Code Season 3 (2022) - RO20 groups announced

On August 13 2022 02:58 BonitiilloO wrote:
Tier line means how good a player is right?

On August 13 2022 03:05 atrox_ wrote:


yeah its seeding based on past korean ept points im pretty sure

On August 13 2022 03:17 Nakajin wrote:
I feel like Maru will bomb out of his group.

It's shame that the GSL create the groups how they please and dosen't have some kind of seeding mechanisms

On August 13 2022 13:03 BonitiilloO wrote:



same reason many people do not even ask anything because elitisms is high here.
not everybody is supposed to know everything is posted here.

On August 13 2022 13:32 BonitiilloO wrote:


i asked a simple question and they made it somehow look like i was supposed to know that lol

On August 13 2022 03:06 Waxangel wrote:
I've always found GSL's logic of "1 championship is worth just SLIGHTLY more than 2 runner-ups" to be quite amusing. It's like they bluntly applied narrative logic while completely disregarding how real StarCraft is full of insane variance and luck between closely matched players.


ALL of the related info you need is literally in the post, this is almost ban worthy

On August 13 2022 15:45 Vindicare605 wrote:
It's a meme at this point that Maru always gets the super hard groups.

But I'm just glad that I'm looking at a Code S bracket where everything looks super competitive again. So many faces that I'm glad to see back.

Including Prince! He made a splash last year and I was happy for him, it's good to see him back.

On August 13 2022 13:03 BonitiilloO wrote:



same reason many people do not even ask anything because elitisms is high here.
not everybody is supposed to know everything is posted here.

On August 14 2022 03:39 Haighstrom wrote:
Sorry if I'm being a dummy somehow Waxangel, but your post says it starts Sunday, Aug 21 4:00pm BST, while it appears to me that Group A begins at Monday 22nd at 10:30am BST? Is there some macro that auto-calculates to my time zone that is broken, or is there some pre-show I'm not aware of?

On August 14 2022 07:27 Shellshock wrote:

Waxangel calls up the GSL studio and tells them to rig Maru's group

On August 14 2022 19:48 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Reynor tier 4? LoL what a joke, korean elitism once again

On August 15 2022 13:10 tigera6 wrote:
Btw, lots of people outraging about GSL denying Reynor off-racing this time after he has asked them and they, in turn, asked the other players to which the players said no.

On August 15 2022 13:10 tigera6 wrote:
Btw, lots of people outraging about GSL denying Reynor off-racing this time after he has asked them and they, in turn, asked the other players to which the players said no.

On August 15 2022 15:54 Kitai wrote:


The odd thing is that (based on the above video) it sounds like there wasn't a rule specifying that he couldn't swap races. Instead they were like were like "I dunno... let's ask the players what they think." You know, the players who are obviously going to give the answer that benefits themselves the most. The players shouldn't be the ones deciding the rules in such a prestigious tournament; it's a clear conflict of interest and it's a bad look for the GSL which makes it seem like they don't have their stuff together.

I could totally understand if GSL clearly stated in their tournament rules that a player has to specify their race and stick to it throughout the tournament - like you said, it would support the preparation style of the tournament - but the way they went about it seems all wrong.

If what Reynor said was true and I interpreted it correctly, the right thing to do would have been letting him race swap for this tournament and then officially make a rule about it afterwards if they don't like it.

On August 15 2022 23:42 RDO wrote:


Now, on the topic of switching himself, I'm surprised by how many people here are against it. This is a competition. All the players have access to all the races and the tools in the game, if they're willing to add weapons to their arsenal, aka get better with another race.

If a player has the will or the talent to pursue an edge in that regard, there's really no reason to forbid the use of that edge. GSL gives players time to prepare, so what? They can prepare in case there's a race switch, let's not pretend like rocket scientists need to get involved for months to prepare for an opponent, but even if that was the case, well, tough luck.

But as I said, whether the games would be better or worse, whether the preparation time would be enough or not, a competition is a competition: if you can have an advantage fairly gained, you should be not only allowed, but encouraged to use it.

On August 16 2022 22:05 Acrofales wrote:

While I understand the player who plays off-race has to practice 2 races, and that is a severe handicap, I can also see a case to be made by GSL that their preparation-heavy tournament gives the players information in advance precisely so they can prepare builds in advance.

Furthermore, individual maps are not necessarily fully balanced between races, but a map pool is supposed to be reasonably balanced across any series. By playing 2 separate races you can "game" the system by picking different match-ups for different maps, thereby getting the best out of all the maps.

I would personally love for Reynor to be able to mindgame an opponent by playing Protoss on a map that would normally favour zerg just to screw with them, and such, which should, imho, be a valid way of playing the game. But I can also see a point, where that is seen as gaming the system, between the inherent map imbalance and the GSL preparation-rewarding format.

Once again, just because I can understand the argument and am not too upset by this, my personal opinion is that if you're good enough at two different races to play at a top level with them, you should be allowed to do exactly that.

Bigger issue with mid match race switching becomes when do you lock in the choice? It gives an advantage to whichever player chooses last. That becomes an advantage which is completely preventable as well. If Reynor is avoiding zvz and he plays a zerg, he picks Protoss. Can the other Z decide to off race as well or are they already locked in? Do you only let a loser switch?

It ends up adding a whole layer of unnecessary rules or potential meta game advantages. If Reynor wants to random, let him pick random. If he is just trying to pick his own matchups then that becomes a problem.

On August 16 2022 22:21 Charoisaur wrote:

I have seen one very good argument why it shouldn't be allowed on reddit which I will just quote here:


At the moment it's not a problem because nobody except Reynor racepicks but it might be one of the reason why race-picking has historically been forbidden.

On August 17 2022 08:41 Acrofales wrote:

I don't know exactly how far in advance the maps are known, but a solution could be that without knowing the race the opponent might want to play, you have to lock in a race for each series some time after the map picks. Then the race matchups are revealed at that time, giving both sides some shorter amount of time to prepare. It'd avoid the problem you guys describe, and also somewhat mitigate the "GSL is a preparation tournament, so let players prepare with full info" part. But still allow for picking and choosing for map advantage. Of course, all the mind games still apply if multiple people want to switch races, but that could be refreshing for viewers as well. If you picked Protoss because you don't like ZvT on a map, and the opponent picks Z, so you're stuck in a PvZ, which might be a matchup you didn't want. So maybe you prepare a devious adept all-in just for the occasion. I dunno, seems like it might be interesting.