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DreamHack Masters Fall Groups Announced

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TL.net ESPORTS
Profile Joined July 2011
4 Posts
July 26 2021 17:21 GMT
#1
ESL and DreamHack have announced the regional groups for DreamHack StarCraft II Masters 2021: Fall, which is set to begin on July 28th.

The first week of games will feature the start of the European group stages, as well as the entirety of the Latin America, Oceania & Rest of Asia, and Taiwan/Hong Kong/Macau/Japan regionals. The North American and Chinese regionals are set to begin in week two.



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tommey.liang
Profile Joined November 2020
United States362 Posts
July 26 2021 17:37 GMT
#2
Holy so many Tosses! It's interesting seeing how many of them are pitted against each other in groups A & B for EU. Can't believe DH Fall 2021 is starting up soon.
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starvingbox
Profile Joined August 2020
United States44 Posts
July 26 2021 17:45 GMT
#3
Protoss festival.
starkiller123
Profile Joined January 2016
United States4030 Posts
July 26 2021 19:36 GMT
#4
I have to say I find these enormous groups very boring most of the time, I prefer 4 person groups and I don't think they should ever have larger than 6 player groups
Ciaus_Dronu
Profile Joined June 2017
South Africa1848 Posts
July 26 2021 19:53 GMT
#5
Really looking forward to watching the two groups that have non-protoss matches :D
Crocolisk Dundee
Profile Blog Joined October 2015
870 Posts
July 26 2021 19:54 GMT
#6
Rooting for MilkiCow in group D of Europe.
Stopped watching ESL content in 2022 when the company was acquired by Savvy Gaming Group. Also object to sponsorships by the U.S. Air Force. Thanks for the lively discussions about sportswashing. StarCraft II is not for me anymore.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-26 20:00:33
July 26 2021 20:00 GMT
#7
Nice groups, I'll say I would like to see some names I don't know about. Although I don't know who Antis and the well named Mysteryman are, hopefully they can pull of an upset or two!
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InvictusRage
Profile Joined August 2011
United States230 Posts
July 26 2021 20:43 GMT
#8
I'm always really happy with this format; I like how the groups develop over a week or two and the players have tons of time to show their stuff.
Warcloud
Profile Joined May 2010
United States97 Posts
July 26 2021 22:05 GMT
#9
Why does the region with the best players only have a 4-person qualifier?
stardog
Profile Joined August 2011
556 Posts
July 27 2021 07:24 GMT
#10
On July 27 2021 07:05 Warcloud wrote:
Why does the region with the best players only have a 4-person qualifier?

With Cure winning the EU ESL Open last week playing cross-server I'd rather give an extra spot to him.
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-27 07:37:37
July 27 2021 07:31 GMT
#11
On July 27 2021 07:05 Warcloud wrote:
Why does the region with the best players only have a 4-person qualifier?

But Korea has 6 spots, not 4
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MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
July 27 2021 07:49 GMT
#12
Another snooze fest. This format with a million players per group is so bad and boring :/ Why dont they at least try to make the most overhyped region interesting?
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Edpayasugo
Profile Joined April 2013
United Kingdom2214 Posts
July 27 2021 10:25 GMT
#13
Toss time
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Ciaus_Dronu
Profile Joined June 2017
South Africa1848 Posts
July 27 2021 11:04 GMT
#14
Personally I quite like the big groups. Lots of different series with lots of potential to have some good matchups and spicy upsets. Not every series is good, but every day will likely have some good series.

The large number of matches also helps ensure that the top players make it further, which I think is good. Stuff like single elim too early can land you up with semis and finals that really aren't the best players duking it out, just because someone got unlucky.
rtomic
Profile Joined September 2015
40 Posts
July 27 2021 13:34 GMT
#15
On July 27 2021 20:04 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
Personally I quite like the big groups. Lots of different series with lots of potential to have some good matchups and spicy upsets. Not every series is good, but every day will likely have some good series.

The large number of matches also helps ensure that the top players make it further, which I think is good. Stuff like single elim too early can land you up with semis and finals that really aren't the best players duking it out, just because someone got unlucky.


However a favourite not making it due to falling in a single elim bracket is what I would call an upset. Serral losing 1 map in an 8-man group is hardly an upset or interesting to see...

I think only playing 1 or 2 matches per group per day is a strange schedule. I prefer the way GSL does it...
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FCHK
Profile Joined August 2020
202 Posts
July 27 2021 13:43 GMT
#16
Protoss being the dominant race in all regions except Latin America is so funny
EndlessViolence
Profile Joined January 2011
114 Posts
July 27 2021 14:19 GMT
#17
super hyped for the tournament , lets goo
Moonerz
Profile Joined March 2014
United States444 Posts
July 27 2021 14:48 GMT
#18
On July 27 2021 16:49 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Another snooze fest. This format with a million players per group is so bad and boring :/ Why dont they at least try to make the most overhyped region interesting?


I absolutely agree, it almost seems like they want so badly for none of the favorites to get knocked out in group stages. Makes sense from a viewership perspective but really makes the groups a lot less interesting. There are so many one sided games. Obviously we get the occasional upset but even if one of the top players drops a map or set against someone lower level it doesn't matter as they typically make it up over the course of the group.

Contrast this is GSL Ro 16 groups or even sometimes Ro28 and half the excitement is every game is so crucial because the damn group is so tough to get out of.
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8230 Posts
July 27 2021 16:47 GMT
#19
At least it'll be good for betting.
BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
July 27 2021 20:15 GMT
#20
I kind of like the idea of big groups, but having the games spread out over all groups all the time has made it very difficult for me to actually follow the groups very closely. I think it would have been better to finish one group after the other simply.
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