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France12911 Posts
On October 06 2023 16:26 tigera6 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2023 14:18 JJH777 wrote:
Is Maru really that slow now? It's obvious his mechanics have been declining over time, likely due to his shoulder, despite his improvements in other ways but it's still surprising to me to see him called out as a particularly slow player. Thats a mind game, because Reynor ALWAYS struggle when Maru plays the slow-pace turtling game against him, Reynor wants Maru to push and micro so that he can take advantage of. If Maru play the Clem-style of pushing and fighting, Reynor will have a better chance.
I highly doubt Maru will watch that video or even that someone will tell him that
He got a bit slower probably but it’s hard to gauge since the meta hasn’t really favored fast terran these last few years
Even Clem had to slow down the game and make ghosts in a lot of TvZ
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I think Maru already knew that, Reynor made a similar comment about how Maru only play 2 base all-in or turtling against him during one of the DH tournament. And Maru response was that, he would then turtle even harder against Reynor, lol. The funny thing is, recently Maru hasnt been turtling, but instead doing the more aggressive build with all-in and Reynor has gotten good result against Maru from that.
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On October 06 2023 04:31 angry_maia wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2023 04:28 Kreuger wrote:On October 06 2023 04:10 Woosixion wrote:On October 06 2023 03:15 BisuDagger wrote:
Easy, just change the prize to a bowl of spaghetti and meatballs. I find this post to be racially insensitive. If we were talking about temp0 and one suggested that changing the first place prize of gsl to a bucket of fried chicken and a side of watermelon would be the catalyst we need to see our first african american champion do you think this would be in good taste? jfc, so sensitive. It was a funny little quip, no need to make it something else It's also a false equivalence. Jokes about a random countries food culture vs (even mildly) racist jokes aren't the same thing.
Exatly
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On October 06 2023 10:56 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2023 10:48 Telephone wrote:On October 06 2023 09:32 Kitai wrote:On October 06 2023 09:08 Telephone wrote:
I would love to see that, but it's the most difficult SC2 tournament that there is. Over half of the people who won World Championship tournaments have never won a GSL. That is, PartinG, sOS, Serral, Reynor, and Oliveira have never won a GSL. ByuN has won one world championship and one GSL, while the only two players to have won a world championship and more than one GSL are Dark and Rogue. Even second place in a GSL is a career-defining moment for a large portion of top pros.
I really wish Reynor the best! Winning the most prestigious and difficult tournament in all of SC2 is a lofty goal, but I think that if he applies himself, he is capable of winning it. When he's in practice, Reynor looks as scary as any SC2 player ever-- with some luck and a lot of practice, I bet he can do it! Over half the people who won a GSL never won a world championship either. But most people who have won GSL have at least participated in several world championships. Serral, Oliviera, and Reynor have either not participated or barely participated in GSL, so that's kind of a bad argument for the difficulty of one tournament over the other. If by "barely participated in GSL", you mean that Reynor bombed out in the first round of the group stage of the GSL each time he participated, you're correct. You're further correct to note that Oliveira bombed out in the first round of the group stage of the GSL the one time he qualified. Serral, on the other hand, has never elected to participate in the most difficult and prestigious SC2 tournament in the world. Reynor made the Ro16 when he was 16, when it was more stacked and when he wasn’t legally allowed to play in Europe WCS The idea that multiple WC calibre titles winning Reynor, never mind Serral can’t cut it in GSL is beyond fanciful
People forget that Maru and any other GSL champion have spent years competing at it. Put Serral, Reynor or Clem through years in GSL and they will surely win some. As many or Maru, or more? Hard to say. But they would surely win it.
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On October 06 2023 16:01 Charoisaur wrote:
"The problem with Protoss players currently is that they play to predictable"
Says the guy who threw away a 3-0 lead against Clem in a bo7 finals by doing the exact same thing 7 games in a row^^
Exatly. Hes talking out of experience 
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On October 07 2023 01:01 Locutus_ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2023 10:56 WombaT wrote:On October 06 2023 10:48 Telephone wrote:On October 06 2023 09:32 Kitai wrote:On October 06 2023 09:08 Telephone wrote:
I would love to see that, but it's the most difficult SC2 tournament that there is. Over half of the people who won World Championship tournaments have never won a GSL. That is, PartinG, sOS, Serral, Reynor, and Oliveira have never won a GSL. ByuN has won one world championship and one GSL, while the only two players to have won a world championship and more than one GSL are Dark and Rogue. Even second place in a GSL is a career-defining moment for a large portion of top pros.
I really wish Reynor the best! Winning the most prestigious and difficult tournament in all of SC2 is a lofty goal, but I think that if he applies himself, he is capable of winning it. When he's in practice, Reynor looks as scary as any SC2 player ever-- with some luck and a lot of practice, I bet he can do it! Over half the people who won a GSL never won a world championship either. But most people who have won GSL have at least participated in several world championships. Serral, Oliviera, and Reynor have either not participated or barely participated in GSL, so that's kind of a bad argument for the difficulty of one tournament over the other. If by "barely participated in GSL", you mean that Reynor bombed out in the first round of the group stage of the GSL each time he participated, you're correct. You're further correct to note that Oliveira bombed out in the first round of the group stage of the GSL the one time he qualified. Serral, on the other hand, has never elected to participate in the most difficult and prestigious SC2 tournament in the world. Reynor made the Ro16 when he was 16, when it was more stacked and when he wasn’t legally allowed to play in Europe WCS The idea that multiple WC calibre titles winning Reynor, never mind Serral can’t cut it in GSL is beyond fanciful People forget that Maru and any other GSL champion have spent years competing at it. Put Serral, Reynor or Clem through years in GSL and they will surely win some. As many or Maru, or more? Hard to say. But they would surely win it.
And if Maru had participated in every HSC and changed his nationality to participate in every WCS/DH EU his trophy cabinet would be a lot larger too. But in the end hypothetical achievements don't matter so it's just irrelevant
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I've pointed this out before, I'll do it again. There's a big difference in latency between global tournaments and Korean tournaments. The difference in latency makes the game a very different experience - one might argue the Korean latency makes for a more legitimate sc2 experience.
Last time I remember Reynor trying to play in GSL he got obliterated by a relatively simple 2-base timing by Bunny. The difference between that game and other games they played together online is that Bunny was able to actually micro the way he's used to, and Reynor couldn't rely on the a-move advantage that Zerg has in lower latency games.
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he doesn't have the juice!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Northern Ireland26629 Posts
On October 07 2023 03:42 ThunderJunk wrote:
I've pointed this out before, I'll do it again. There's a big difference in latency between global tournaments and Korean tournaments. The difference in latency makes the game a very different experience - one might argue the Korean latency makes for a more legitimate sc2 experience.
Last time I remember Reynor trying to play in GSL he got obliterated by a relatively simple 2-base timing by Bunny. The difference between that game and other games they played together online is that Bunny was able to actually micro the way he's used to, and Reynor couldn't rely on the a-move advantage that Zerg has in lower latency games.
He did win an offline Katowice. Gamers 8 was an odd one where it was offline, but played off another server with added latency.
Can’t honestly recall if he won anything in terms of a global tournament where it was offline.
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France12911 Posts
On October 07 2023 04:17 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2023 03:42 ThunderJunk wrote:
I've pointed this out before, I'll do it again. There's a big difference in latency between global tournaments and Korean tournaments. The difference in latency makes the game a very different experience - one might argue the Korean latency makes for a more legitimate sc2 experience.
Last time I remember Reynor trying to play in GSL he got obliterated by a relatively simple 2-base timing by Bunny. The difference between that game and other games they played together online is that Bunny was able to actually micro the way he's used to, and Reynor couldn't rely on the a-move advantage that Zerg has in lower latency games. He did win an offline Katowice. Gamers 8 was an odd one where it was offline, but played off another server with added latency. Can’t honestly recall if he won anything in terms of a global tournament where it was offline.
Didn’t he win the online Katowice actually?
Iirc he won 2021 Katowice (online), 2020 was probably Rogue, 2022 Serral (offline) and 2023 Oliveira obviously.
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Katowice latency is good but still not the same latency power as Korea.
Unless I've been so far out of the game that offline actually means offline now. Did they bring back literal LAN?
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On October 07 2023 06:19 ThunderJunk wrote:
Katowice latency is good but still not the same latency power as Korea.
Unless I've been so far out of the game that offline actually means offline now. Did they bring back literal LAN?
No. As far as I know only gsl has true lan.
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United States33592 Posts
I think some fans (on TLnet and elsewhere) are being kinda weird about a guy wanting to win the GSL. I mean, who woulda thought? 
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On October 06 2023 04:10 Woosixion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2023 03:15 BisuDagger wrote:
Easy, just change the prize to a bowl of spaghetti and meatballs. I find this post to be racially insensitive. If we were talking about temp0 and one suggested that changing the first place prize of gsl to a bucket of fried chicken and a side of watermelon would be the catalyst we need to see our first african american champion do you think this would be in good taste?
s p a g e t t i & m e a t b a l l s
tardy trains, leather jackets, expensive furniture, manicotti, baked ziti,
haha
It's a joke dude. You're dense as hell. Move along.
In other news, Reynor competing in GSL again would be an interesting storyline. Agreed Serral is the GOAT. These Rogue people are weird.
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GSL probably won't exist in a couple of years but good luck
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United States1921 Posts
I want to win GSL because that would be funny. Sadly, not a big headline.
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Russian Federation192 Posts
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On October 07 2023 23:41 RogerChillingworth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2023 04:10 Woosixion wrote:On October 06 2023 03:15 BisuDagger wrote:
Easy, just change the prize to a bowl of spaghetti and meatballs. I find this post to be racially insensitive. If we were talking about temp0 and one suggested that changing the first place prize of gsl to a bucket of fried chicken and a side of watermelon would be the catalyst we need to see our first african american champion do you think this would be in good taste? It's a joke dude. You're dense as hell. Move along.
It being a joke and it playing on stereotypes are not mutually exclusive. How offensive it is depends more on how harmful the stereotypes are and some social context of who's saying what about whom. In this case I don't think anyone would expect Reynor to be offended, but if he wasn't a successful guy in a rich European country it could have been a bit different.
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Not gonna happen, Maru is unbeatable when he has GSL studio buff.
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On October 14 2023 23:11 outscar wrote:
Not gonna happen, Maru is unbeatable when he has GSL studio buff.
I would say "this hasn't aged well", but since you said that afterwards...sure you don't want to slightly alter that statement? 
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