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New Ladder Maps Announced - Used at IEM Katowice
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Waxangel
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Nakajin
Canada8988 Posts
I would be livid if I had to throw out months of preps just week before the biggest event of the year. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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On January 04 2023 11:45 Nakajin wrote: On one hand I'm kind of happy that Kato will be played on a new patch and on new maps and that stuff will be fresh, on the other hand it really feel like a cheap shot to the players. I would be livid if I had to throw out months of preps just week before the biggest event of the year. They still have 4 weeks to prepare for these maps, that's easily enough time to do so, especially because all these "new maps" are more or less just the same archetypes of maps we've seen since forever with new skins on top. The balance patch is a bigger issue, and that one will likely hit before katowice too i imagine. | ||
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buzz_bender
445 Posts
On January 04 2023 11:45 Nakajin wrote: On one hand I'm kind of happy that Kato will be played on a new patch and on new maps and that stuff will be fresh, on the other hand it really feel like a cheap shot to the players. I would be livid if I had to throw out months of preps just week before the biggest event of the year. I'm almost certain that they would have told/announced that to the players before the public announcement of these new ladder maps. It was like that for DH Valencia where the players were already practising on these new maps way before they announced it. | ||
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luxon
United States109 Posts
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tigera6
3221 Posts
On January 04 2023 10:09 tigera6 wrote: So they removed all the short distance map with potential for 2 base all-in and give back the standard macro 7-8 base map? And this happen at the same time with Ghost nerf? Why am I not suprised about this? And I am just not a fan of having huge change right into a big tournament without having extensive public play testing before that. I know players are aware of this and have been practicing it, but they probably wont reveal any possible bug or glitch with the map until the main tournament time, aka Parting vs Solar. | ||
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Beelzebub1
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Athenau
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geokilla
Canada8224 Posts
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Mizenhauer
United States1804 Posts
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buzz_bender
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digmouse
China6327 Posts
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syndbg
43 Posts
On January 04 2023 17:44 digmouse wrote: Big balance patch hitting right before Katowice is absurd, either do it now and give players time to adapt or stick to tradition and only release them after major tournaments. Why do you think the players don't know, test or practice on the PTR changes way before it's released? Besides its 4 weeks in advance. | ||
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MJG
United Kingdom835 Posts
On January 04 2023 18:05 syndbg wrote: Why do you think the players don't know, test or practice on the PTR changes way before it's released? Besides its 4 weeks in advance. They're still updating the PTR. | ||
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youaremysin
119 Posts
On January 04 2023 18:05 syndbg wrote: Why do you think the players don't know, test or practice on the PTR changes way before it's released? Besides its 4 weeks in advance. They make multiples changes, sometimes on the same day: like libs going to 2 supply reduced damage, only to be removed and just change the cost. Raven changes are also completely differents from a week ago. It's okay to have no Idea about what you're doing and trying things out but in that case give it time. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16055 Posts
Seriously what the fuck is ESL thinking?! Do they think they need to do this shit to get people to watch? It's fucking Katowice OF COURSE we're going to watch but now we're going to watch knowing that everything that happens in this tournament is a gigantic asterisk because it's being done with a huge set of massive changes right before it. This is stupid. I no longer consider Katowice the "world championships" anymore. They keep doing shit like this that completely compromises the competitive integrity of the tournament. They don't deserve to be called "World Championships" if they are going to do shit like this consistently. On January 04 2023 13:24 Mizenhauer wrote: How easily we forget that blizz once did a balance change two days before a Code S Semifinal. This is a gift compared to that. And so the lesson to be learned is that we're going to do that AGAIN? Oh and that balance patch? Massive favor to Zerg, just like this one is. Typical. Typical. | ||
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syndbg
43 Posts
On January 04 2023 20:04 Vindicare605 wrote: This is stupid. I no longer consider Katowice the "world championships" anymore. I am sure they're gonna remove the world championships from the name, just cause you throw a hissy fit | ||
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KillerSmile
Germany85 Posts
It is unfortunate ofc that you can not separate the individual influence, how much win rates changed for one race over another because of maps vs because of the balance patch. However having both change makes for exciting times, tho I'm gonna be a bit sad to see my own map leave the pool. Also great to see that we get the ESL versions before the ladder versions, so they get to have proper playtesting again and any oversights on the maps hopefully won't make it to ladder. Some people in here are complaining that changing so many things at once so close to a major event to some degree invalidates the tournament outcomes as a measure of the player's skill, but adapting to new circumstances and coming up with new strategies should be part of the skill of playing a god damn strategy game. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16055 Posts
On January 04 2023 20:43 KillerSmile wrote: This is probably easier on the pro players than have the map pool and the game balance change on two separate occasions. It is unfortunate ofc that you can not separate the individual influence, how much win rates changed for one race over another because of maps vs because of the balance patch. However having both change makes for exciting times, tho I'm gonna be a bit sad to see my own map leave the pool. Also great to see that we get the ESL versions before the ladder versions, so they get to have proper playtesting again and any oversights on the maps hopefully won't make it to ladder. Some people in here are complaining that changing so many things at once so close to a major event to some degree invalidates the tournament outcomes as a measure of the player's skill, but adapting to new circumstances and coming up with new strategies should be part of the skill of playing a god damn strategy game. Here's why this doesn't play. The players are qualifying and being seeded for this tournament based on how they performed LAST year, under last year's maps and last year's patch. It makes ZERO sense for any Championship Tournament to completely change the rules of the game during the "finals" of the season. It's completely ridiculous. It's bad enough that ESL has been doing this with maps, including last year's HILARIOUSLY terrible Pride of Aldaris being included in the finals map pool, but now they're going to be opening the finals of the year with a brand new map pool and a brand new set of balance changes that will have no time to be properly settle in the meta before the tournament has to start. Not only is it unfair for the players to have to deal with, but it's an absolute disgrace to anyone that understands ANY sport to call this scenario a world championship. This would be as if the league had introduced a brand new set of regulations for how to referee a game right before the playoffs start, or forced players to play with a brand new ball, or on a brand new surface for the court. It's absurd. I would have hoped that ESL would have learned their lessons about this shit already from 2019 where Nydus Worms took over the tournament out of nowhere, or from last year when the map pool was obviously extremely Zerg favored. But it doesn't seem like they WANT to learn these lessons, as long as people keep giving them excuses to do whatever they feel like. Not this time. These are huge changes that even the players themselves do not want included in the tournament. If they are going to push this shit through anyway then they deserve to be criticized for it. Blizzard NEVER did shit like this before with Blizzcon, even if it would have been good for it like again in 2019 because as the "World Championship" event there's an onus on being the fairest representation of the season you are awarding a title for as possible. IEM Katowice has consistently decided they do not believe in this idea, that they can make radical changes to their tournament that negatively impacts the competitive integrity of it, and still call it a World Championship. I don't agree. They only got the title of "World championship" because we as a community agreed to let them have it after Blizzcon dissolved. They only get to keep using it as long as the community agrees to keep acknowledging them as the best tournament of the year. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15880 Posts
On January 04 2023 20:43 KillerSmile wrote: This is probably easier on the pro players than have the map pool and the game balance change on two separate occasions. It is unfortunate ofc that you can not separate the individual influence, how much win rates changed for one race over another because of maps vs because of the balance patch. However having both change makes for exciting times, tho I'm gonna be a bit sad to see my own map leave the pool. Also great to see that we get the ESL versions before the ladder versions, so they get to have proper playtesting again and any oversights on the maps hopefully won't make it to ladder. Some people in here are complaining that changing so many things at once so close to a major event to some degree invalidates the tournament outcomes as a measure of the player's skill, but adapting to new circumstances and coming up with new strategies should be part of the skill of playing a god damn strategy game. shouldn't it be the other way? Maps being tested on ladder first before they get played on in tournaments? Imbalanced maps on ladder don't matter, but in tournaments they affect the livelihood of pro players | ||
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Ronski
Finland266 Posts
Ancient Cistern: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://liquipedia.net/commons/images/5/55/Ancient_Cistern.jpg) Altitude: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://liquipedia.net/commons/images/6/60/Altitude.jpg) Babylon: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://liquipedia.net/commons/images/8/80/Babylon.jpg) Dragon Scales: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://liquipedia.net/commons/images/a/a5/Dragon_Scales.jpg) Gresvan: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://liquipedia.net/commons/images/2/27/Gresvan.jpg) Neohumanity: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://liquipedia.net/commons/images/5/5c/Neohumanity.jpg) Royal Blood: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://liquipedia.net/commons/images/7/78/Royal_Blood.jpg) | ||
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tigera6
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Charoisaur
Germany15880 Posts
On January 04 2023 21:31 tigera6 wrote: PiG did a quick segment to look at those maps, and most of them are quite huge, a complete reverse from the current map pool. Dragon scale was the only small one, I think, comparing to Moondance/Waterfall/Inside and Outside currently. So a Zerg favored mappool on top of the Zerg patch? Can't wait for that Zatowice | ||
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KillerSmile
Germany85 Posts
On January 04 2023 20:57 Charoisaur wrote: shouldn't it be the other way? Maps being tested on ladder first before they get played on in tournaments? Imbalanced maps on ladder don't matter, but in tournaments they affect the livelihood of pro players Any problems that arise in testing during a weekly cup can be fixed within hours and the ladder play is unaffected because it's still on the old maps. If a problem comes up on ladder, people are gonna veto the map and it will take weeks to get fixed, if at all. The ladder version of Hardwire still has a tank spot on the reaper cliff. Data-C doesn't have a tank spot on the reaper cliff, because it was caught in a weekly cup and fixed, then blizzard uploaded the fixed version to ladder. Tournaments had to use the ESL Hardwire version, but it's still not great to have a flawed map on ladder, even if it's a relatively small thing. Imagine the same thing with a super broken cannon spot. On January 04 2023 20:54 Vindicare605 wrote: Here's why this doesn't play. The players are qualifying and being seeded for this tournament based on how they performed LAST year, under last year's maps and last year's patch. It makes ZERO sense for any Championship Tournament to completely change the rules of the game during the "finals" of the season. It's completely ridiculous. It's bad enough that ESL has been doing this with maps, including last year's HILARIOUSLY terrible Pride of Aldaris being included in the finals map pool, but now they're going to be opening the finals of the year with a brand new map pool and a brand new set of balance changes that will have no time to be properly settle in the meta before the tournament has to start. Not only is it unfair for the players to have to deal with, but it's an absolute disgrace to anyone that understands ANY sport to call this scenario a world championship. This would be as if the league had introduced a brand new set of regulations for how to referee a game right before the playoffs start, or forced players to play with a brand new ball, or on a brand new surface for the court. It's absurd. I would have hoped that ESL would have learned their lessons about this shit already from 2019 where Nydus Worms took over the tournament out of nowhere, or from last year when the map pool was obviously extremely Zerg favored. But it doesn't seem like they WANT to learn these lessons, as long as people keep giving them excuses to do whatever they feel like. First off, players are seeded by the performance of last year's maps and patch, but back then the meta wasn't settled, was it? It's not like pro players are doing a bunch of friendly matches until the meta settles and only then do the matches count and the tournaments pay out prize money. The meta never settles, it evolves and changing maps plus having balance patches is a sign of a healthy RTS. This isn't League of Legends where we all play on Summoner's Rift until the cows come home. Hell, even that one map has been changed over the years and regular balance changes is what made them the biggest esport in history. | ||
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Poopi
France12761 Posts
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buzz_bender
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On January 04 2023 20:54 Vindicare605 wrote: Here's why this doesn't play. The players are qualifying and being seeded for this tournament based on how they performed LAST year, under last year's maps and last year's patch. It makes ZERO sense for any Championship Tournament to completely change the rules of the game during the "finals" of the season. It's completely ridiculous. It's bad enough that ESL has been doing this with maps, including last year's HILARIOUSLY terrible Pride of Aldaris being included in the finals map pool, but now they're going to be opening the finals of the year with a brand new map pool and a brand new set of balance changes that will have no time to be properly settle in the meta before the tournament has to start. Not only is it unfair for the players to have to deal with, but it's an absolute disgrace to anyone that understands ANY sport to call this scenario a world championship. This would be as if the league had introduced a brand new set of regulations for how to referee a game right before the playoffs start, or forced players to play with a brand new ball, or on a brand new surface for the court. It's absurd. I would have hoped that ESL would have learned their lessons about this shit already from 2019 where Nydus Worms took over the tournament out of nowhere, or from last year when the map pool was obviously extremely Zerg favored. But it doesn't seem like they WANT to learn these lessons, as long as people keep giving them excuses to do whatever they feel like. Not this time. These are huge changes that even the players themselves do not want included in the tournament. If they are going to push this shit through anyway then they deserve to be criticized for it. Blizzard NEVER did shit like this before with Blizzcon, even if it would have been good for it like again in 2019 because as the "World Championship" event there's an onus on being the fairest representation of the season you are awarding a title for as possible. IEM Katowice has consistently decided they do not believe in this idea, that they can make radical changes to their tournament that negatively impacts the competitive integrity of it, and still call it a World Championship. I don't agree. They only got the title of "World championship" because we as a community agreed to let them have it after Blizzcon dissolved. They only get to keep using it as long as the community agrees to keep acknowledging them as the best tournament of the year. Completely agree with this. It's insane that they are doing this. In fact, Rotterdam once suggested that instead of getting new maps for the World Championships, they could just pick the best or most played maps from across the past year leading up to Katowice, which I thought it's a good idea. Although now the map pool doesn't change that often... | ||
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Rob-Zero
Germany454 Posts
This pool looks like three easy bases for everyone once again. Damn it was so exciting to watch what Kespa did with the maps in BW back in the days. Even though I know it was a different game, and maybe still not always good for the meta, it was entertaining as hell to watch the players find out how to play on a wild map. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9132 Posts
On January 04 2023 21:12 Ronski wrote: Just putting pics of the maps for people curious Ancient Cistern: + Show Spoiler + Altitude: + Show Spoiler + Babylon: + Show Spoiler + Dragon Scales: + Show Spoiler + Gresvan: + Show Spoiler + Neohumanity: + Show Spoiler + Royal Blood: + Show Spoiler + Am I wrong to say that those maps have way more good spots for siege tanks in TvZ than the current map pool? | ||
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dysenterymd
1177 Posts
Even if there's a month to prepare I don't think it's fair to spring a map pool like this without any major tournaments in between. Yes, players will have time to develop strategies for maps, but without high stakes matches they won't be tested in the most meaningful way and all kinds of potentially broken strategies may be hidden. There will always be a bit of initial unfairness in this regard when introducing a new map pool, but there's a difference between introducing a new map pool before a big tournament like DHM and the literal world championship, which has a larger prize pool than many tournaments combined. Before HSC (or even better before DH Atlanta) would have been a good time to introduce a new map pool, now not so much. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8988 Posts
On January 04 2023 22:31 Poopi wrote: I am really out of the loop about sc2 atm with the holiday season and all that, will they play Katowice on the new patch + new map pool? Not sure that it has been confirmed for the patch, but my understanding is that it's the plan. | ||
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Mizenhauer
United States1804 Posts
On January 04 2023 20:04 Vindicare605 wrote: lmao. The patch just got an update like a couple days ago. Everyone knows the patch isn't ready yet and yet they are not only going to push the patch out for IEM but a brand new map pool as well? Seriously what the fuck is ESL thinking?! Do they think they need to do this shit to get people to watch? It's fucking Katowice OF COURSE we're going to watch but now we're going to watch knowing that everything that happens in this tournament is a gigantic asterisk because it's being done with a huge set of massive changes right before it. This is stupid. I no longer consider Katowice the "world championships" anymore. They keep doing shit like this that completely compromises the competitive integrity of the tournament. They don't deserve to be called "World Championships" if they are going to do shit like this consistently. And so the lesson to be learned is that we're going to do that AGAIN? Oh and that balance patch? Massive favor to Zerg, just like this one is. Typical. Typical. Bummer, but you're wrong. The balance patch in question was introduced days before soO and Stats played in the semifinal in season 1 of 2018. The patch was completely justified as it nerfed the totally unfair ling elevator Scarlett used to demolish sOs at IEM PyeongChang. The patch made it so you needed a lair to pick up lings and carry them into the main. This completely changed the matchup as soO lost access to a frankly op mechanic. The change needed to be made, but it shouldn't have been instituted one or two days before the match as soO had a week to prepare for the match and all of that went out the window with the balance change. | ||
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TossHeroes
281 Posts
On January 04 2023 20:04 Vindicare605 wrote: lmao. The patch just got an update like a couple days ago. Everyone knows the patch isn't ready yet and yet they are not only going to push the patch out for IEM but a brand new map pool as well? Seriously what the fuck is ESL thinking?! Do they think they need to do this shit to get people to watch? It's fucking Katowice OF COURSE we're going to watch but now we're going to watch knowing that everything that happens in this tournament is a gigantic asterisk because it's being done with a huge set of massive changes right before it. This is stupid. I no longer consider Katowice the "world championships" anymore. They keep doing shit like this that completely compromises the competitive integrity of the tournament. They don't deserve to be called "World Championships" if they are going to do shit like this consistently. And so the lesson to be learned is that we're going to do that AGAIN? Oh and that balance patch? Massive favor to Zerg, just like this one is. Typical. Typical. If you gonna whine and complain about Zergs, at least get your facts right The patch in 2018 GSL was a direct nerf to Zerg’s dropalord strategy | ||
BluemoonSC
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ZeroByte13
753 Posts
Otherwise, combined with a clearly Z-favoured patch, Katowice might get really boring and sad. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4168 Posts
On January 04 2023 23:25 Rob-Zero wrote: Wow, the map pool looks boring. Is it like 6 times the same map plus Dragon scales? I wish they would go wild on at least three maps per pool. I know it is bad for the balance, but it would keep the game interesting, at least for me. This pool looks like three easy bases for everyone once again. Damn it was so exciting to watch what Kespa did with the maps in BW back in the days. Even though I know it was a different game, and maybe still not always good for the meta, it was entertaining as hell to watch the players find out how to play on a wild map. Could not agree more.. It's still the same as it was before with the maps but it's Afreeca (ASL) not KeSPA doing it atm | ||
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ShowTheLights
Korea (South)1669 Posts
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Weavel
Finland9221 Posts
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ZeroByte13
753 Posts
On January 05 2023 16:05 Weavel wrote:Makes watching Katowice much more interesting imo. Even if it's ZvZ finals with 3 Z in semifinals?  | ||
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derkopf
Germany77 Posts
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ZeroByte13
753 Posts
On January 05 2023 18:33 derkopf wrote: What do you mean?Well nothing happened, no new maps, no new balance patch. Katowice page on Liquipedia shows new map pool. Though it also mentions current patch version, not a new one... | ||
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Legan
Finland368 Posts
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BluemoonSC
SoCal8908 Posts
On January 05 2023 20:05 ZeroByte13 wrote: What do you mean? Katowice page on Liquipedia shows new map pool. Though it also mentions current patch version, not a new one... there was speculation that the patch would drop today but that doesn't seem like it's the case so far | ||
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atrox_
United Kingdom1710 Posts
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CicadaSC
United States1467 Posts
On January 06 2023 01:56 Legan wrote: Sinistro commented in Reddit that people should be more reasonable with their expectations regarding when the maps are actually put to ladder. I feel like we've waited a reasonable amount of time. Players want the new maps out there a little before Katowice as was communicated to them, not last minute. | ||
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Legan
Finland368 Posts
On January 06 2023 08:45 CicadaSC wrote: I feel like we've waited a reasonable amount of time. Players want the new maps out there a little before Katowice as was communicated to them, not last minute. I think the comment was made because people jumped on the maintenance date as if it was confirmed to have the patch and maps, and not as Blizzard should not be expected to be ready to push the changes at this point. | ||
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geokilla
Canada8224 Posts
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
On January 05 2023 16:21 ZeroByte13 wrote: Even if it's ZvZ finals with 3 Z in semifinals? It's the final tournament of the season. Wouldn't have it any other way  | ||
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CicadaSC
United States1467 Posts
On January 10 2023 13:02 geokilla wrote: Watching these maps being played on ESL Open Cup and man they're big. It's so Zerg and Protoss favoured. How can Terran win at the highest level? big maps are good for terran vs protoss with good dropship play. it only gets tricky if you want to play ghost liberator style | ||
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MJG
United Kingdom835 Posts
On January 10 2023 13:02 geokilla wrote: Watching these maps being played on ESL Open Cup and man they're big. It's so Zerg and Protoss favoured. How can Terran win at the highest level? Maps were too small for a couple of years, just right for a couple of years, and have been too big for almost 10 years tbh. | ||
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Garnet
Vietnam9013 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16055 Posts
We're looking at a historically huge map pool, with a historic number of bases per player. | ||
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buzz_bender
445 Posts
On January 13 2023 08:56 Vindicare605 wrote: https://old.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/10a33ye/infographics_of_new_maps_as_of_jan_2023/ We're looking at a historically huge map pool, with a historic number of bases per player. Seems to be more and more likely a Zerg champion again? This is beginning to feel like 2019, where the maps were hugely Zerg favoured and Broodlord infestor meta. It's not as bad, but it does feel like there's an air on inevitability. I wonder how the players are feeling. With the latest version of the patch, it doesn't feel as bad as the buffs are toned down. But I think the balance with the maps is something that most people have not talked about. | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10317 Posts
It's a complete farce if this balance patch goes through for Katowice though. It's literally the final event of the circuit, why the hell would you change things now? Especially because this patch is quite shit, at best it's controversial and highly experimental. They're still making random changes back and forth, showing that these aren't solutions they've already figured out and decided on, it's all trial and error. People's livelihoods are on the line, just keep it on the same patch and change things after... | ||
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TequilaMockingbird
Germany64 Posts
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tigera6
3221 Posts
On January 14 2023 03:02 TequilaMockingbird wrote: What exactly are we waiting for at this point ? Surely they will not switch the maps a week before katowice, right ? The map has already been announced so thats confirmed. We are still waiting for the patch. | ||
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[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
Over the 311 pro games played with the new map pool on Liquipedia's map statistics: TvZ - 52% PvZ - 36.9% TvP - 64.1% https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/10hxx2r/winrates_on_the_new_map_pool/ | ||
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Kantuva
Uruguay206 Posts
On January 13 2023 08:56 Vindicare605 wrote: https://old.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/10a33ye/infographics_of_new_maps_as_of_jan_2023/ We're looking at a historically huge map pool, with a historic number of bases per player. "We're looking at a historically huge map pool..." Just sharing this one here too: ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/wT26oum.png) ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/cGi10Mc.png) From: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19YltZj0X8NMY93RTjDEuZUbmLZaTY8WY5Jqq02WSQX8/edit#gid=0 And Rush Distances: ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/Gdhj6Db.png) From: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dY8Q4LCKT95cQNyfgLcyA3nB7RF2cWQRFwKA9yEWxT0/edit?usp=sharing Thanks to OmniSkeptic for updating these made by me and Avex with the latest maps  | ||
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[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
I insta lost 1 pvz cause if you put thepylon the regular spot it blocks your nexus... But appart from that the maps seem to have pretty exposed 4rth bases | ||
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
On January 23 2023 06:54 Kantuva wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 13 2023 08:56 Vindicare605 wrote: https://old.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/10a33ye/infographics_of_new_maps_as_of_jan_2023/ We're looking at a historically huge map pool, with a historic number of bases per player. "We're looking at a historically huge map pool..." Just sharing this one here too: From: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19YltZj0X8NMY93RTjDEuZUbmLZaTY8WY5Jqq02WSQX8/edit#gid=0 And Rush Distances: From: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dY8Q4LCKT95cQNyfgLcyA3nB7RF2cWQRFwKA9yEWxT0/edit?usp=sharing Thanks to OmniSkeptic for updating these made by me and Avex with the latest maps Man, reading those map names is a trip. Between Echo and Prion Terraces, I don't recognise any of them. I have no explanation for this. Also, I don't understand the order of the maps. It says "Old to new" but Frost is definitely older than Ulrena or Prion Terraces. Why is Daybreak between New Gettysburg and Habitation Station? Daybreak's one of the defining Wings of Liberty maps. Habitation Station is Heart of the Swarm, and New Gettysburg is Legacy of the Void. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15880 Posts
On January 27 2023 12:14 Fanatic-Templar wrote: Man, reading those map names is a trip. Between Echo and Prion Terraces, I don't recognise any of them. I have no explanation for this. Also, I don't understand the order of the maps. It says "Old to new" but Frost is definitely older than Ulrena or Prion Terraces. Why is Daybreak between New Gettysburg and Habitation Station? Daybreak's one of the defining Wings of Liberty maps. Habitation Station is Heart of the Swarm, and New Gettysburg is Legacy of the Void. It considers only LotV maps. Daybreak and Habitation Station were at one point in the LotV map pool. The order is correct | ||
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
On January 28 2023 01:50 Charoisaur wrote: It considers only LotV maps. Daybreak and Habitation Station were at one point in the LotV map pool. The order is correct Correct for what? I still don't know what the order is based on. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15880 Posts
On January 28 2023 05:29 Fanatic-Templar wrote: Correct for what? I still don't know what the order is based on. chronological order when they were in the map pool | ||
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
On January 28 2023 17:34 Charoisaur wrote: chronological order when they were in the map pool Got it. Thanks. | ||
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