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GSL 2023: Significant contraction announced - Page 5

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argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2716 Posts
February 24 2023 12:59 GMT
#81
On February 24 2023 21:47 digmouse wrote:
Oh one thing I probably should mention is that the Chinese side will likely have things to somewhat make up the lost prize money. I don't think they'll fully do it, but it's at least better than nothing.

A critical thing imo is if Activision-Blizzard (and some Chinese gaming company X) is still reaching out and interested in restoring Blizzard games in China. It's kind of a travesty at this point that much of the scene is supported by Chinese fans and they can't even play the game officially.
very illegal and very uncool
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
February 24 2023 13:02 GMT
#82
On February 24 2023 21:28 hfgretztrgdf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2023 17:22 CicadaSC wrote:
On February 24 2023 16:41 TheCheapSkate wrote:
Beginning of the end. Glad I was able to see Katowice live this year. It was a good ride. Hope Stormgate delivers.

It will. The guys making already made sc2. They know what they are doing.

If they knew what they were doing, why didnt they make Starcraft 2 perfect on release?

I don't even know where to begin answering this question
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
Comedy
Profile Joined March 2016
456 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-02-24 13:05:23
February 24 2023 13:03 GMT
#83
I know people don't like to hear it but GSL has already ran far longer than it had any right to. Blizzard invested so much money into it to keep it alive, and viewership has been so low. In korea they never cared about SC2. I'm grateful for how long we've been able to enjoy GSL.

Hopefully we see some big names come back to Broodwar which, is still huge in Korea!
Comedy
Profile Joined March 2016
456 Posts
February 24 2023 13:06 GMT
#84
On February 24 2023 22:02 Schelim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2023 21:28 hfgretztrgdf wrote:
On February 24 2023 17:22 CicadaSC wrote:
On February 24 2023 16:41 TheCheapSkate wrote:
Beginning of the end. Glad I was able to see Katowice live this year. It was a good ride. Hope Stormgate delivers.

It will. The guys making already made sc2. They know what they are doing.

If they knew what they were doing, why didnt they make Starcraft 2 perfect on release?

I don't even know where to begin answering this question


It's another topic but, the guys who made stormgate are the guys who are super into warcraft 3 and co-op and appeal to casuals. So If it's going to be anything like Starcraft, is questionable..
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15910 Posts
February 24 2023 13:07 GMT
#85
On February 24 2023 21:28 hfgretztrgdf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2023 17:22 CicadaSC wrote:
On February 24 2023 16:41 TheCheapSkate wrote:
Beginning of the end. Glad I was able to see Katowice live this year. It was a good ride. Hope Stormgate delivers.

It will. The guys making already made sc2. They know what they are doing.

If they knew what they were doing, why didnt they make Starcraft 2 perfect on release?

Because they still had 2 expansions to go where they had to implement new units etc
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2716 Posts
February 24 2023 13:31 GMT
#86
I'm not big on this hope that Stormgate will save RTS esports. Even if they make the perfect RTS successor (and that's a big if), Frost Giant is not Blizzard, as in right now they don't have the money or manpower to hype up the game as a popular competitive esports hosting massive tournaments.
very illegal and very uncool
Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
February 24 2023 13:57 GMT
#87
On February 24 2023 06:25 argonautdice wrote:
Well at least Maru won G5L before this massive downsizing.

Exactly, now we don't have to have an eternal fight over if his dominance was deserved.
Mine gas, build tanks.
Moonerz
Profile Joined March 2014
United States444 Posts
February 24 2023 14:42 GMT
#88
Curious if there was any talk of ending the current region lock and maybe going back to like the old WCS region lock, where you just had to live where you were competing (Like when Polt was in NA Stardust in EU). Maybe ESL didn't want to do this now because that would for sure hurt GSL. I'm not even sure who would be willing to do that but someone like Solar comes to mind and probably a few others. But I bet at this point yeah most of these guys are going to look to go to the military and get it out of the way.

Just imo its better for the health of the scene if we can retain as many of the KR pros as possible.
tlnetuser108
Profile Joined October 2022
83 Posts
February 24 2023 14:50 GMT
#89
What Destiny said to DJ Wheat, Idra, InControl and Pain User was and still is totally accurate. Spot on even in 2023

catplanetcatplanet
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3829 Posts
February 24 2023 15:11 GMT
#90
man this fucking hurts
I think it's finally time to admit it might not be the year of Pet
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13972 Posts
February 24 2023 15:28 GMT
#91
On February 24 2023 17:22 CicadaSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2023 16:41 TheCheapSkate wrote:
Beginning of the end. Glad I was able to see Katowice live this year. It was a good ride. Hope Stormgate delivers.

It will. The guys making already made sc2. They know what they are doing.

They helped with SC2 later on. Browder and David Kim arent on the frostgiants team
Kaina + Drones Linkcro Summon Cupsie Yummy Way
tili
Profile Joined July 2012
United States1332 Posts
February 24 2023 16:39 GMT
#92
Brutal. I hope something new/homegrown will come out of Korea… but maybe too optimistic
mark_lenders
Profile Joined July 2019
74 Posts
February 24 2023 18:41 GMT
#93
On February 24 2023 16:04 Schelim wrote:
does the online ro16/ro8 mean players living outside of Korea can participate?


i guess so, but on the korean server
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4903 Posts
February 24 2023 18:51 GMT
#94
On February 24 2023 23:50 tlnetuser108 wrote:
What Destiny said to DJ Wheat, Idra, InControl and Pain User was and still is totally accurate. Spot on even in 2023

https://youtu.be/e-l7gS7v4n4


who are these people?
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
February 24 2023 20:41 GMT
#95
On February 25 2023 03:51 Argonauta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2023 23:50 tlnetuser108 wrote:
What Destiny said to DJ Wheat, Idra, InControl and Pain User was and still is totally accurate. Spot on even in 2023

https://youtu.be/e-l7gS7v4n4


who are these people?

oh, sweet summer child :')
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13972 Posts
February 24 2023 21:07 GMT
#96
On February 25 2023 03:51 Argonauta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2023 23:50 tlnetuser108 wrote:
What Destiny said to DJ Wheat, Idra, InControl and Pain User was and still is totally accurate. Spot on even in 2023

https://youtu.be/e-l7gS7v4n4


who are these people?

I'm disappointed.
Kaina + Drones Linkcro Summon Cupsie Yummy Way
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
February 24 2023 21:13 GMT
#97
Shame, big shame but expected. Both SCs are now hurting with ASL being delayed more and more. Blizz could revive the game and scene by just contuining to support it, by pushing new content bit by bit but greediness at the end won. But I still believe this is not end, we saw BW overcame dark ages when SC2 transition happened so I'm expecting we're going to always see tournaments running around.
sunbeams are never made like me...
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15910 Posts
February 24 2023 21:36 GMT
#98
On February 25 2023 06:07 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2023 03:51 Argonauta wrote:
On February 24 2023 23:50 tlnetuser108 wrote:
What Destiny said to DJ Wheat, Idra, InControl and Pain User was and still is totally accurate. Spot on even in 2023

https://youtu.be/e-l7gS7v4n4


who are these people?

I'm disappointed.

I don't think he's serious
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
QOGQOG
Profile Joined July 2019
834 Posts
February 24 2023 21:46 GMT
#99
If they don't adjust region locking I don't see how the Korean scene can survive.
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
February 24 2023 22:16 GMT
#100
On February 25 2023 06:36 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2023 06:07 Cricketer12 wrote:
On February 25 2023 03:51 Argonauta wrote:
On February 24 2023 23:50 tlnetuser108 wrote:
What Destiny said to DJ Wheat, Idra, InControl and Pain User was and still is totally accurate. Spot on even in 2023

https://youtu.be/e-l7gS7v4n4


who are these people?

I'm disappointed.

I don't think he's serious

his account was made in July 2016. i'd bet he recognizes geoff, but anyone that wasn't following during WOL probably doesn't recognize idra or pain user. maybe they recognize djWheat from other things?

even destiny's current viewers get surprised when he starts playing starcraft. the nujabes with kyle days have long since passed.
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
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