EPTToday I have a piece I was super excited to make, an interview with Reynor. We got to discuss the GOAT debate, his start in StarCraft, his desire to return to compete in Korea, and much more!
Hope you all enjoyed this one =D
Reynor: I want to win a GSL "just to shut them up"
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StarcraftHistorian
United States229 Posts
Today I have a piece I was super excited to make, an interview with Reynor. We got to discuss the GOAT debate, his start in StarCraft, his desire to return to compete in Korea, and much more! Hope you all enjoyed this one =D
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46424 Posts
I'm sure a lot of SC2 players want to win a GSL. Best of luck to him  | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16125 Posts
But let's not get ahead of ourselves shall we, I think having a goal of "advancing out of my first group" should be step 1 right? | ||
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QOGQOG
834 Posts
On October 06 2023 02:46 Vindicare605 wrote: By all means Reynor, I'd love to see you do it. Honestly I would. But let's not get ahead of ourselves shall we, I think having a goal of "advancing out of my first group" should be step 1 right? His best bet is to wait a few years until the group stage has been cut entirely. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16125 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19384 Posts
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Woosixion
121 Posts
On October 06 2023 03:15 BisuDagger wrote: Easy, just change the prize to a bowl of spaghetti and meatballs. I find this post to be racially insensitive. If we were talking about temp0 and one suggested that changing the first place prize of gsl to a bucket of fried chicken and a side of watermelon would be the catalyst we need to see our first african american champion do you think this would be in good taste? | ||
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Kreuger
Sweden988 Posts
On October 06 2023 04:10 Woosixion wrote: I find this post to be racially insensitive. If we were talking about temp0 and one suggested that changing the first place prize of gsl to a bucket of fried chicken and a side of watermelon would be the catalyst we need to see our first african american champion do you think this would be in good taste? jfc, so sensitive. It was a funny little quip, no need to make it something else | ||
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NeWHoriZonS
57 Posts
On October 06 2023 04:28 Kreuger wrote: jfc, so sensitive. It was a funny little quip, no need to make it something else Where is he wrong tho? | ||
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Ronin2011
Greece30 Posts
On October 06 2023 04:10 Woosixion wrote: I find this post to be racially insensitive. If we were talking about temp0 and one suggested that changing the first place prize of gsl to a bucket of fried chicken and a side of watermelon would be the catalyst we need to see our first african american champion do you think this would be in good taste? That escalated quickly.. LoL | ||
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angry_maia
332 Posts
On October 06 2023 04:28 Kreuger wrote: jfc, so sensitive. It was a funny little quip, no need to make it something else It's also a false equivalence. Jokes about a random countries food culture vs (even mildly) racist jokes aren't the same thing. | ||
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Kreuger
Sweden988 Posts
I wouldnt mind if he made the joke he suggested, but then I can understand if the poster is intent on making a joke or playing on something else. Im not an american either so maybe im not inclined to read in racial bias or what you would say in everything. | ||
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jodljodl
182 Posts
I'm definitely no reynor fan boy. Serral has been the best player in the world for a very long time now. And maru is maru. And it's gsl. The koreans just have tons of experience (and skill; let's not forget that). But reynor on fire, reynor on point is the scariest thing in sc2 i've witnessed so far. | ||
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Mutaller
United States1051 Posts
On October 06 2023 04:47 jodljodl wrote: No doubt in my mind reynor gonna achieve that if he really commits to it and gsl is around long enough. I'm definitely no reynor fan boy. Serral has been the best player in the world for a very long time now. And maru is maru. And it's gsl. The koreans just have tons of experience (and skill; let's not forget that). But reynor on fire, reynor on point is the scariest thing in sc2 i've witnessed so far. I think Reynor can carve his name in stone by being the first foreigner to win a GSL. I am sad that Serral doesn't really care to win one. GSL is by far the hardest "regional" tournament. | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19384 Posts
On October 06 2023 04:31 angry_maia wrote: It's also a false equivalence. Jokes about a random countries food culture vs (even mildly) racist jokes aren't the same thing. Definitely, also I’ve been around long enough for people to know that I’m just having fun. It doesn’t hurt that I’m Italian either and have heard this same joke my whole life. | ||
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THERIDDLER
Canada137 Posts
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[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
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StarcraftHistorian
United States229 Posts
On October 06 2023 05:17 THERIDDLER wrote: Up next, "Am I the GOAT gamer of all time ?". Join us as Reynor gives an in depth interview as to why he's better than Flash and Faker. Greatest of all time gamer of all time 😝 | ||
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Poopi
France13018 Posts
At some point it’s gonna be easier and easier | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16125 Posts
On October 06 2023 06:37 Poopi wrote: He has a real shot, KR players are getting old / retiring. At some point it’s gonna be easier and easier I said this when he decided to give it a shot that it was the easiest the tournament has ever been. We saw how that turned out. Easy for the GSL is still not easy. | ||
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TITSAcid
Australia5 Posts
On October 06 2023 04:10 Woosixion wrote: I find this post to be racially insensitive. If we were talking about temp0 and one suggested that changing the first place prize of gsl to a bucket of fried chicken and a side of watermelon would be the catalyst we need to see our first african american champion do you think this would be in good taste? Italians aren't a race. | ||
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ShowTheLights
Korea (South)1717 Posts
This is hype that Reynor has this motivation, I love the dude's personality and I welcome him challenging himself to make a good run after his disappointment a year or two ago in GSL | ||
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Telephone
United States149 Posts
I really wish Reynor the best! Winning the most prestigious and difficult tournament in all of SC2 is a lofty goal, but I think that if he applies himself, he is capable of winning it. When he's in practice, Reynor looks as scary as any SC2 player ever-- with some luck and a lot of practice, I bet he can do it! | ||
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Kitai
United States885 Posts
On October 06 2023 09:08 Telephone wrote: I would love to see that, but it's the most difficult SC2 tournament that there is. Over half of the people who won World Championship tournaments have never won a GSL. That is, PartinG, sOS, Serral, Reynor, and Oliveira have never won a GSL. ByuN has won one world championship and one GSL, while the only two players to have won a world championship and more than one GSL are Dark and Rogue. Even second place in a GSL is a career-defining moment for a large portion of top pros. I really wish Reynor the best! Winning the most prestigious and difficult tournament in all of SC2 is a lofty goal, but I think that if he applies himself, he is capable of winning it. When he's in practice, Reynor looks as scary as any SC2 player ever-- with some luck and a lot of practice, I bet he can do it! Over half the people who won a GSL never won a world championship either. But most people who have won GSL have at least participated in several world championships. Serral, Oliviera, and Reynor have either not participated or barely participated in GSL, so that's kind of a bad argument for the difficulty of one tournament over the other. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27359 Posts
Hopefully it happens before the scene declines yet further into | ||
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lokol4890
114 Posts
On October 06 2023 09:32 Kitai wrote: Over half the people who won a GSL never won a world championship either. But most people who have won GSL have at least participated in several world championships. Serral, Oliviera, and Reynor have either not participated or barely participated in GSL, so that's kind of a bad argument for the difficulty of one tournament over the other. There have been a ton more gsls than world championships. If half of gsl winners can't win a world championship but also half the world champions can't win gsls (while having more chances at winning it), gsl is the harder tournament. At the very least the argument is not nearly as bad as you're making it out to be. | ||
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Telephone
United States149 Posts
On October 06 2023 09:32 Kitai wrote: Over half the people who won a GSL never won a world championship either. But most people who have won GSL have at least participated in several world championships. Serral, Oliviera, and Reynor have either not participated or barely participated in GSL, so that's kind of a bad argument for the difficulty of one tournament over the other. If by "barely participated in GSL", you mean that Reynor got knocked out in the second group stage in the first GSL he participated in, and bombed out of the first group stage of the other GSL he qualified for, you're correct. You're further correct to note that Oliveira bombed out in the first round of the group stage of the GSL the one time he qualified. Serral, on the other hand, has never elected to participate in the most difficult and prestigious SC2 tournament in the world. By the way, who won both of those GSLs that Reynor was in? | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27359 Posts
On October 06 2023 10:48 Telephone wrote: If by "barely participated in GSL", you mean that Reynor bombed out in the first round of the group stage of the GSL each time he participated, you're correct. You're further correct to note that Oliveira bombed out in the first round of the group stage of the GSL the one time he qualified. Serral, on the other hand, has never elected to participate in the most difficult and prestigious SC2 tournament in the world. Reynor made the Ro16 when he was 16, when it was more stacked and when he wasn’t legally allowed to play in Europe WCS The idea that multiple WC calibre titles winning Reynor, never mind Serral can’t cut it in GSL is beyond fanciful | ||
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Telephone
United States149 Posts
I guess what I'm getting at is that being one of the strongest players of all time (which Reynor undoubtedly is), is not winning a GSL. | ||
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Riner1212
United States337 Posts
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JJH777
United States4420 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany16089 Posts
Says the guy who threw away a 3-0 lead against Clem in a bo7 finals by doing the exact same thing 7 games in a row^^ | ||
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Swisslink
2958 Posts
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tigera6
3515 Posts
On October 06 2023 14:18 JJH777 wrote: Is Maru really that slow now? It's obvious his mechanics have been declining over time, likely due to his shoulder, despite his improvements in other ways but it's still surprising to me to see him called out as a particularly slow player. Thats a mind game, because Reynor ALWAYS struggle when Maru plays the slow-pace turtling game against him, Reynor wants Maru to push and micro so that he can take advantage of. If Maru play the Clem-style of pushing and fighting, Reynor will have a better chance. | ||
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Poopi
France13018 Posts
On October 06 2023 16:26 tigera6 wrote: Thats a mind game, because Reynor ALWAYS struggle when Maru plays the slow-pace turtling game against him, Reynor wants Maru to push and micro so that he can take advantage of. If Maru play the Clem-style of pushing and fighting, Reynor will have a better chance. I highly doubt Maru will watch that video or even that someone will tell him that He got a bit slower probably but it’s hard to gauge since the meta hasn’t really favored fast terran these last few years Even Clem had to slow down the game and make ghosts in a lot of TvZ | ||
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tigera6
3515 Posts
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Locutus_
Brazil65 Posts
On October 06 2023 04:31 angry_maia wrote: It's also a false equivalence. Jokes about a random countries food culture vs (even mildly) racist jokes aren't the same thing. Exatly | ||
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Locutus_
Brazil65 Posts
On October 06 2023 10:56 WombaT wrote: Reynor made the Ro16 when he was 16, when it was more stacked and when he wasn’t legally allowed to play in Europe WCS The idea that multiple WC calibre titles winning Reynor, never mind Serral can’t cut it in GSL is beyond fanciful People forget that Maru and any other GSL champion have spent years competing at it. Put Serral, Reynor or Clem through years in GSL and they will surely win some. As many or Maru, or more? Hard to say. But they would surely win it. | ||
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Locutus_
Brazil65 Posts
On October 06 2023 16:01 Charoisaur wrote: "The problem with Protoss players currently is that they play to predictable" Says the guy who threw away a 3-0 lead against Clem in a bo7 finals by doing the exact same thing 7 games in a row^^ Exatly. Hes talking out of experience | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16089 Posts
On October 07 2023 01:01 Locutus_ wrote: People forget that Maru and any other GSL champion have spent years competing at it. Put Serral, Reynor or Clem through years in GSL and they will surely win some. As many or Maru, or more? Hard to say. But they would surely win it. And if Maru had participated in every HSC and changed his nationality to participate in every WCS/DH EU his trophy cabinet would be a lot larger too. But in the end hypothetical achievements don't matter so it's just irrelevant | ||
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ThunderJunk
United States741 Posts
Last time I remember Reynor trying to play in GSL he got obliterated by a relatively simple 2-base timing by Bunny. The difference between that game and other games they played together online is that Bunny was able to actually micro the way he's used to, and Reynor couldn't rely on the a-move advantage that Zerg has in lower latency games. | ||
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teamfrolic
5 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27359 Posts
On October 07 2023 03:42 ThunderJunk wrote: I've pointed this out before, I'll do it again. There's a big difference in latency between global tournaments and Korean tournaments. The difference in latency makes the game a very different experience - one might argue the Korean latency makes for a more legitimate sc2 experience. Last time I remember Reynor trying to play in GSL he got obliterated by a relatively simple 2-base timing by Bunny. The difference between that game and other games they played together online is that Bunny was able to actually micro the way he's used to, and Reynor couldn't rely on the a-move advantage that Zerg has in lower latency games. He did win an offline Katowice. Gamers 8 was an odd one where it was offline, but played off another server with added latency. Can’t honestly recall if he won anything in terms of a global tournament where it was offline. | ||
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Poopi
France13018 Posts
On October 07 2023 04:17 WombaT wrote: He did win an offline Katowice. Gamers 8 was an odd one where it was offline, but played off another server with added latency. Can’t honestly recall if he won anything in terms of a global tournament where it was offline. Didn’t he win the online Katowice actually? Iirc he won 2021 Katowice (online), 2020 was probably Rogue, 2022 Serral (offline) and 2023 Oliveira obviously. | ||
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ThunderJunk
United States741 Posts
Unless I've been so far out of the game that offline actually means offline now. Did they bring back literal LAN? | ||
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lokol4890
114 Posts
On October 07 2023 06:19 ThunderJunk wrote: Katowice latency is good but still not the same latency power as Korea. Unless I've been so far out of the game that offline actually means offline now. Did they bring back literal LAN? No. As far as I know only gsl has true lan. | ||
Waxangel
United States33699 Posts
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RogerChillingworth
Chad3132 Posts
On October 06 2023 04:10 Woosixion wrote: I find this post to be racially insensitive. If we were talking about temp0 and one suggested that changing the first place prize of gsl to a bucket of fried chicken and a side of watermelon would be the catalyst we need to see our first african american champion do you think this would be in good taste? s p a g e t t i & m e a t b a l l s tardy trains, leather jackets, expensive furniture, manicotti, baked ziti, haha It's a joke dude. You're dense as hell. Move along. In other news, Reynor competing in GSL again would be an interesting storyline. Agreed Serral is the GOAT. These Rogue people are weird. | ||
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RickyHorny456
7 Posts
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Mizenhauer
United States1960 Posts
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EEk1TwEEk
Russian Federation193 Posts
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neptunusfisk
2286 Posts
On October 07 2023 23:41 RogerChillingworth wrote: It's a joke dude. You're dense as hell. Move along. It being a joke and it playing on stereotypes are not mutually exclusive. How offensive it is depends more on how harmful the stereotypes are and some social context of who's saying what about whom. In this case I don't think anyone would expect Reynor to be offended, but if he wasn't a successful guy in a rich European country it could have been a bit different. | ||
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outscar
2832 Posts
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Balnazza
Germany1359 Posts
On October 14 2023 23:11 outscar wrote: Not gonna happen, Maru is unbeatable when he has GSL studio buff. I would say "this hasn't aged well", but since you said that afterwards...sure you don't want to slightly alter that statement?  | ||
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