of Serral playing Terran against a nobody Zerg in a Finnish contest. I'll let you watch the series and draw your own conclusion on whether my hunch is justified. Remember this happened around end of '18 when Serral was already placed on a pedestal by many. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSrrS2tFi90&t=2108s All the things people said about ZhuGeLiang besides: What exactly is the point of this? Like what is this supposed to prove, even if it was somehow relevant? Even if Serral couldn't find the exit of his base when playing offrace, it wouldn't matter. You want to prove he would be behind some of the best terrans in the world, which might be true - but that would only mean something if you also think (and can prove) that Maru, Inno and co. would be as succesful if they played Zerg and Protoss. Curious where that "hunch" would come from. What is the most succesful offrace we had in the last ten years? Reynor playing Protoss I assume. But what are these ominous tournaments e.g. Maru won offracing that would make anyone so confident he would still be the 2nd best player ever if he wasn't Terran? I know the same few people often bring the stupid argument of "yeah, Serrals playstyle only works because he is Zerg" like that someone is "cheating". Sorry, but is no one else profiting from their race? So Maru could play the EXACT same he does right now if he was Protoss? He isn't benefiting from anything the Terran race has to offer? Really? ...sorry, slight ranting, but this is just getting so over the top ridiculous... | ||
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ejozl
Denmark3517 Posts
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Poopi
France13003 Posts
On June 04 2024 05:50 UnLarva wrote: Too drunken to answer to some misinterpreted comments about Joona's military service. It's easier to quote own comment and point out there was question, I asked. You know: "?" [Bolded in the quote] Thanks. Waiting answer. In the vast majority of cases, KR players aren’t allowed (like it’s legally forbidden) to compete in tournaments etc? So depending on their situation, they might be able to train on the ladder or whatever, but they can not compete. So since the majority of pro players in the StarCraft scene who « served in the military » were KR players, none of them could win a tournament while serving in the military. Tl;dr: maybe, hard to say, but it’s kind of an useless statistic | ||
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bela.mervado
Hungary411 Posts
i don't know if it's relevant or not, but should be good enough for a shitpost Serral EU https://sc2revealed.com/?region=2&showDormant=true&input=serral Z~7.2k, T~6.2k ( ~main-1.0k ) Maru Korea https://sc2revealed.com/?region=3&showDormant=true&input=maru T~7.1k, Z~5.8k ( ~main-1.3k ) care to comment, dear @goldenfail? | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27206 Posts
I mean despite this being a daft line of inquiry in the first place. | ||
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Poopi
France13003 Posts
On June 04 2024 06:44 WombaT wrote: Is Maru’s Protoss his very strong off-race? I mean despite this being a daft line of inquiry in the first place. He has pretty good off races overall. He toyed with Dark’s Terran using Zerg iirc. And his protoss is kinda good. But offraces don’t mean that much. | ||
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Perceivere
131 Posts
On June 04 2024 06:39 bela.mervado wrote: the problem with statistics.. i don't know if it's relevant or not, but should be good enough for a shitpost Serral EU https://sc2revealed.com/?region=2&showDormant=true&input=serral Z~7.2k, T~6.2k ( ~main-1.0k ) Maru Korea https://sc2revealed.com/?region=3&showDormant=true&input=maru T~7.1k, Z~5.8k ( ~main-1.3k ) care to comment, dear @goldenfail? In late 2017, while Serral was training in Korea for GSL v TW, he topped the ladder with his "Serral" account. Now, that's mindblowing. There was a reddit thread about it that I can't find anymore. He wasn't even in his 2018 form, yet. Dude just travels to the hardest region, then just casually tops its ladder ranking in a few weeks with a non-barcode account. Imagine how much further up he'd be with a barcode account. Well, everyone would know that it's him due to the mmr, so...nevermind. | ||
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Zergiica
Croatia128 Posts
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gTank
Austria2651 Posts
On June 04 2024 20:11 Zergiica wrote: this GOAT thread aged badly. i hope TL will change it for it's own reputation. Are you new here? TL curse exists for a reason! :D | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16085 Posts
On June 04 2024 20:11 Zergiica wrote: this GOAT thread aged badly. i hope TL will change it for it's own reputation. The Goat thread with Mvp at the top also aged badly. It's pretty natural imo that the Goat list won't be set in stone forever with more tournaments being played | ||
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Mizenhauer
United States1940 Posts
On June 04 2024 20:21 Charoisaur wrote: The Goat thread with Mvp at the top also aged badly. It's pretty natural imo that the Goat list won't be set in stone forever with more tournaments being played Meanwhile, Maru finishing second, beating a number of top players along the way. He shit the bed in the finals but, hey, only one person can walk away champion in the end. Serral certainly stole the show with his performance, but it's not as if Maru lost in the group stages or something. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7315 Posts
On June 04 2024 20:51 Mizenhauer wrote: Meanwhile, Maru finishing second, beating a number of top players along the way. He shit the bed in the finals but, hey, only one person can walk away champion in the end. Serral certainly stole the show with his performance, but it's not as if Maru lost in the group stages or something. There is still time to edit the numbers of the GOAT threads. For example you could switch the numbers #1 and #2 ...  | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4967 Posts
On June 04 2024 20:21 Charoisaur wrote: The Goat thread with Mvp at the top also aged badly. It's pretty natural imo that the Goat list won't be set in stone forever with more tournaments being played Yup, things can change. Perhaps in this year's world championship Maru will get his shit together and get it done, perhaps Serral will add another medal to his resume, or herO will finally do it. We dont know. In order for the GOAT debate to be definitive, the SC2 scene will need to dry out. I, for one, hope that it never happens and that we keep arguing endlessly about the goat. | ||
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