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stardog
Profile Joined August 2011
556 Posts
July 27 2021 07:24 GMT
#10
On July 27 2021 07:05 Warcloud wrote:
Why does the region with the best players only have a 4-person qualifier?

With Cure winning the EU ESL Open last week playing cross-server I'd rather give an extra spot to him.
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-27 07:37:37
July 27 2021 07:31 GMT
#11
On July 27 2021 07:05 Warcloud wrote:
Why does the region with the best players only have a 4-person qualifier?

But Korea has 6 spots, not 4
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MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
July 27 2021 07:49 GMT
#12
Another snooze fest. This format with a million players per group is so bad and boring :/ Why dont they at least try to make the most overhyped region interesting?
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Edpayasugo
Profile Joined April 2013
United Kingdom2214 Posts
July 27 2021 10:25 GMT
#13
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Ciaus_Dronu
Profile Joined June 2017
South Africa1848 Posts
July 27 2021 11:04 GMT
#14
Personally I quite like the big groups. Lots of different series with lots of potential to have some good matchups and spicy upsets. Not every series is good, but every day will likely have some good series.

The large number of matches also helps ensure that the top players make it further, which I think is good. Stuff like single elim too early can land you up with semis and finals that really aren't the best players duking it out, just because someone got unlucky.
rtomic
Profile Joined September 2015
40 Posts
July 27 2021 13:34 GMT
#15
On July 27 2021 20:04 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
Personally I quite like the big groups. Lots of different series with lots of potential to have some good matchups and spicy upsets. Not every series is good, but every day will likely have some good series.

The large number of matches also helps ensure that the top players make it further, which I think is good. Stuff like single elim too early can land you up with semis and finals that really aren't the best players duking it out, just because someone got unlucky.


However a favourite not making it due to falling in a single elim bracket is what I would call an upset. Serral losing 1 map in an 8-man group is hardly an upset or interesting to see...

I think only playing 1 or 2 matches per group per day is a strange schedule. I prefer the way GSL does it...
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FCHK
Profile Joined August 2020
202 Posts
July 27 2021 13:43 GMT
#16
Protoss being the dominant race in all regions except Latin America is so funny
EndlessViolence
Profile Joined January 2011
114 Posts
July 27 2021 14:19 GMT
#17
super hyped for the tournament , lets goo
Moonerz
Profile Joined March 2014
United States444 Posts
July 27 2021 14:48 GMT
#18
On July 27 2021 16:49 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Another snooze fest. This format with a million players per group is so bad and boring :/ Why dont they at least try to make the most overhyped region interesting?


I absolutely agree, it almost seems like they want so badly for none of the favorites to get knocked out in group stages. Makes sense from a viewership perspective but really makes the groups a lot less interesting. There are so many one sided games. Obviously we get the occasional upset but even if one of the top players drops a map or set against someone lower level it doesn't matter as they typically make it up over the course of the group.

Contrast this is GSL Ro 16 groups or even sometimes Ro28 and half the excitement is every game is so crucial because the damn group is so tough to get out of.
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8230 Posts
July 27 2021 16:47 GMT
#19
At least it'll be good for betting.
BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
July 27 2021 20:15 GMT
#20
I kind of like the idea of big groups, but having the games spread out over all groups all the time has made it very difficult for me to actually follow the groups very closely. I think it would have been better to finish one group after the other simply.
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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17671 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-27 20:52:55
July 27 2021 20:49 GMT
#21
On July 27 2021 20:04 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
Personally I quite like the big groups. Lots of different series with lots of potential to have some good matchups and spicy upsets. Not every series is good, but every day will likely have some good series.

The large number of matches also helps ensure that the top players make it further, which I think is good. Stuff like single elim too early can land you up with semis and finals that really aren't the best players duking it out, just because someone got unlucky.

does europe even have an issue with this? the top EU players are so far ahead of the rest of EU that these large groups are super boring and unnecessary

IMO a group should not take longer than 1 or 2 days, and maybe even more importantly they should finish the groups 1 at a time instead of jumping around so much
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warnull
Profile Joined February 2016
United States280 Posts
July 28 2021 01:31 GMT
#22
I really enjoy the 8 player round robin groups. It gives a lot of games to watch over ~10 days. It's a perfect format for an online tournament in the pandemic era.
Vision_
Profile Joined September 2018
861 Posts
July 30 2021 11:54 GMT
#23
On July 28 2021 10:31 warnull wrote:
I really enjoy the 8 player round robin groups. It gives a lot of games to watch over ~10 days. It's a perfect format for an online tournament in the pandemic era.


yes then it s a good way to promote SC2 over more than 10 years and which stands as the best 1v1 online game.
Philippe
Profile Joined October 2020
351 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-30 13:17:27
July 30 2021 13:15 GMT
#24
On July 28 2021 05:49 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2021 20:04 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
Personally I quite like the big groups. Lots of different series with lots of potential to have some good matchups and spicy upsets. Not every series is good, but every day will likely have some good series.

The large number of matches also helps ensure that the top players make it further, which I think is good. Stuff like single elim too early can land you up with semis and finals that really aren't the best players duking it out, just because someone got unlucky.

does europe even have an issue with this? the top EU players are so far ahead of the rest of EU that these large groups are super boring and unnecessary

IMO a group should not take longer than 1 or 2 days, and maybe even more importantly they should finish the groups 1 at a time instead of jumping around so much


The desire to see lesser known and ranked players climbing up the pro ladder against looking at it on purely a skill/merit level. This will never change - as a viewer, large groups + double elim in playoffs is good to me.
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tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3359 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-30 15:11:15
July 30 2021 14:02 GMT
#25
Its not like there are a whole bunch of tournament that top EU players has to play for during DH EU and that affect their performance. Might as well doing long group for viewership because you get to watch a top player every single day for nearly 2 weeks is pretty nice.
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17671 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-30 20:43:30
July 30 2021 20:12 GMT
#26
On July 30 2021 23:02 tigera6 wrote:
Its not like there are a whole bunch of tournament that top EU players has to play for during DH EU and that affect their performance. Might as well doing long group for viewership because you get to watch a top player every single day for nearly 2 weeks is pretty nice.

seems like the only arguments in favor of this format is the sheer number of games and seeing more players that aren't quite at the top, but then they could still do 1 group at a time and get them over with? it's just easier to follow and better story-telling

they could also maybe go back to the old Dreamhack format, with multiple group stages

look how dead the LR thread is lmao, and this thread is mostly just discussing the format not the actual matches because they aren't interesting
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Moonerz
Profile Joined March 2014
United States444 Posts
July 30 2021 20:38 GMT
#27
On July 31 2021 05:12 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2021 23:02 tigera6 wrote:
Its not like there are a whole bunch of tournament that top EU players has to play for during DH EU and that affect their performance. Might as well doing long group for viewership because you get to watch a top player every single day for nearly 2 weeks is pretty nice.

seems like the only arguments in favor of this format is the sheer number of games and seeing more players that aren't quite at the top, but then they could still do 1 group at a time and get them over with? it's just easier to follow and better story-telling

look how dead the LR thread is lmao, and this thread is mostly just discussing the format not the actual matches because they aren't interesting



Wasn't every single match today a 2-0 lol
StasisField
Profile Joined August 2013
United States1086 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-30 21:38:05
July 30 2021 21:18 GMT
#28
On July 31 2021 05:12 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2021 23:02 tigera6 wrote:
Its not like there are a whole bunch of tournament that top EU players has to play for during DH EU and that affect their performance. Might as well doing long group for viewership because you get to watch a top player every single day for nearly 2 weeks is pretty nice.

seems like the only arguments in favor of this format is the sheer number of games and seeing more players that aren't quite at the top, but then they could still do 1 group at a time and get them over with? it's just easier to follow and better story-telling

they could also maybe go back to the old Dreamhack format, with multiple group stages

look how dead the LR thread is lmao, and this thread is mostly just discussing the format not the actual matches because they aren't interesting

Agree 100% with the bold part. I feel less invested in the matches when tournaments jump around like this. To use this tournament as an example: right now, I'm invested in Harstem's journey through Group A. The other matches in Group A influence Harstem's journey, so naturally I want to watch more games from Group A to see how he's doing. When EU Group A finishes for the day, I stop watching except for a match here or there. There were 0 games from Group A today so the only match I watched today was Serral vs MarineLord because there was nothing else on and I really like watching Serral ZvT's.

If the tournament played through one group at a time, I would watch more games because I'd be able to focus on one player from each group and the games that affect them without the flow of that player's storyline breaking due to unrelated matches all the time.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25085 Posts
July 30 2021 22:18 GMT
#29
On July 31 2021 06:18 StasisField wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2021 05:12 Die4Ever wrote:
On July 30 2021 23:02 tigera6 wrote:
Its not like there are a whole bunch of tournament that top EU players has to play for during DH EU and that affect their performance. Might as well doing long group for viewership because you get to watch a top player every single day for nearly 2 weeks is pretty nice.

seems like the only arguments in favor of this format is the sheer number of games and seeing more players that aren't quite at the top, but then they could still do 1 group at a time and get them over with? it's just easier to follow and better story-telling

they could also maybe go back to the old Dreamhack format, with multiple group stages

look how dead the LR thread is lmao, and this thread is mostly just discussing the format not the actual matches because they aren't interesting

Agree 100% with the bold part. I feel less invested in the matches when tournaments jump around like this. To use this tournament as an example: right now, I'm invested in Harstem's journey through Group A. The other matches in Group A influence Harstem's journey, so naturally I want to watch more games from Group A to see how he's doing. When EU Group A finishes for the day, I stop watching except for a match here or there. There were 0 games from Group A today so the only match I watched today was Serral vs MarineLord because there was nothing else on and I really like watching Serral ZvT's.

If the tournament played through one group at a time, I would watch more games because I'd be able to focus on one player from each group and the games that affect them without the flow of that player's storyline breaking due to unrelated matches all the time.

That’s long been my issue with it, especially as folks have other things to juggle.

As per your example I could end up rooting for the #YearOfHarstem one day, he gets a few scalps and then I’m in work the next few times that group is on.

I think the current format would work if the groups were more closely stacked. Oh Serral had a bad day 1, can he bring it for game day 2, because if not he’s gone.

That could lead to quite exciting narratives and a high level of play with a little prep time, but you need the groups to be considerably more closely matched for there to be those kind of stakes if you’re stretching it out.
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