On January 06 2023 01:56 Legan wrote:
Sinistro commented in Reddit that people should be more reasonable with their expectations regarding when the maps are actually put to ladder.

I feel like we've waited a reasonable amount of time. Players want the new maps out there a little before Katowice as was communicated to them, not last minute.

Legan

Finland577 Posts

January 06 2023 13:30 GMT

#45

On January 06 2023 08:45 CicadaSC wrote:

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I feel like we've waited a reasonable amount of time. Players want the new maps out there a little before Katowice as was communicated to them, not last minute.

I think the comment was made because people jumped on the maintenance date as if it was confirmed to have the patch and maps, and not as Blizzard should not be expected to be ready to push the changes at this point.

geokilla

Canada8245 Posts

January 10 2023 04:02 GMT

#46

Watching these maps being played on ESL Open Cup and man they're big. It's so Zerg and Protoss favoured. How can Terran win at the highest level?

StasisField

United States1086 Posts

January 10 2023 05:12 GMT

#47

On January 05 2023 16:21 ZeroByte13 wrote:

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Even if it's ZvZ finals with 3 Z in semifinals?

It's the final tournament of the season. Wouldn't have it any other way

CicadaSC

United States1892 Posts

January 10 2023 08:47 GMT

#48

On January 10 2023 13:02 geokilla wrote:
Watching these maps being played on ESL Open Cup and man they're big. It's so Zerg and Protoss favoured. How can Terran win at the highest level?

big maps are good for terran vs protoss with good dropship play. it only gets tricky if you want to play ghost liberator style

MJG

United Kingdom1430 Posts

January 10 2023 09:17 GMT

#49

On January 10 2023 13:02 geokilla wrote:
Watching these maps being played on ESL Open Cup and man they're big. It's so Zerg and Protoss favoured. How can Terran win at the highest level?

Maps were too small for a couple of years, just right for a couple of years, and have been too big for almost 10 years tbh.

Garnet

Vietnam9034 Posts

January 11 2023 04:16 GMT

#50

Can someone post the descriptions of the maps in-game? I don't have SC2 installed.

Vindicare605

United States16121 Posts

January 12 2023 23:56 GMT

#51

https://old.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/10a33ye/infographics_of_new_maps_as_of_jan_2023/

We're looking at a historically huge map pool, with a historic number of bases per player.

buzz_bender

445 Posts

January 13 2023 07:19 GMT

#52

On January 13 2023 08:56 Vindicare605 wrote:
https://old.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/10a33ye/infographics_of_new_maps_as_of_jan_2023/

We're looking at a historically huge map pool, with a historic number of bases per player.

Seems to be more and more likely a Zerg champion again? This is beginning to feel like 2019, where the maps were hugely Zerg favoured and Broodlord infestor meta. It's not as bad, but it does feel like there's an air on inevitability. I wonder how the players are feeling.

With the latest version of the patch, it doesn't feel as bad as the buffs are toned down. But I think the balance with the maps is something that most people have not talked about.

Yoshi Kirishima

United States10366 Posts

January 13 2023 11:20 GMT

#53

Big maps are fine and good for SC2, the issue is that it favors Zerg. Remember Tal'Darim, sure the balance was off but it created such great games because you could expand to other corners, spread out your production, there were many areas to attack and many tactics. If maps are bigger and have more bases, it'll be more back and forth and have that more "spread out" feeling that LotV successfully pushed the game more into, to be more like BW. (Rather than games ending in 1 fight as much, because then on modern maps your 3-4 easy to take bases are easily choked off immediately once you lose a big fight). Ideally, maps can have more bases and be bigger, that becomes the norm, and Zerg is nerfed to adjust for that. (Bigger maps might actually balance out Zerg lategame a bit, since BL/Queen/Spore deathball immobility would be heavily abusable). Protoss and Terran could even have a lategame upgrade for static defense to help hold far away bases a little more cost efficiently. (Static defense is much weaker lategame in SC2 due to DPS density thanks to clumping and better pathing).

It's a complete farce if this balance patch goes through for Katowice though. It's literally the final event of the circuit, why the hell would you change things now? Especially because this patch is quite shit, at best it's controversial and highly experimental. They're still making random changes back and forth, showing that these aren't solutions they've already figured out and decided on, it's all trial and error. People's livelihoods are on the line, just keep it on the same patch and change things after...

TequilaMockingbird

Germany64 Posts

January 13 2023 18:02 GMT

#54

What exactly are we waiting for at this point ? Surely they will not switch the maps a week before katowice, right ?

tigera6

3479 Posts

January 13 2023 19:04 GMT

#55

On January 14 2023 03:02 TequilaMockingbird wrote:
What exactly are we waiting for at this point ? Surely they will not switch the maps a week before katowice, right ?

The map has already been announced so thats confirmed. We are still waiting for the patch.

[Phantom]

Mexico2170 Posts

January 21 2023 22:52 GMT

#56

Over the 311 pro games played with the new map pool on Liquipedia's map statistics:

TvZ - 52%

PvZ - 36.9%

TvP - 64.1%

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/10hxx2r/winrates_on_the_new_map_pool/

Kantuva

Uruguay210 Posts

January 22 2023 21:54 GMT

#57

"We're looking at a historically huge map pool..."

Just sharing this one here too:
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From: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19YltZj0X8NMY93RTjDEuZUbmLZaTY8WY5Jqq02WSQX8/edit#gid=0

And Rush Distances:

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From: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dY8Q4LCKT95cQNyfgLcyA3nB7RF2cWQRFwKA9yEWxT0/edit?usp=sharing

Thanks to OmniSkeptic for updating these made by me and Avex with the latest maps

[Phantom]

Mexico2170 Posts

January 24 2023 02:15 GMT

#58

Whats your experience wth the new maps so far?

I insta lost 1 pvz cause if you put thepylon the regular spot it blocks your nexus... But appart from that the maps seem to have pretty exposed 4rth bases

Fanatic-Templar

Canada5819 Posts

January 27 2023 03:14 GMT

#59

On January 23 2023 06:54 Kantuva wrote:
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"We're looking at a historically huge map pool..."

Just sharing this one here too:
[image loading]

From: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19YltZj0X8NMY93RTjDEuZUbmLZaTY8WY5Jqq02WSQX8/edit#gid=0

And Rush Distances:

[image loading]

From: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dY8Q4LCKT95cQNyfgLcyA3nB7RF2cWQRFwKA9yEWxT0/edit?usp=sharing

Thanks to OmniSkeptic for updating these made by me and Avex with the latest maps

Man, reading those map names is a trip. Between Echo and Prion Terraces, I don't recognise any of them. I have no explanation for this.

Also, I don't understand the order of the maps. It says "Old to new" but Frost is definitely older than Ulrena or Prion Terraces. Why is Daybreak between New Gettysburg and Habitation Station? Daybreak's one of the defining Wings of Liberty maps. Habitation Station is Heart of the Swarm, and New Gettysburg is Legacy of the Void.