EPTOliveira wins IEM Katowice 2023 - Page 2
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Brutaxilos
United States2622 Posts
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Cricketer12
United States13949 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16011 Posts
On February 15 2023 00:14 Brutaxilos wrote: The only explanation for the upset is that Oliveira was ALWAYS this good, he just lacked the confidence. Now that he's got the championship mentality I'm certain he'll continue to do well going forward. He's always had the potential. He's been a player that for four years was capable of taking games off of literally anyone, and on a bad day will blow out 0-4 in a group to inferior players. What's always struck me about TIMEveira is that he always plays fearlessly. For better or for worse, he plays as though he believes he is as good or better than the opponent he is facing, no matter who that is. And here at IEM, he just played free and loose. Like he had nothing to lose because he had already gotten farther than anyone expected to. While Reynor, herO and Maru all faced pressure to achieve victory either because they had to represent their Starcraft race, win the only trophy missing from their trophy case or just because they are young and nervous, Oliveira just played without any fear. I believe it was his ability to win the mental and emotional contest that truly mattered the most here, and on the big stage that might matter more than anything. | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10301 Posts
Oliveira makes me and others believe that i can happen by showing that it DID HAPPEN, if you fight for it with all your passion. His speech about being "normal man" (should be his new ID!) was so touching it actually made me cry. Serral winning WCS and other moments where huge in SC2. But Oliveira was not only the greatest moment in SC2 history, but one of the best in Esports history, period. I am a fan for life now. GG WP Oliveira, World Champion! | ||
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argonautdice
Canada2704 Posts
On February 15 2023 00:14 Brutaxilos wrote: The only explanation for the upset is that Oliveira was ALWAYS this good, he just lacked the confidence. Now that he's got the championship mentality I'm certain he'll continue to do well going forward. Well two things: 1) most of the time we see Oliveira play it's cross server online with horrible lag, so we see suboptimal play. 2) as a long time Oliveira/TIME fan, he certainly didn't always play like this. I'm talking about decision making: so many times I was surprised he pulled back when the opponent was ready or regrouped when I expected him to push his attack in classic TIME fashion. Also notably he never seemed to push any upgrade advantage timing this tournament as I've seen casters noted in at least two separate games, which I'm not sure was intentional. Even his signature attack while defending an attack this IEM I've not seen the timing this crisp before, which I can only attribute to excellent scouting+"instinct" (aka knowing when attacks tend to come). | ||
digmouse
China6325 Posts
On February 14 2023 23:31 LittlePox wrote: When Oliveira was still new to professional starcraft 2, he used to invite Dear to practice with him (by treating Dear some good meals when Dear was in China for some pro-leagues). One day they had planned to practice together, Dear said Maru was inviting him and he decided to practice with Maru instead. Oliveira then asked whether he can OB their game, which Dear agreed. Maru then typed "who is this guy?" and just kicked him out of the game before getting any answer. If Oliveira had a time machine, he probably wishes to introduce himself to Maru: My name is Li Peinan, and I'll be the champion of IEM 2023 Katowice by defeating you. Both are largely not true, actually. At least not under the context of popular belief. | ||
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UnLarva
458 Posts
The Parity. And forever are gone those days when jetlag was an issue. Not to mention a race. Perfectly earned and deserved win. Undisputed best player on the Earth. | ||
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ejozl
Denmark3308 Posts
All hail Oli the normal man! | ||
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oneill12
Romania1222 Posts
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Edpayasugo
United Kingdom2207 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16011 Posts
On February 15 2023 01:26 ejozl wrote: I wanted to be edgy and say this tournament isn't legitimate, because of patch and maps. But this win was just too perfect. I don't think either katowice, or cabal can take credit for what happened. Because this happened despite of all the odds being against him. It's kind of like the ForGG "ECCH!" moment, very emotional and from a super underdog winning, but this was just on the grandest of scales that we have and from a lone Chinese player as well. All hail Oli the normal man! I'm not letting ESL off the hook that easily for their decision to push the patch and the maps out for this tournament when IEM Katowice is supposed to be the global final for the 2022 Starcraft year. That was a stupid decision, and an unfair decision to the players and they got SUPER lucky that a miracle run like Oliveira's (not to mention Serral blanking out in ZvZ) saved the tournament from the doomed narrative that a lot of people expected from it. I'm not even super against the balance patch itself, I just hated the goddamn timing of it, especially when combined the decision to make a gigantic map pool for the tournament which almost always benefits Zerg more than anyone else. So it doesn't seem like a mutually exclusive thing. I can be really happy with TIME's run, and I can still be upset with ESL for their decision making leading into the tournament. | ||
[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
No one can take credit away from Oliveira win here. He didn't have the ebst group stage, but in the play offs he has the most consistent player in the tournament, and the one who played best. Regardless of balance, maps, favorites, bracket. He beat the best players in the world to get the championship. Nobody expected it or believed in him. And he proed he is a great sc2 player. | ||
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tommey.liang
United States358 Posts
First Chinese Terran player. Someone who claims he's "Normal." Someone who had told him he should retire. Someone who changed his years-long nick after a Brazilian MMA fighter/boxer (?). Someone whose dad told him he loves him every day and supports him. That person is Oliveira! Definitely felt so emotional when Smix and Oliveira was tearing up. | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10290 Posts
In the most perplexing aspect of this entire story, the matches actually seemed to get easier as Oliveira's opponents got harder. What if Rogue was unretired and the final extra boss, would Oliveira just be so on fire that he'd 4-0 him? xD I'm so happy to have watched this live, this was in many ways the most memorable tournament/finals/winner in SC2. As for how Oliveira pulled this off? He's no doubt good, if he's ranked #15-20 in the world, so it's not like he's not within striking distance to take games off the top players. So the base skill is there. I think a lot of it just has to do with playing in the zone and his mentality. He loves SC2 and focused on his passion for that and to give fans as good games to watch as possible even if he loses, rather than being distracted or fearful of losing and what other people may think of him. It's so important to focus on the game itself and not the result. Sometimes you may have practiced and improved, but can still lose to an opponent for various reasons. All you can do is focus on what you practiced and execute that, thinking about the result of win/loss isn't relevant, and you can't let win/loss be the measure of how well you actually played. These are the reasons for his success that he cited as well. Being the underdog also helps, experiencing this rush of confidence, adrenaline, excitement, passion, etc. I've experienced it a couple times before where i played past my skill and advanced much further in a tournament that people expected, so I feel I can relate as I also reminded myself of the same things Oliveira said. Focusing on your love for the game, wanting to show good games, not caring about losing, focusing on what you practiced, focusing on believing that you CAN actually win but also knowing it's not something you can force and you simply need to execute to the best of your abilities and let the results be wha they will be. His wholesome mindset also helped to motivate him and instill confidence, because of his beliefs in hard work, that pros are just normal people too, etc. He was passionate and playing not just for himself but to inspire other people, so he had a lot of reason and motivation to perform to his best and fight off fears/anxieties. It's like a mindset that acts as a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you're a top player, there is the fear of losing to someone perceived to be worse than you, the embarrassment, the tilt, the disappointment in yourself, etc. You've also reached very far in tournies before, so you won't have that first time rush of excitement/euphoria/confidence/passion that Oliveira experienced. (This isn't to excuse top players or anything, as there are obviously also mental challenges an underdog has that a top player won't have as much.) | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15829 Posts
Also he just seems like an extremely wholesome dude in general. Before this tournament I knew nothing about him except him being a pretty good terran player. | ||
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argonautdice
Canada2704 Posts
On February 15 2023 03:38 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: What if Rogue was unretired and the final extra boss, would Oliveira just be so on fire that he'd 4-0 him? xD It would be really funny if Rogue was the hidden final boss and Oliveira beats him since he would've beaten all the GSL Code S champions this year at IEM. | ||
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pawacoteng
4 Posts
Have to give big kudos to ZG. She slayed in this tournament, and her game 2 hype casting really got me rooting against my own main race, and actually rooting for a Terran! Well done to her but even bigger well done for Time/Oliveria. Such an inspirational story - this could actually go down as a better run than the Soo championship as the most emotional SC2 tournament in history. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8988 Posts
Also, someone give whoever write the "Age of parity" thing a cookie. | ||
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rickzou
46 Posts
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Mizenhauer
United States1782 Posts
On February 15 2023 06:54 rickzou wrote: Most memorable IEM in SC2 history! Either you're from China, you started playing StarCraft II yesterday, or you have a terrible memory. | ||
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