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Cricketer12
United States13990 Posts
On February 15 2023 08:46 Mizenhauer wrote: Either you're from China, you started playing StarCraft II yesterday, or you have a terrible memory. Miz you just mad Oli beat out soO for best IEM cinderella story | ||
Poopi
France12906 Posts
On February 15 2023 08:57 Cricketer12 wrote: Miz you just mad Oli beat out soO for best IEM cinderella story Pretty sure Oliveira winning is most memorable than soO winning indeed. Even though soO was not expected to win and beat supposedly superior zergs at the time such as Serral to do so, 2019 was the worst recent year in terms of balance and a 5-6 times GSL finalist winning a WC is not as big of an underdog story as Oliveira. | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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championiasonu
8 Posts
On February 15 2023 08:46 Mizenhauer wrote: Either you're from China, you started playing StarCraft II yesterday, or you have a terrible memory. You have poor judgment. | ||
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time win
China2 Posts
So I'm sorry to everyone that there is a stupid man from china spread rumors。As we all know，Even the best places will have some idiot. | ||
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superggn
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kkw
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SC has accompanied the youth of many Chinese players, so even though many players have afk due to work, they still pay attention to the game as a viewer. The results of Chinese players has been lackluster in the past 10 years, and the audience was always disappointed in WCS and IEM. The suspension of sc2 updates and server closure are a heavy blow to the Chinese community. It seems that Chinese sc has no future. Oliveira is almost the rising star of the last generation of young players. All the Chinese fans poured all their attention on him and put him under tremendous pressure. So, it's not just a Cinderella story. We are more aware of Oliveira's difficulty and persistence behind the scenes. He responded to all doubts and denials with the trophy. Everyone was crazy about it, and to this day I still think it was a dream, everything is so unreal. Oliveira's wonderful game and tenacious will moved me. And his enthusiasm and sincere post-game interview inspired our love for the game and even more our passion for life. He said: "Nothing is impossible, even an ordinary person like me can win the world championship." So touching! I think the charm of esports lies in uniting people from different regions and languages, making them moved by the same thing, and letting people experience the beauty of life. | ||
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loft
United States344 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16113 Posts
On February 15 2023 09:09 Poopi wrote: Pretty sure Oliveira winning is most memorable than soO winning indeed. Even though soO was not expected to win and beat supposedly superior zergs at the time such as Serral to do so, 2019 was the worst recent year in terms of balance and a 5-6 times GSL finalist winning a WC is not as big of an underdog story as Oliveira. That's revisionist history right there. Yea IEM 2019 showed some of the early warning signs of how bad the balance was going to be later in the year, paritcularly with Nydus Worms, but we weren't at critical levels of Zerg dominating everything just yet because it was the first big tournament of the year. Not only that but soO's run had the entire "he was a kong and now he's a champion" narrative driving it. I still think Oliveira's run is better due to the fact that China's SC2 is being shut down and he was talking about retirement before winning it. But I think the two runs are closer than you're giving them credit for. | ||
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AirbladeOrange
United States2573 Posts
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10366 Posts
On February 15 2023 13:18 Vindicare605 wrote: That's revisionist history right there. Yea IEM 2019 showed some of the early warning signs of how bad the balance was going to be later in the year, paritcularly with Nydus Worms, but we weren't at critical levels of Zerg dominating everything just yet because it was the first big tournament of the year. Not only that but soO's run had the entire "he was a kong and now he's a champion" narrative driving it. I still think Oliveira's run is better due to the fact that China's SC2 is being shut down and he was talking about retirement before winning it. But I think the two runs are closer than you're giving them credit for. I think most people can rally behind a story of someone who is not GSL tier winning the world championship, while beating the best player (or tied for best) of each race. And not just close matches but stomping 2 of them 3-1 and 4-1. It's satisfying to watch a kong win a tournament as well, but it's not nearly the same IMO. Soo is already someone who people knew and felt was good enough to win a GSL, it's just that he felt slightly short many times. It's much more amazing and fantasy-like for someone who was not expected to really get out of groups, who has never won a major let alone premier tournament let alone get in top 4-8, having a hard bracket run and winning the whole thing. Also just cus Oliveira is also a foreigner while soo is a korean progamer. I think Serral being the first foreigner to win at the caliber of whatever tourny he won was more amazing/memorable than soo's too, but i guess that wasn't an IEM and may not be part of the discussion. I'd say they were both emotional stories for sure, but Oliveira's is on another tier, where people who have not watched SC in a decade are coming back to hear about this and watch. On February 15 2023 11:32 loft wrote: Time had beautiful army movements over and over... insane. There was one game vs Hero when Hero is patrolling with phoenix, Time shoots down an observer, knows the position of phoenix, and instantly sends 2 dropships out in the fog of war. Drops in the main of Hero, sends an army to destroy an exposed base, and seals the game. I can't believe he pulled moves like this off over and over. Constantly finding massive counters the his opponents gameplans. It really is insane how crisp and clean everything was! It's not easy at all pulling off those split second decisions. If any of his moves didn't go quite as planned, it could have ruined the rest of it. So considering how smoothly things were going for him at IEM - it also meant that there were times things didn't go as planned, but he still adapted and reacted so well and so quickly and didn't buckle under pressure. Also someone else mentioned this before, it really is unseen how good he was at retreating right at the right moment. He did it several times this tournament, where he'd retreat just seconds before the opponent was about to pounce on him and break out. One time he lost a couple tanks and maybe could have retreated a couple seconds earlier, but even in that case it's something very rarely seen even in GSL. He must have just really been in the zone and had a feel for when things would happen based on intuition. It's even more impressive because of how most underdog players would be too tempted to force a fight if they feel they are close to closing the game out, especially at match point, excited to pop off for beating a top player. For example vs Reynor, in g5 and other times, he may have possibly been able to end the game in an early push if he kept going, but he had the self-control to back up and play the long game. Most people would probably just want to gamble the push fearing that as the game went longer, the better player would climb back and have a higher chance of winning. | ||
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Mountain_Lee
87 Posts
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Narberal
China3 Posts
I count myself fortunate indeed to approach such a good game , meet such characteristic players and get acquainted with such charming friends through StarCraft II! | ||
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NET
United States703 Posts
gg wp | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On February 15 2023 08:46 Mizenhauer wrote: Either you're from China, you started playing StarCraft II yesterday, or you have a terrible memory. ??? What run even vaguely compares to this? | ||
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ZeroByte13
780 Posts
- highest stakes possible (world championship) - a player who was ranked #21 and never won anything outside of his very weak region - wins vs strongest players of every race soO run was magical but he was 6 time GSL runner-up, his legacy and status were not comparable at all to Oliveira's. Serral's 2018 WCS win was fantastic but it was a guy who dominated the non-korean scene for entire year at that point. | ||
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Akio
Finland1838 Posts
On February 15 2023 08:46 Mizenhauer wrote: Either you're from China, you started playing StarCraft II yesterday, or you have a terrible memory. Come on man, let's allow some hype-fueled recency bias in the recap thread  | ||
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Poopi
France12906 Posts
On February 15 2023 13:18 Vindicare605 wrote: That's revisionist history right there. Yea IEM 2019 showed some of the early warning signs of how bad the balance was going to be later in the year, paritcularly with Nydus Worms, but we weren't at critical levels of Zerg dominating everything just yet because it was the first big tournament of the year. Not only that but soO's run had the entire "he was a kong and now he's a champion" narrative driving it. I still think Oliveira's run is better due to the fact that China's SC2 is being shut down and he was talking about retirement before winning it. But I think the two runs are closer than you're giving them credit for. Zerg was already super strong in 2018 and afaik they weren’t significantly nerfed after BlizzCon, so yes the balance was already bad. See, no terran even managed to qualify for playoffs except TY, and then he lost quickly (  IEM Season XIII - Katowice | ||
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Eayon
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Glorfindelio
220 Posts
On February 15 2023 18:18 Poopi wrote: Zerg was already super strong in 2018 and afaik they weren’t significantly nerfed after BlizzCon, so yes the balance was already bad. See, no terran even managed to qualify for playoffs except TY, and then he lost quickly ( IEM Season XIII - Katowice For some added context that year--Maru bombed out of group stages because of his weak TvP at the time, (he actually 2-0ed Dark, who won his group). Innovation was in awful, horrible form and then, yes, TY didn't have a great time in ZvT, whether because of balance, etc. People tend to forget that Maru, Inno and TY were the only terrans that did anything for YEARS (with the blip of Gumiho and his Gumigod mech builds). | ||
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