• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 11:21
CET 17:21
KST 01:21
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jan 5-11): Clem wins big offline, Trigger upsets3$21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7)15Weekly Cups (Dec 29-Jan 4): Protoss rolls, 2v2 returns7[BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 103SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-1825
StarCraft 2
General
SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-18 Weekly Cups (Jan 5-11): Clem wins big offline, Trigger upsets When will we find out if there are more tournament SC2 Spotted on the EWC 2026 list? Weekly Cups (Dec 29-Jan 4): Protoss rolls, 2v2 returns
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament SC2 AI Tournament 2026 $21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7) $25,000 Streamerzone StarCraft Pro Series announced WardiTV Winter Cup
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 508 Violent Night Mutation # 507 Well Trained Mutation # 506 Warp Zone Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes
Brood War
General
[ASL21] Potential Map Candidates BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone Potential ASL qualifier breakthroughs?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 10 SLON Grand Finals – Season 2
Strategy
Game Theory for Starcraft Simple Questions, Simple Answers Current Meta [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Beyond All Reason Nintendo Switch Thread Awesome Games Done Quick 2026! Mechabellum Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Trading/Investing Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Physical Exercise (HIIT) Bef…
TrAiDoS
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1671 users

Code S Finals Preview: Trap vs Dark (Season 2)

Forum Index > SC2 General
20 CommentsPost a Reply
1 2 All last
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
July 28 2021 11:05 GMT
#2
I love Trap, but he’s going to lose. Protoss and winning GSL isn’t happening and Dark isn’t enough of a pushover to circumvent the law dictating that Protoss doesn’t win GSL.

It’ll be another 2-4 loss that makes for the typical PvZ GSL, imo
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3449 Posts
July 28 2021 11:42 GMT
#3
This has 4-1 score to Dark written all over the place, but I hope I am wrong. I think Trap PvZ is amazing vs top EU Zerg, but Lambo got him good with that weird timing and push when Trap was not ready most of the time. I just think Trap game base much on Ground push, not Skytoss, and Dark is very good to die to any Toss ground army even with just Roach Ravager. And if it gets to late game, Dark seems to be a more-equipped player than Trap. Not to say that he cant do it, but I dont ever remember Trap winning any big series base on late game, while Dark has shown he is all about lategame in recent memory.
Drfilip
Profile Joined March 2013
Sweden592 Posts
July 28 2021 11:50 GMT
#4
I see this playing out in a similar fashion as PartinG vs Dark, with the exception of improved decision making from the protoss, and better late game army control. Mass queen infestor won't stop Trap. I say 4-2, Trap wins.
Random Platinum EU
floating__bee
Profile Joined October 2019
Malaysia20 Posts
July 28 2021 12:20 GMT
#5
Trap usually lost when I thought he will win.

And I think he will lose this time.
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7028 Posts
July 28 2021 12:56 GMT
#6
Dark got the Cheetos dust figured out and that's why he'll win 4:2
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
Ciaus_Dronu
Profile Joined June 2017
South Africa1848 Posts
July 28 2021 13:14 GMT
#7
On July 28 2021 21:56 Harris1st wrote:
Dark got the Cheetos dust figured out and that's why he'll win 4:2


The cheeto dust may not last in stormier weather however.

Trap 4-3.
tommey.liang
Profile Joined November 2020
United States363 Posts
July 28 2021 13:44 GMT
#8
Predicting a 4-2 win for Trap, or 4-1 by Dark. Leaning toward the former.
FF, KH, Persona, Uncharted, Yakuza | Porter, Illenium, MitiS, Dabin, Seven Lions, Petit Biscuit | Diablo II, SC2 | Pho, sushi, tacos
Beelzebub1
Profile Joined May 2015
1004 Posts
July 28 2021 14:20 GMT
#9
I'm hoping that Dark wins to bring the glory for the Swarm, plus, the dude is on fire lately and if he was ever going to take it, I think it would be this time.

Trap so good though, such good decision making and just solid general play all around, the guy can play any style masterfully and will surely look to play his game and not Dark's which really looks like where Dark struggles.

Head? Trap 4 - 3

Heart? Dark 4 - 3
angry_maia
Profile Joined August 2020
327 Posts
July 28 2021 15:14 GMT
#10
The cheeto dust may not last in stormier weather however.

Trap 4-3.


Does storm actually DPS fast enough to overcome transfuse on queens? They are so tanky.
angry_maia
Profile Joined August 2020
327 Posts
July 28 2021 15:16 GMT
#11
Also generally, what's the correct counter to queen, ulta, infestor, viper? Do you just have to hit feedbacks with HTS and then actually use disruptors? Or is there something stronger?
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
July 28 2021 16:27 GMT
#12
Just hoping for a good, hopefully great finals and ideally a Trap win!
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
QOGQOG
Profile Joined July 2019
834 Posts
July 28 2021 16:46 GMT
#13
Hope Trap can take this one. It felt brutal seeing him make it to back to back finals he had no real chance in, whereas this should be a solid opportunity.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33509 Posts
July 28 2021 18:13 GMT
#14
Trap should have a small edge if mindset isn't an issue

4-0 dark if this is cursed Trap
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Calliope
Profile Joined July 2018
297 Posts
July 28 2021 18:14 GMT
#15
On July 29 2021 00:16 angry_maia wrote:
Also generally, what's the correct counter to queen, ulta, infestor, viper? Do you just have to hit feedbacks with HTS and then actually use disruptors? Or is there something stronger?


Hmm, I am a bit tired of seeing loads of that multi-purpose unit every single game. If Blizzard learned from their other games, transfuse, being an instant cast, should be a HoT, heal over time, instead of an instant heal. Maybe then we wouldn't be seeing these crowds of invincible units (they can tank disruptor shots too).
Clément 화이팅
Obamarauder
Profile Joined June 2015
697 Posts
July 28 2021 19:16 GMT
#16
On July 29 2021 00:16 angry_maia wrote:
Also generally, what's the correct counter to queen, ulta, infestor, viper? Do you just have to hit feedbacks with HTS and then actually use disruptors? Or is there something stronger?


If Zerg controls correctly there really isn’t much a protoss can do
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-28 20:35:16
July 28 2021 20:25 GMT
#17
On July 29 2021 03:14 Calliope wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2021 00:16 angry_maia wrote:
Also generally, what's the correct counter to queen, ulta, infestor, viper? Do you just have to hit feedbacks with HTS and then actually use disruptors? Or is there something stronger?


Hmm, I am a bit tired of seeing loads of that multi-purpose unit every single game. If Blizzard learned from their other games, transfuse, being an instant cast, should be a HoT, heal over time, instead of an instant heal. Maybe then we wouldn't be seeing these crowds of invincible units (they can tank disruptor shots too).


This may prove that Dark's control of three different caster units at the same time are extremely good to counter Protoss's mixed carriers + gateway composition with Queens for the healing purpose, Infestors for microbial shrouds/fungals and Vipers for abducting. You may wonder why not Parting doing the same thing with all Protoss's caster units available there.

While on the other hand, Parting had not utilized any single High Templar, only use Oracle for detection purpose. I guessed with combinations of high templar, oracle and sentry at the same time into Protoss's mixed carrier +gateway composition, you can do a lot. For example, massive Hallucination Collosus and High Templar feedback on Queens (like Zest used to do) would help deceiving Dark into making tone of ultralisks prompting a much lesser hydras and Infestors with only Queens targeting the Interceptors.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
Garbo1
Profile Joined July 2020
49 Posts
July 30 2021 03:27 GMT
#18
This aged well
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3449 Posts
July 30 2021 04:04 GMT
#19
On July 30 2021 12:27 Garbo1 wrote:
This aged well

On July 28 2021 20:42 tigera6 wrote:
This has 4-1 score to Dark written all over the place, but I hope I am wrong. I think Trap PvZ is amazing vs top EU Zerg, but Lambo got him good with that weird timing and push when Trap was not ready most of the time. I just think Trap game base much on Ground push, not Skytoss, and Dark is very good to die to any Toss ground army even with just Roach Ravager. And if it gets to late game, Dark seems to be a more-equipped player than Trap. Not to say that he cant do it, but I dont ever remember Trap winning any big series base on late game, while Dark has shown he is all about lategame in recent memory.

Not to boast, but I do have the perfect read, lol.
Edpayasugo
Profile Joined April 2013
United Kingdom2217 Posts
July 30 2021 08:38 GMT
#20
I forgot how bloody good the signature series videos are

FlaSh MMA INnoVation FanTaSy MKP TY Ryung | soO Dark Rogue | HuK PartinG Stork State
juliusskinner
Profile Joined October 2021
1 Post
October 21 2021 10:13 GMT
#21
--- Nuked ---
1 2 All last
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Invitational
12:00
Group C
GuMiho vs YoungYakovLIVE!
WardiTV1255
TKL 223
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Lowko478
Harstem 263
TKL 209
DivinesiaTV 12
StarCraft: Brood War
Horang2 1423
Shuttle 942
Soma 437
BeSt 254
Light 239
Mong 204
Snow 195
actioN 174
Hyun 169
hero 155
[ Show more ]
Hyuk 108
Rush 102
Zeus 74
Barracks 40
Rock 36
Yoon 25
GoRush 24
JYJ 24
910 17
Bale 12
Noble 9
Dota 2
qojqva2352
syndereN452
BananaSlamJamma63
Counter-Strike
fl0m2555
byalli344
Foxcn137
oskar121
edward99
adren_tv39
Other Games
singsing1921
Liquid`RaSZi1353
B2W.Neo1333
hiko709
FrodaN380
Hui .332
ArmadaUGS241
QueenE160
Mew2King92
KnowMe28
DeMusliM2
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• poizon28 15
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix4
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2350
League of Legends
• Jankos3799
• TFBlade920
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
17h 39m
OSC
19h 39m
Jumy vs sebesdes
Nicoract vs GgMaChine
ReBellioN vs MaNa
Lemon vs TriGGeR
Gerald vs Cure
Creator vs SHIN
OSC
1d 19h
All Star Teams
2 days
INnoVation vs soO
Serral vs herO
Cure vs Solar
sOs vs Scarlett
Classic vs Clem
Reynor vs Maru
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
All Star Teams
3 days
MMA vs DongRaeGu
Rogue vs Oliveira
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
OSC
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Wardi Open
4 days
[ Show More ]
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-01-13
Big Gabe Cup #3
NA Kuram Kup

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
OSC Championship Season 13
Underdog Cup #3
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W4
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Rongyi Cup S3
SC2 All-Star Inv. 2025
Nations Cup 2026
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.