Another classic salt post from OP. Nothing to see here folks

Zerg requires the highest apm to play effectively in general macro/micro (maybe not micro since that toss is the hardest if you want to use all the spell effectively)

Terran has the easiest micro in general (but but stutter steps micro)

In big engagements terran army are already pre splits, it’s basically up to the Zerg to engage and break that position

CicadaSC

United States1599 Posts

March 09 2023 22:31 GMT

#22

On March 10 2023 07:24 TossHeroes wrote:
Another classic salt post from OP. Nothing to see here folks

Zerg requires the highest apm to play effectively in general macro/micro (maybe not micro since that toss is the hardest if you want to use all the spell effectively)

Terran has the easiest micro in general (but but stutter steps micro)

In big engagements terran army are already pre splits, it’s basically up to the Zerg to engage and break that position

this^ terran army just shoots faster so it LOOKS like they are doing more, and stim marines move quickly, but it is a fallacy. zerg have the most convoluted macro mechanics. injectin, creep, positioning which no terran doesnt have to do. just sit behind wall and run around with hellions or a medivac lololololololol. if a 6-7k zerg switched to terran, and i mean seriously switched not messed around with their offrace, they would be higher than their main in less than a month. easily.

Obamarauder

697 Posts

March 09 2023 23:17 GMT

#23

I am being serious but i am main terran and when i played protoss i had a harder time controlling army cuz of the amount of control groups i had to utilize.

Beelzebub1

1004 Posts

March 10 2023 01:02 GMT

#24

Can't help but be prejudiced against this thread considering OP is a well known balance/design whiner concerning Zerg.

Even if it's true, what does it really matter? Are you going to look at Serral and Maru's FPVODS and see a real difference? Who cares if you can spam and artificially inflate APM, it yields no advantages at all and this hasn't even been a popular or even relevant discussion in probably 8 + years.

SharkStarcraft

Austria2222 Posts

March 10 2023 01:50 GMT

#25

show some respect towards one of tl's more renowned writers and thinkers. You at least have to appreciate that he put a lot of effort into making this. Keep it up

ejozl

Denmark3355 Posts

March 10 2023 14:35 GMT

#26

On March 09 2023 15:27 Glorfindelio wrote:
This is Fox News-level propaganda...I heartily approve!

*Chef's Kiss*

I guess if this was in fact a new discovery, the other US propaganda networks would simply just not report on it, if you neglect it, it doesn't exist.

A lot of condescencion in this thread, which ironically make their post worse than the post they're trying to discredit.

Ever since the steal hotkey, hotkeys got introduced I have been having inflated APM, as a Protoss player. But as we all know APM is meaningless, sadly.

I do think the Zerg players are the fastest, they have more to attend to and reaction speed is a huge factor, as the defender. That doesn't necessarily mean that the avg ladder Zerg is faster than the avg ladder Terran though.

Sogetsu

514 Posts

March 10 2023 16:37 GMT

#27

I laughed so hard at the guy saying Phantom is defending Terran it almost cost my job while reading it.
It was a good thread and test IMHO, I knew it was a myth but never tested actually the reasons of it.
Since I never spam APM I take in consideration the APM numbers on the summary after a match only to check if I am improving or not but never as a core like for instance time I was supply cap =P

Thanks for the thread Phantom and the laughs, the moment I read "Zerg" and something against it I was sure the thread was yours, but I love you friend, also thanks a lot for the tips on my open, it helped me improve a lot the early game vs Protoss and Zergs but still failed to hold some all ins lol

Ciaus_Dronu

South Africa1848 Posts

March 10 2023 16:49 GMT

#28

The unstoppable force (Phantom) vs the immovable object (his Zerg axe that, despite being little more than a handle-stump by now, is insufficiently ground).

Glorfindelio

202 Posts

March 10 2023 19:09 GMT

#29

On March 10 2023 23:35 ejozl wrote:

Show nested quote +

Oh I'd heartily agree that mainstream media organizations are awful. Fox just takes the cake as far as willfully distorting reality in subservience to their viewers (i.e. most major hosts mocking the insane election lies privately while advocating for it publicly. Usually it's the other way around, so you have to respect the fidelity to the green.

Then again, since everyone and their mom thinks their opinion holds equal weight and validity these days, you have a plague of conspiracy and mindless worship of personality. But I digress.

Mutaller

United States1051 Posts

March 10 2023 22:37 GMT

#30

Zerg does require more apm because of injects and creep spread, but zerg's apm is artificially high from mechanics like larva and rapid fire. Troll post though

Vision_

861 Posts

March 12 2023 10:39 GMT

#31

This discuss is not a troll, underline it s easy to understand that the required APM between pros and casu/hardcores is to big considering the needs of fun or strategy which maintain the base player and the game alive.

Harris1st

Germany6887 Posts

March 13 2023 07:52 GMT

#32

The APM measurements were interesting when SC2 was released. A year later everyone knew how to inflate APM. Then came EPM. Then inflated EPM...