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ESL Open #106: Zest doubles, ShoWTimE wins EU

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January 24 2022 17:31 GMT
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2021-22 ESL Pro Tour - Open Cups: Week #106

Last week featured the first of the 'off-season' ESL Weekly cups, which do not award EPT points but still pays out the same prize money to competitors. Though the stakes aren't quite as high as before, the cups are still useful to check up on which progamers are in good form.

In week #106, (Wiki)Zest managed to win both NA and KR cups while (Wiki)ShoWTimE won the EU cup for the back-to-back victories. With these two victories, Zest now ties HeroMarine with 40 gold medals across all three EPT cups, ahead of Clem (31 golds) and Solar (28 golds).

[ESL Open Cups are no longer awarding points for the EPT 2021/22 season. Cups will continue to be held and award prize money as before, but will only resume awarding points once the EPT 2022/23 season begins.]

KR cup: The Korean cup once again did not feature many participants, but the level of competition was still respectable with strong representatives for all three races: Dark and RagnaroK for Zerg, ByuN, SpeCial and Ryung for Terran, and Zest, herO and Creator representing protoss, to name a few.

The round of 16 mostly featured strong players beating out clear underdogs, except with Creator versus Ryung where the Team GP terran managed to edge out Creator with a 2-1 victory. Unfortunately for him, he was rewarded by facing Zest right after, and Ryung lost 1-2 against the DPG protoss. Other results include SpeCial beating ByuL 2-0 before losing against RagnaroK on the same score (the Zerg had beaten Prince as well), herO beating Percival 2-0 but eliminated the next round by Dark on the same score, and ByuN beating MacSed to qualify for the semifinals.

Demonstrating his strength in the TvZ match-up, especially online, ByuN was able to win a close series against Dark 3-2 to qualify for the finals. Facing him was Zest, who eliminated RagnaroK without much trouble in a 3-1 victory. The finals match between ByuN and Zest was super close, with the terran taking a 2-0 lead over his protoss opponent, before Zest proved to be clutch with the reverse sweep to win the series 3-2.

Upset(s) of the day: There was one glaring upset on the day, with ByuN defeating Dark 3-2 even though the Zerg is currently one of the best in the world in the match-up alongside Serral and Rogue.

*****

EU Cup: Even though the race for EPT points is over, there were still a lot of participants in this EU cup. Notably, the favorites Clem, ShoWTimE, MaxPax, Reynor and HeroMarine were all there to duke it out after a poor European performance in DH Last Chance.

Clem managed to get to the semifinals rather predictably, although not that easily: he beat among others DnS and Rattata 2-1 each to qualify for the semifinals. ShoWTimE was his opponent there, after Die Mauer beat DisK 2-0 and especially MaxPax 2-1 in their now regular encounter. The German protoss was on fire that day and was able to beat Clem relatively easily with a 3-1 victory to qualify for the finals.

On the other side of the bracket, HeroMarine destroyed all of his Protoss opponents one after the other: notably MaNa, GungFuBanda and Skillous (respectively 2-0, 2-0 and 3-1). Even though Reynor participated, he was unable to get past Skillous and lost 0-2 in quarterfinals.

All of that TvP practice did not prevent HeroMarine from almost getting sweeped, with ShoWTimE getting a 2-0 lead, before HeroMarine managed to tie the series 2-2. Unfortunately for Big Gabe, his momentum was stopped by ShoWTimE who closed out the series with the 3-2 victory to take the gold medal, in back-to-back fashion from the last cup.

Upset(s) of the day: Usual caveats about server issues aside, GungFuBanda made a nice upset with the 2-0 victory over ByuN. The korean terran can be fearsome even on the european server so it was a nice victory. The biggest upset for me though was Skillous winning 2-0 against Reynor.

*****

NA Cup: This American edition featured a lot of strong players, namely Astrea, ByuN, Zest, Dark, Trap, Clem and herO among others. This resulted in a pretty fierce competition, with Zest beating ByuN 2-1 and Trap beating Astrea on the same score to qualify for the semifinals. The bottom side of the bracket saw trigger (formerly known as the more annoying to type "TriGGeR") pull off an impressive upset by beating Dark 2-0, before losing against Nice 1-2. herO eliminated fellow protosses NightMare and Has with 2-0 victories before narrowly losing 1-2 versus Clem in quarters.

In the semifinals, Zest showed how strong he is in these online cups by eliminating Trap with a comfortable 3-1 victory, while Nice pulled off another PvT upset by taking out Clem 3-2, to impressively qualify for the NA finals for the second time ever. The finals did not feature an upset, as the big favorite Zest won with a clean 3-0 to achieve the double victory in both KR and NA cups.

Upset(s) of the day: This cup was very rich in upsets! Indeed, trigger managed to take out Dark without even dropping a map (although in bo3) with the 2-0. On top of that, we also saw Nice taking down the French Terran 3-2 in the semifinals, which was another big score for Nice after also taking out ByuN lately.

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xelnaga_empire
Profile Joined March 2012
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Last Edited: 2022-01-24 18:25:03
January 24 2022 18:17 GMT
#2
Week in, week out, ESL EU cup is dominated by Protoss entries. Often, there are double the number, triple the number, or even quadruple the number of Protoss "notable participants" compared to Zerg notable participants in the ESL EU cup:

(Wiki)ESL Open Cup EU/107
(Wiki)ESL Open Cup EU/106
(Wiki)ESL Open Cup EU/105
(Wiki)ESL Open Cup EU/104
(Wiki)ESL Open Cup EU/103
(Wiki)ESL Open Cup EU/102
(Wiki)ESL Open Cup EU/101
(Wiki)ESL Open Cup EU/100
(Wiki)ESL Open Cup EU/99
(Wiki)ESL Open Cup EU/98
(Wiki)ESL Open Cup EU/97
(Wiki)ESL Open Cup EU/96
(Wiki)ESL Open Cup EU/95
(Wiki)ESL Open Cup EU/94
(Wiki)ESL Open Cup EU/93
(Wiki)ESL Open Cup EU/92
(Wiki)ESL Open Cup EU/91

You can keep going back further in time over the last 6 months, it more or less looks like the above.

Every week for the ESL EU cup, it looks like this. The lack of Zerg and Terran "notable participants" in the ESL EU cup is worrying if this is the long term trend.

Hopefully, the number of ESL EU Cup entries can become more equal among all 3 races in the future (it can't be perfectly equal of course, but what is happening for ESL EU Cups these days is absurd).
Beelzebub1
Profile Joined May 2015
832 Posts
January 24 2022 18:48 GMT
#3
On January 25 2022 03:17 xelnaga_empire wrote:
Week in, week out, ESL EU cup is dominated by Protoss entries. Often, there are double the number, triple the number, or even quadruple the number of Protoss "notable participants" compared to Zerg notable participants in the ESL EU cup:

(Wiki)ESL Open Cup EU/107
(Wiki)ESL Open Cup EU/106
(Wiki)ESL Open Cup EU/105
(Wiki)ESL Open Cup EU/104
(Wiki)ESL Open Cup EU/103
(Wiki)ESL Open Cup EU/102
(Wiki)ESL Open Cup EU/101
(Wiki)ESL Open Cup EU/100
(Wiki)ESL Open Cup EU/99
(Wiki)ESL Open Cup EU/98
(Wiki)ESL Open Cup EU/97
(Wiki)ESL Open Cup EU/96
(Wiki)ESL Open Cup EU/95
(Wiki)ESL Open Cup EU/94
(Wiki)ESL Open Cup EU/93
(Wiki)ESL Open Cup EU/92
(Wiki)ESL Open Cup EU/91

You can keep going back further in time over the last 6 months, it more or less looks like the above.

Every week for the ESL EU cup, it looks like this. The lack of Zerg and Terran "notable participants" in the ESL EU cup is worrying if this is the long term trend.

Hopefully, the number of ESL EU Cup entries can become more equal among all 3 races in the future (it can't be perfectly equal of course, but what is happening for ESL EU Cups these days is absurd).


What's ironic about this is that there is a pretty strong community sentiment towards Protoss being underpowered at the higher levels of play, so seeing them have so much representation in the ESL is kind of like a, "heh" moment.

Granted, high levels of participation and tournament win rates aren't the same thing.
xelnaga_empire
Profile Joined March 2012
596 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-01-24 18:58:56
January 24 2022 18:55 GMT
#4
On January 25 2022 03:48 Beelzebub1 wrote:
What's ironic about this is that there is a pretty strong community sentiment towards Protoss being underpowered at the higher levels of play, so seeing them have so much representation in the ESL is kind of like a, "heh" moment.

Granted, high levels of participation and tournament win rates aren't the same thing.


What worries me is that there really isn't new Korean blood for the SC2 pro scene. The pros are increasingly coming from EU. EU is probably the future of the SC2 pro scene, especially when the current crop of Korean pros retire.

I honestly think players like Reynor and Clem are the last of their kind from the EU. If this keeps up, I don't think there will be many up and coming Zerg or Terran pros from EU. If the future pros of SC2 are from the EU, they will probably mostly be Protoss pros. That's not a good thing, if EU will become the future of the SC2 pro scene.
tilhorizon
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany178 Posts
January 24 2022 20:03 GMT
#5
congrats to showtime

he is on a 23 unbeaten series streak

including

byun 3:1
heromarine 3:2
clem 3:0 / 3:1
MJG
Profile Joined May 2018
United Kingdom145 Posts
January 25 2022 08:51 GMT
#6
On January 25 2022 03:55 xelnaga_empire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2022 03:48 Beelzebub1 wrote:
What's ironic about this is that there is a pretty strong community sentiment towards Protoss being underpowered at the higher levels of play, so seeing them have so much representation in the ESL is kind of like a, "heh" moment.

Granted, high levels of participation and tournament win rates aren't the same thing.


What worries me is that there really isn't new Korean blood for the SC2 pro scene. The pros are increasingly coming from EU. EU is probably the future of the SC2 pro scene, especially when the current crop of Korean pros retire.

I honestly think players like Reynor and Clem are the last of their kind from the EU. If this keeps up, I don't think there will be many up and coming Zerg or Terran pros from EU. If the future pros of SC2 are from the EU, they will probably mostly be Protoss pros. That's not a good thing, if EU will become the future of the SC2 pro scene.

(Wiki)CuKu, (Wiki)BabyMarine, (Wiki)Iba.
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Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada7762 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-01-25 11:51:17
January 25 2022 11:50 GMT
#7
On January 25 2022 03:55 xelnaga_empire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2022 03:48 Beelzebub1 wrote:
What's ironic about this is that there is a pretty strong community sentiment towards Protoss being underpowered at the higher levels of play, so seeing them have so much representation in the ESL is kind of like a, "heh" moment.

Granted, high levels of participation and tournament win rates aren't the same thing.


What worries me is that there really isn't new Korean blood for the SC2 pro scene. The pros are increasingly coming from EU. EU is probably the future of the SC2 pro scene, especially when the current crop of Korean pros retire.

I honestly think players like Reynor and Clem are the last of their kind from the EU. If this keeps up, I don't think there will be many up and coming Zerg or Terran pros from EU. If the future pros of SC2 are from the EU, they will probably mostly be Protoss pros. That's not a good thing, if EU will become the future of the SC2 pro scene.


I fear Reynor and Clem are the last of their kind full stop. I know MaxPax is doing great, but he's still pretty far away, and outside of him were are fairly close to a NA/KR situation where no one is able to catch the older pro.
http://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12107 Posts
January 25 2022 12:08 GMT
#8
On January 25 2022 20:50 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2022 03:55 xelnaga_empire wrote:
On January 25 2022 03:48 Beelzebub1 wrote:
What's ironic about this is that there is a pretty strong community sentiment towards Protoss being underpowered at the higher levels of play, so seeing them have so much representation in the ESL is kind of like a, "heh" moment.

Granted, high levels of participation and tournament win rates aren't the same thing.


What worries me is that there really isn't new Korean blood for the SC2 pro scene. The pros are increasingly coming from EU. EU is probably the future of the SC2 pro scene, especially when the current crop of Korean pros retire.

I honestly think players like Reynor and Clem are the last of their kind from the EU. If this keeps up, I don't think there will be many up and coming Zerg or Terran pros from EU. If the future pros of SC2 are from the EU, they will probably mostly be Protoss pros. That's not a good thing, if EU will become the future of the SC2 pro scene.


I fear Reynor and Clem are the last of their kind full stop. I know MaxPax is doing great, but he's still pretty far away, and outside of him were are fairly close to a NA/KR situation where no one is able to catch the older pro.

Should Maxpax count when we know he won't win an offline tournament?
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xelnaga_empire
Profile Joined March 2012
596 Posts
January 25 2022 12:22 GMT
#9
On January 25 2022 17:51 MJG wrote:
(Wiki)CuKu, (Wiki)BabyMarine, (Wiki)Iba.
\

It's a numbers game though. It doesn't mean there will be zero up and coming Terran and Zerg pro players from the EU. There are still Terran and Zerg participants in the ESL EU cup, so there can still be up and coming Terran and Zerg pro players from the EU.

But numbers wise, there is likely to be far more Protoss pros coming from the EU in the future, than Terran and Zerg pro players.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany14519 Posts
January 25 2022 15:24 GMT
#10
On January 25 2022 21:22 xelnaga_empire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2022 17:51 MJG wrote:
(Wiki)CuKu, (Wiki)BabyMarine, (Wiki)Iba.
\

It's a numbers game though. It doesn't mean there will be zero up and coming Terran and Zerg pro players from the EU. There are still Terran and Zerg participants in the ESL EU cup, so there can still be up and coming Terran and Zerg pro players from the EU.

But numbers wise, there is likely to be far more Protoss pros coming from the EU in the future, than Terran and Zerg pro players.

and this is bad, because...... ?
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland17631 Posts
January 26 2022 06:39 GMT
#11
On January 26 2022 00:24 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2022 21:22 xelnaga_empire wrote:
On January 25 2022 17:51 MJG wrote:
(Wiki)CuKu, (Wiki)BabyMarine, (Wiki)Iba.
\

It's a numbers game though. It doesn't mean there will be zero up and coming Terran and Zerg pro players from the EU. There are still Terran and Zerg participants in the ESL EU cup, so there can still be up and coming Terran and Zerg pro players from the EU.

But numbers wise, there is likely to be far more Protoss pros coming from the EU in the future, than Terran and Zerg pro players.

and this is bad, because...... ?

Well it’s not good is it, variety being the spice of life and all?

'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12107 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-01-26 08:25:06
January 26 2022 08:24 GMT
#12
On January 26 2022 15:39 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2022 00:24 Charoisaur wrote:
On January 25 2022 21:22 xelnaga_empire wrote:
On January 25 2022 17:51 MJG wrote:
(Wiki)CuKu, (Wiki)BabyMarine, (Wiki)Iba.
\

It's a numbers game though. It doesn't mean there will be zero up and coming Terran and Zerg pro players from the EU. There are still Terran and Zerg participants in the ESL EU cup, so there can still be up and coming Terran and Zerg pro players from the EU.

But numbers wise, there is likely to be far more Protoss pros coming from the EU in the future, than Terran and Zerg pro players.

and this is bad, because...... ?

Well it’s not good is it, variety being the spice of life and all?


In the last 4-ish years majority of the top players were zergs, all the world champions were zergs but somehow having far more Protoss is issue in variety.
Edit> To be precise - but somehow speculating about having far more Protoss in the future.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland17631 Posts
January 26 2022 10:50 GMT
#13
On January 26 2022 17:24 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2022 15:39 WombaT wrote:
On January 26 2022 00:24 Charoisaur wrote:
On January 25 2022 21:22 xelnaga_empire wrote:
On January 25 2022 17:51 MJG wrote:
(Wiki)CuKu, (Wiki)BabyMarine, (Wiki)Iba.
\

It's a numbers game though. It doesn't mean there will be zero up and coming Terran and Zerg pro players from the EU. There are still Terran and Zerg participants in the ESL EU cup, so there can still be up and coming Terran and Zerg pro players from the EU.

But numbers wise, there is likely to be far more Protoss pros coming from the EU in the future, than Terran and Zerg pro players.

and this is bad, because...... ?

Well it’s not good is it, variety being the spice of life and all?


In the last 4-ish years majority of the top players were zergs, all the world champions were zergs but somehow having far more Protoss is issue in variety.
Edit> To be precise - but somehow speculating about having far more Protoss in the future.

You’ve still had TY taking his pre military GSL, Cure finally nailing an offline tourney, Maru doing his thing, Trap winning many a tournament, Zest doing his thing, Clem trading blows with Reynor and Serral

Which is alright really. If the upper end of EU ladder is anything to go by you’ll end up with the worst of both worlds, super Protoss heavy, but equally nobody really good enough to actually push to that next level and win things.

But it only takes a phenom or two to change things, just seems to be the trajectory
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany14519 Posts
January 26 2022 11:28 GMT
#14
On January 26 2022 19:50 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2022 17:24 deacon.frost wrote:
On January 26 2022 15:39 WombaT wrote:
On January 26 2022 00:24 Charoisaur wrote:
On January 25 2022 21:22 xelnaga_empire wrote:
On January 25 2022 17:51 MJG wrote:
(Wiki)CuKu, (Wiki)BabyMarine, (Wiki)Iba.
\

It's a numbers game though. It doesn't mean there will be zero up and coming Terran and Zerg pro players from the EU. There are still Terran and Zerg participants in the ESL EU cup, so there can still be up and coming Terran and Zerg pro players from the EU.

But numbers wise, there is likely to be far more Protoss pros coming from the EU in the future, than Terran and Zerg pro players.

and this is bad, because...... ?

Well it’s not good is it, variety being the spice of life and all?


In the last 4-ish years majority of the top players were zergs, all the world champions were zergs but somehow having far more Protoss is issue in variety.
Edit> To be precise - but somehow speculating about having far more Protoss in the future.

You’ve still had TY taking his pre military GSL, Cure finally nailing an offline tourney, Maru doing his thing, Trap winning many a tournament, Zest doing his thing, Clem trading blows with Reynor and Serral

Which is alright really. If the upper end of EU ladder is anything to go by you’ll end up with the worst of both worlds, super Protoss heavy, but equally nobody really good enough to actually push to that next level and win things.

But it only takes a phenom or two to change things, just seems to be the trajectory

Yeah, I just don't see it. From ESL cups being Protoss heavy to the Pro scene being completely dominated by Protoss it is such a long shot, I'm not sure it's worth worrying about.
Only very few ESL cup players will ever have the skill to make the jump into the pro scene and the current Terran / Zerg pros aren't going anywhere for a while
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12107 Posts
January 26 2022 14:46 GMT
#15
On January 26 2022 20:28 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2022 19:50 WombaT wrote:
On January 26 2022 17:24 deacon.frost wrote:
On January 26 2022 15:39 WombaT wrote:
On January 26 2022 00:24 Charoisaur wrote:
On January 25 2022 21:22 xelnaga_empire wrote:
On January 25 2022 17:51 MJG wrote:
(Wiki)CuKu, (Wiki)BabyMarine, (Wiki)Iba.
\

It's a numbers game though. It doesn't mean there will be zero up and coming Terran and Zerg pro players from the EU. There are still Terran and Zerg participants in the ESL EU cup, so there can still be up and coming Terran and Zerg pro players from the EU.

But numbers wise, there is likely to be far more Protoss pros coming from the EU in the future, than Terran and Zerg pro players.

and this is bad, because...... ?

Well it’s not good is it, variety being the spice of life and all?


In the last 4-ish years majority of the top players were zergs, all the world champions were zergs but somehow having far more Protoss is issue in variety.
Edit> To be precise - but somehow speculating about having far more Protoss in the future.

You’ve still had TY taking his pre military GSL, Cure finally nailing an offline tourney, Maru doing his thing, Trap winning many a tournament, Zest doing his thing, Clem trading blows with Reynor and Serral

Which is alright really. If the upper end of EU ladder is anything to go by you’ll end up with the worst of both worlds, super Protoss heavy, but equally nobody really good enough to actually push to that next level and win things.

But it only takes a phenom or two to change things, just seems to be the trajectory

Yeah, I just don't see it. From ESL cups being Protoss heavy to the Pro scene being completely dominated by Protoss it is such a long shot, I'm not sure it's worth worrying about.
Only very few ESL cup players will ever have the skill to make the jump into the pro scene and the current Terran / Zerg pros aren't going anywhere for a while

This, so much this. Thank you for writing this instead of me
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dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2306 Posts
January 26 2022 15:23 GMT
#16
A couple of years ago the entirety of the EU ladder was filled with Zergs and People said, we ll have only Zerg players in the Future.
That also isn t true, just because low/mid GM isn t 1/3 split for each race, the Future isn t completly doomed.
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