EPTCode S RO6 Preview - Rogue, Creator, Ragnarok, DRG - Page 2
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angry_maia
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Vindicare605
United States16121 Posts
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10366 Posts
On April 24 2022 21:40 FCHK wrote: Winner of the 2nd seed match will always play the 1st seed of the other group If 3rd seed of the same group also advance, he will play the 1st seed of his group Awesome thanks! That makes sense to me. On April 25 2022 03:15 Balnazza wrote: While another trophhy for Dark would be really cool, I hope Creator can do it. Back in the days, he always seemed like that guy that is just one step away from greatness, but then he fell off (not even sure if he did his military service or if he just dropped it). So him coming out of the gate storming like that wold be really amazing. Yeah I agree, like in that one match vs MVP in GSL's Greatest on Tal'Darim! Also, Creator is surprisingly young! He's still only 25, meaning back in 2011 when he fought MVP he was actually ~14!!! | ||
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Riner1212
United States337 Posts
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RKC
2848 Posts
Makes sense when the pool was stacked. Imagine the likes of TY, Inno, Stats, soO, Rogue, Dark, Maru, Zest, Trap battling through this double elim format... Now? Sorry, even if Maru had snuck in (the only favourite surprisingly bowing out), the extended format just plays out as a forgone formality. Of course, upsets still can happen, but it would be because of the favourite slumping (just as Maru had). Probably tune in for Rogue v Creator. And if Rogue wins, I really have no interest watching the rest of th matches. Sounds disrespectful to the rest. But let's be honest, their level of play in the RO10 isn't really anything spectacular... | ||
Waxangel
United States33586 Posts
On April 25 2022 17:11 RKC wrote: Cool format. But it came 2-3 years too late. Makes sense when the pool was stacked. Imagine the likes of TY, Inno, Stats, soO, Rogue, Dark, Maru, Zest, Trap battling through this double elim format... Now? Sorry, even if Maru had snuck in (the only favourite surprisingly bowing out), the extended format just plays out as a forgone formality. Of course, upsets still can happen, but it would be because of the favourite slumping (just as Maru had). Seems like a weird conclusion to come to? The RO10 field was competitive enough that Maru and herO got knocked out despite being favorites, and DRG and Creator made it through despite being underdogs. It can't just be players randomly slumping when it's players you like  | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26510 Posts
On April 25 2022 20:26 Waxangel wrote: Seems like a weird conclusion to come to? The RO10 field was competitive enough that Maru and herO got knocked out despite being favorites, and DRG and Creator made it through despite being underdogs. It can't just be players randomly slumping when it's players you like Both formats have their pros and cons. Old Ro32s/Ro16 outside of the odd time you often had 1/2 clearly better players in a group and 2 worse ones, and they (usually) played out that way. Round robin I don’t like it in WCS EU much because some players just stomp the groups every time and it’s very predictable. But that’s more a consequence of the players than the format itself. If Ro10 looks even close to this every season it’s rather exciting. Perhaps it starts sucking for, whatever reason but I’ve really enjoyed it, more than I was expecting tbh | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
There's a very different dynamics at play to this mass group format (playing multiple matchups in a single session) than a knockout format. Which explains why Maru used to (and perhaps still) struggle in foreign tourneys. Just because the groups are close and upsets happen doesn't mean the tourney is any more exciting. The final four looks as predictable as any other GSL season (one outsider). The difference is that we get more unnecessary mediocre games, build up fake hype, and delay the inevitable. | ||
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Balnazza
Germany1277 Posts
Dont know about you, but in the past I always found it sad when an underdog beats the favorite, but has to play him again in the Decider and then loses. As long as there are ten atleast somewhat capable players, the new format supports upsets and doesn't give out safety nets to the top players. | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
Back to RO6. My point is that the pool is too shallow to justify having this extra round with a double elim format. The gap between players is too wide. + Show Spoiler + And the top 2 of each group eventually advanced. DRG and Ragnarok were clearly a level below Rogue and Creator. So we might as well just allow the top 2 players of each group advanced to SF RO6 makes sense when the Korean scene and RO10 groups are stacked with 7-8 top players of close to equal level. This season? Only 4 top players (1 flopped). That's all I'm saying, which is really a minor gripe. + Show Spoiler + I only caught the Rogue-Creator game today. I'm guessing from the thread that I didn't miss much from skipping the other games. | ||
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Balnazza
Germany1277 Posts
Yeah, the Ro6 format is a bit weird. If it was just 2nd vs. 3rd and the winner against the 1st, that would be enough. Dunno why they thought this slightly overcomplicated system was a good idea tbh. | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
Ironically, the double elim format may even favour favourites more than underdogs (eg a below form Maru sneaking in at third place in RO10 and then claiming a SF spot through the loser bracket). | ||
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FCHK
202 Posts
On April 26 2022 00:56 Balnazza wrote: Ahhh, okay. That makes much more sense to me. Yeah, the Ro6 format is a bit weird. If it was just 2nd vs. 3rd and the winner against the 1st, that would be enough. Dunno why they thought this slightly overcomplicated system was a good idea tbh. If it is just 2nd vs 3rd of each group and winner advances to semi-final, there's a possibility that someone from group B will throw a map/series so he can avoid the 3rd from group A | ||
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Husyelt
United States837 Posts
On April 26 2022 01:11 RKC wrote: Yes, a single elim format for RO6 would be better. Maybe even switch to BO7 for each match? Ironically, the double elim format may even favour favourites more than underdogs (eg a below form Maru sneaking in at third place in RO10 and then claiming a SF spot through the loser bracket). Yeah, the current state leaves favorites the ability to technically lose two? matches post open - and still be alive to win the tourney. edit: Serral is primed for this format | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26510 Posts
On April 26 2022 09:07 FCHK wrote: If it is just 2nd vs 3rd of each group and winner advances to semi-final, there's a possibility that someone from group B will throw a map/series so he can avoid the 3rd from group A Why would they do that? Sorry my brain isn’t working properly here today yet I’m just not sure what advantage would be gained | ||
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