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SoCal8920 Posts
On February 24 2023 06:22 Waxangel wrote:
I think the short-term future of Korean scene depends on the information we get about Stormgate. If there's enough info to believe that they'll have meaningful esports within a year, a surprising # of players might stick around the SC2 scene to make sure they're in active shape.
If the timeline is longer, I think we'll see a lot of players just rush to get their military service done now, and then scope the RTS esports scene out when they're back.
I don't believe that Stormgate will be ready fast enough to capitalize on this.
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On February 24 2023 04:28 geokilla wrote:I anticipate a lot of retirement announcements. Most of the players are gone anyways and the prize pool is minuscule. There's no way players can support themselves while having a career in SC2. Show nested quote +On February 24 2023 04:25 swarminfestor wrote:
Does it means the Super Tournament will be conducted before season 1 begins? There is no Super Tournament.
From SC2? Yeah, maybe..
But Wouldn't streaming Brood War be a good idea?
afaik that is a pretty damn good source of revenue even for the lower level/less known pros
Interesting times ahead.
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And people really thought Artosis ditched GSL for his family lol. He left because he saw the writing on the wall
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On February 24 2023 07:36 tlnetuser108 wrote:
And people really thought Artosis ditched GSL for his family lol. He left because he saw the writing on the wall
Idk, man.. S. Korean costs of living are a bummer. Especially if you have such a big family.
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people mourning like GSL is totally cancelled instead of being grateful we get another year is what I cant understand. of course this is sad but its also not totally unforeseen. GSL numbers in korea have been shit for years. thank you afreeca for at least one more year of this legendary league!
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On February 24 2023 07:48 Andi_Goldberger wrote:
people mourning like GSL is totally cancelled instead of being grateful we get another year is what I cant understand. of course this is sad but its also not totally unforeseen. GSL numbers in korea have been shit for years. thank you afreeca for at least one more year of this legendary league!
Why be happy for impending doom? Thats like not being sad when your best friend announces that he has a year to live and then will die of cancer. "Well you're gonna die, but let's think on the brightside! You got a year left"
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On February 24 2023 07:48 Andi_Goldberger wrote:
people mourning like GSL is totally cancelled instead of being grateful we get another year is what I cant understand. of course this is sad but its also not totally unforeseen. GSL numbers in korea have been shit for years. thank you afreeca for at least one more year of this legendary league!
yes, people are right to mourn. GSL is as good as dead dude. online until the semis? no studio? c'mon, this isn't GSL. I almost wish it disappeared entirely and became a happy memory. I'm not sure I can stomach watching it in such a diminished state. at least I'm glad that ESL can support the highest performing players for another year
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On February 24 2023 08:08 tlnetuser108 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2023 07:48 Andi_Goldberger wrote:
people mourning like GSL is totally cancelled instead of being grateful we get another year is what I cant understand. of course this is sad but its also not totally unforeseen. GSL numbers in korea have been shit for years. thank you afreeca for at least one more year of this legendary league! Why be happy for impending doom? Thats like not being sad when your best friend announces that he has a year to live and then will die of cancer. "Well you're gonna die, but let's think on the brightside! You got a year left"
So you would prefer if your friend dies immediately?
Don't get me wrong, of course you can be sad or dissappointed or even angry. But the fact is, that SC2 has a really low standing in Korea compared to LoL, Valorant or even Overwatch and BroodWar. You could argue it already was blown out of proportion last year. And in the end, GSL is a national tournament, that mainly gets revenue through its home-market.
While the cut is drastic, I would assume Afreeca did the best they could without it being harmful to the company.
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Don't worry fans, there will always be a home for your favorite players in Broodwar.
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On February 24 2023 08:08 tlnetuser108 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2023 07:48 Andi_Goldberger wrote:
people mourning like GSL is totally cancelled instead of being grateful we get another year is what I cant understand. of course this is sad but its also not totally unforeseen. GSL numbers in korea have been shit for years. thank you afreeca for at least one more year of this legendary league! Why be happy for impending doom? Thats like not being sad when your best friend announces that he has a year to live and then will die of cancer. "Well you're gonna die, but let's think on the brightside! You got a year left"
that is literally the attiude people have had towards sc2 since like 2012 and its so tiresome.
the negativity in this scene has been overwhelming for years and years.I am not saying be happy because GSL is obviously ending. I am saying lets make the best out of what we are getting (and all that we have gotten!) and lets not be delusional about the state of the korean scene or sc2 in general. maybe I am just in another phase of the famous 5 stages of grief than most of the sc2 fans are.
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Damn, it's really saddening, but we knew this would happen eventually.
Think of how much money goes into all the production, the casters, the hostess, all the staff running the studio, etc... just for a few hundred online Korean views, and ~20-50 in the audience for most matches.
At the least, Rogue got a 4th GSL win, Maru got G5L, and Oliveira got his cinderella run just before this, so we can at least feel we had a satisfying conclusion to the era.
I'm really happy that we at least got that, and also that GSL lasted as long as it did as a premiere tournament.
I'm sad that we won't get to see Round Robin in 2023. I was really happy and enjoying how many more games and matchups there were, and it felt more engaging because there were more ways players could advance than the simple groups of 4.
I'm sad that we won't get to see the continued rise of players like Ragnarok and Creator.
It's sad that we won't get to stick around long enough to see if newer players like Percival, Spear, etc., may be able to get a foothold in GSL.
I'm sad that we won't get to watch a GSL grand finals knowing a lot is on the line and that we can expect top notch premiere level competition.
I'm sad that we won't get to see the level of play and intensity like in Creator vs Rogue. (Creator made lots of big mistakes, but godamn the games he won he did amazing in, like the adept game was surprisingly impressive).
I expect a lot of retirements too, but I guess a few of the best might stick around, right? Maybe even some of the best would feel it's not worth it and players like Creator would stick around hoping for easier competition.
It must be so crushing for players like Creator to see that after they started to get good again, that GSL will be a shadow, and they'll never be able to win a premiere GSL.
At the least, ESL is continuing, and players can compete globally... I guess that's something.
Anyway, I'll be happy with what I can get at this point, SC2 has lived long for 12 years already.
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Not surprising at all, GSL and Afreeca based SC2 has been on a slow but steady decline for awhile, Activision won't lift a finger if profits can't be made regularly from a game, that's why there are still WoW expansions.
GSL comes on too infrequently to really make me upset about it anyways, it's been the same 16 players advancing for many years now, international tournaments are overall just more interesting to me.
All that being said, SC2 isn't a young game, and all good things must come to an end.
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Goodnight, sweet prince. Hell of a ride.
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Mexico2170 Posts
On February 24 2023 08:20 Balnazza wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2023 08:08 tlnetuser108 wrote:On February 24 2023 07:48 Andi_Goldberger wrote:
people mourning like GSL is totally cancelled instead of being grateful we get another year is what I cant understand. of course this is sad but its also not totally unforeseen. GSL numbers in korea have been shit for years. thank you afreeca for at least one more year of this legendary league! Why be happy for impending doom? Thats like not being sad when your best friend announces that he has a year to live and then will die of cancer. "Well you're gonna die, but let's think on the brightside! You got a year left" So you would prefer if your friend dies immediately? Don't get me wrong, of course you can be sad or dissappointed or even angry. But the fact is, that SC2 has a really low standing in Korea compared to LoL, Valorant or even Overwatch and BroodWar. You could argue it already was blown out of proportion last year. And in the end, GSL is a national tournament, that mainly gets revenue through its home-market. While the cut is drastic, I would assume Afreeca did the best they could without it being harmful to the company.
Is ir better that your friend got cancer and will die in 6 months instead of dying suddenly in a car crash?
Both suck. Theres no better one.
I dont think you can be happy about either, but i do agree with you that we should at leadt be thankful of having a little epilogue.
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Sad to see GSL needing to downsize as much, The prize pool reduction is really big. I wish they were open to community support, I would gladly contribute to the prize pool of a tournament that has given me so many hours of high-quality entertainment.
Regarding player retirements, my understanding was that the majority of korean players were getting most of their income from their WTL teams anyway. If that is the case, the reduction might not be so important for the maintenance of the pro scene.
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On February 24 2023 09:55 [Phantom] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2023 08:20 Balnazza wrote:On February 24 2023 08:08 tlnetuser108 wrote:On February 24 2023 07:48 Andi_Goldberger wrote:
people mourning like GSL is totally cancelled instead of being grateful we get another year is what I cant understand. of course this is sad but its also not totally unforeseen. GSL numbers in korea have been shit for years. thank you afreeca for at least one more year of this legendary league! Why be happy for impending doom? Thats like not being sad when your best friend announces that he has a year to live and then will die of cancer. "Well you're gonna die, but let's think on the brightside! You got a year left" So you would prefer if your friend dies immediately? Don't get me wrong, of course you can be sad or dissappointed or even angry. But the fact is, that SC2 has a really low standing in Korea compared to LoL, Valorant or even Overwatch and BroodWar. You could argue it already was blown out of proportion last year. And in the end, GSL is a national tournament, that mainly gets revenue through its home-market. While the cut is drastic, I would assume Afreeca did the best they could without it being harmful to the company. Is ir better that your friend got cancer and will die in 6 months instead of dying suddenly in a car crash? Both suck. Theres no better one. I dont think you can be happy about either, but i do agree with you that we should at leadt be thankful of having a little epilogue.
its gonna be better than the LOTV epilogue thats for certain at least :p
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end of an era, but it was inevitable that money would tapper off. Im just thankful for all the times we had. And im glad they are giving a diminished turney a try instead of just abandoning the project all together.
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This is sad. Embarrassing prize pool. I always wanted to see GSL live and was looking at going to Korea next year or 2. I don't think I'll want to watch it live now that its on its last breath, that's just a sad memory lol. Shame couldn't see it during its good times. Would of loved to have seen it a few years ago or even just a couple. Now i finally have a job that pays ok and save for a trip. RIP
Looks like Sc2 in Korea going to almost die with this. ASL is still great tho. Looks like European scene will be where it's at.
Seems to be no real new pros in sc2 in Korea and will be even less now. It might just be better if this is the last year of GSL. It if Goes next year it will be even more on life support then this. GSL prize pool is this year is less then one season of last year.
We have been lucky to have it go this long considering it never really made money for awhile. Even when GSL had a decent foreign audience they never did anything to monetise that audience. Was almost like a charity stream for us to enjoy.
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