EPTGSL 2023: Significant contraction announced - Page 6
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On February 24 2023 22:03 Comedy wrote: I know people don't like to hear it but GSL has already ran far longer than it had any right to. Blizzard invested so much money into it to keep it alive, and viewership has been so low. In korea they never cared about SC2. I'm grateful for how long we've been able to enjoy GSL. Hopefully we see some big names come back to Broodwar which, is still huge in Korea! Honestly GSL viewership isn't even that bad. Games like CSGO do a hundred times better on twitch, but youtube and VOD numbers of GSL are as good if not better a lot of the time. Even Lowko and PiG pull great views on their daily videos. Especially with the timezone difference of a korean tournament streamed in english, youtube is just the better platform for it. Sadly I can only see the top 10 koreans being able to stay full time. Unless the community events pull through big time. Homestory Cup, WTL, ASL English, and the countless other events funded by its own sponsors or crownfunding shows how much the scene can support itself even without Blizzard money. | ||
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NotSoHappy
445 Posts
This is a semi goodbye post, no longer a player, hardly a watcher anymore. Having less years to 40 than 30 is making werid things to us. | ||
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necrosexy
451 Posts
hope Maru switches to bw | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10382 Posts
On February 24 2023 23:50 tlnetuser108 wrote: What Destiny said to DJ Wheat, Idra, InControl and Pain User was and still is totally accurate. Spot on even in 2023 https://youtu.be/e-l7gS7v4n4 What did he say exactly? That the audience will dwindle? Isn't that common sense? | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16126 Posts
On February 25 2023 11:49 NotSoHappy wrote: I hope you're not buying another Blizzard title anymore. Vote with your money. For a company this big, really, they could support Starcraft 2 for many more years. The changes they did with tourneys years ago started the downfall. This is the end. I can't really see Korean scene supporting itself. Most of the guys there don't stream, have no other revenue beside tournament wins and salary. Less playtime, less viewers, less money. All there is. This is a semi goodbye post, no longer a player, hardly a watcher anymore. Having less years to 40 than 30 is making werid things to us. They're just like any other developer for me now. I've gone from buying every single one of their games because it was a Blizzard game to now thoroughly vetting each game before I buy it because I can't know for sure if it's going to be any good. Warcraft Reforged was the first thing they've ever released where I cringed and just shook my head at how bad it was, Diablo Immortal was much worse. I've long since quit WoW (quit back in 2015), Hearthstone and Overwatch. Pro SC2 is getting a huge nerf, and that just leaves Diablo which I still enjoy since D3 was a lot of fun, and I am paying close attention to D4. It would have been an instant purchase in years past but now I'm very wary of whether or not I want to give it a chance. | ||
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Whatson
United States5357 Posts
That the Korean SC2 scene has even lasted this long is pretty amazing given the game's lack of popularity in Korea | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4967 Posts
I really don't, I came to the scene in 2015. From these people I only recognize InControl and Idra. So again ,who are these people who call themselves a "die-hard part of the community? | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12134 Posts
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freelifeffs
97 Posts
absolutely absurd decision, basically accepting all korean players as collateral damage. welp guess they can retire now instead of possibly still maintining a career if they are willing to travel abroad. what the actual f*** is this shit decision? | ||
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argonautdice
Canada2722 Posts
On February 26 2023 01:35 freelifeffs wrote: correct me im wrong but it looks like despite all of this, they are not lifting the region lock. absolutely absurd decision, basically accepting all korean players as collateral damage. welp guess they can retire now instead of possibly still maintining a career if they are willing to travel abroad. what the actual f*** is this shit decision? Region lock is not really that big of a deal anymore. It's not like there's much money in the other scenes either. The likely breakdown will be Euro scene gets $100k a year for 32 players, the Americas get $50k for 16 players, the rest of Asia/Oceania gets $50k for 16 players. Koreans likely will get 6 slots in the offline finals plus anyone willing to travel to play in the open bracket. They're free to participate in the weekly cups as always. | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4188 Posts
On February 25 2023 06:13 outscar wrote: Shame, big shame but expected. Both SCs are now hurting with ASL being delayed more and more. Blizz could revive the game and scene by just contuining to support it, by pushing new content bit by bit but greediness at the end won. But I still believe this is not end, we saw BW overcame dark ages when SC2 transition happened so I'm expecting we're going to always see tournaments running around. BW is doing more than fine in Korea, I think ASL was being delayed because rumours were Blizzard was being a bitch and wanted to charge more money for Afreeca to host ASL. So they are actually getting money rather than sponsoring it. | ||
Waxangel
United States33705 Posts
On February 26 2023 01:43 argonautdice wrote: Region lock is not really that big of a deal anymore. It's not like there's much money in the other scenes either. The likely breakdown will be Euro scene gets $100k a year for 32 players, the Americas get $50k for 16 players, the rest of Asia/Oceania gets $50k for 16 players. Koreans likely will get 6 slots in the offline finals plus anyone willing to travel to play in the open bracket. They're free to participate in the weekly cups as always. Region lock doesn't even exist anymore. Ppl just complain without knowing how the ecosystem even works. | ||
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Durnuu
13326 Posts
On February 26 2023 02:33 Waxangel wrote: Region lock doesn't even exist anymore. Ppl just complain without knowing how the ecosystem even works. Of course it still does, otherwise people would have farmed DH masters NA lmao | ||
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Waxangel
United States33705 Posts
On February 26 2023 02:57 Durnuu wrote: Of course it still does, otherwise people would have farmed DH masters NA lmao You're actually proving you also don't understand the structure of WCS/EPT the best I'll accept is an "it's complicated"  | ||
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TossHeroes
281 Posts
Since the beginning of SC2 GSL has always been TOP heavy with their prize pool split that it was quite laughable. Winner gets 30-40K, runner up was like 10K and the rest gets peanuts Korea has themselves only to blame for not supporting their own talent Blizzard dumped money in SC2 for years and the split was always roughly 50% for Korea and 50% for the rest of the world. The rest of the world was able to grow the game and support new blood. While Korea fail to do the same because their prize pool management was a joke | ||
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AcrossFromTime
29 Posts
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jinjin5000
United States1560 Posts
On February 25 2023 08:31 Fango wrote: Honestly GSL viewership isn't even that bad. Games like CSGO do a hundred times better on twitch, but youtube and VOD numbers of GSL are as good if not better a lot of the time. Even Lowko and PiG pull great views on their daily videos. Especially with the timezone difference of a korean tournament streamed in english, youtube is just the better platform for it. Sadly I can only see the top 10 koreans being able to stay full time. Unless the community events pull through big time. Homestory Cup, WTL, ASL English, and the countless other events funded by its own sponsors or crownfunding shows how much the scene can support itself even without Blizzard money. are you mad? GSL viewership on afreeca was dreadful to say the least... It wasn't bad at all for english casts on youtube but Afreeca korean stream numbers weren't great for very long time. | ||
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Durnuu
13326 Posts
On February 26 2023 05:20 Waxangel wrote: You're actually proving you also don't understand the structure of WCS/EPT the best I'll accept is an "it's complicated" Please enlighten me with your condescending tone then, because as far as I know, it's pretty close to 2013 with DH Masters regionals and GSL being the equivalent of WCS EU/NA and GSL/OSL, DH Masters Atlanta/Valencia etc. the equivalent of WCS Seasonal Finals, except this rule is here to protect foreigners from korean invasion. | ||
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QOGQOG
834 Posts
On February 26 2023 11:38 Durnuu wrote: Please enlighten me with your condescending tone then, because as far as I know, it's pretty close to 2013 with DH Masters regionals and GSL being the equivalent of WCS EU/NA and GSL/OSL, DH Masters Atlanta/Valencia etc. the equivalent of WCS Seasonal Finals, except this rule is here to protect foreigners from korean invasion. Yeah, literally every big tournament other than GSL is either restricted to a specific region or has a certain number of spots for each region. Not sure what that guy's on about. | ||
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