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dbRic1203
Germany2031 Posts
On July 20 2021 13:55 tigera6 wrote: At this point in the GSL, people are hoping for Maru to beat Trap, then Rogue to beat Maru, and Rogue dropped out before the Ro.4 or something. Naa, I m hopeing for Trap to finally win a GSL, he s long overdue to get that W | ||
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Vindicare605
United States13741 Posts
On July 20 2021 12:32 Terra1 wrote: As a fan and player of Toss, I agree. I only lost a game using this build once in practice and every time I do this in ladder, it's difficult to stop unless you scout it prepare. I remember Maru encountered a similar time a few years ago when he fought Has. Maybe it's time for Blizzard to revert the VR back to its original state (before this buff happened) and change the batteries maybe? Like only place 1-2 batteries in a specific area perhaps? Though I still can't help but blame it on Bunny for doing greedy builds. I have a better idea. Reduce the shields on the Void Ray and increase its health to compensate. That will make the batteries less useful but won't hurt the Void Ray as a combat unit in actual big fights in the late game. The build will still be viable but it will be a lot more risky as the replenishable health of the Void Ray will be reduced and thus the effectiveness of the proxy shield batteries will be as well. I think that's a more elegant solution than simply reverting the Void Ray to being worthless again. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada7160 Posts
Overall, the total in-game time for the series totaled around 26 minutes and 17 seconds—perhaps even the fastest GSL BO7 in history, pending further historical review. The research has been made, Jinro-MC was somewhere around 24minutes and 24 minutes 30 seconds baring a miscalculation (which is entirely possible knowing me). Dunno if there are any quicker one. | ||
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Edpayasugo
United Kingdom2057 Posts
Do you mean wary? | ||
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Motion1
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Zambrah
United States5721 Posts
On July 21 2021 03:14 Edpayasugo wrote: fans will have to be leery of getting behind any underdogs in the final four. Do you mean wary? Leery is right, its fairly synonymous with wary | ||
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Elentos
54451 Posts
On July 20 2021 21:04 Nakajin wrote: The research has been made, Jinro-MC was somewhere around 24minutes and 24 minutes 30 seconds baring a miscalculation (which is entirely possible knowing me). Dunno if there are any quicker one. Jinro vs MC 2010 GSL S3 semis G1: game clock stops at 6:18 G2: clock stops at 12:04 G3: clock stops at 8:54 G4: game over at 12:36 Totals 39 minutes 52 seconds Blizzard time, divided by 1.4 to adjust for the game speed is ~ 28 minutes 29 seconds total time played. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada7160 Posts
On July 21 2021 04:26 Elentos wrote: Jinro vs MC 2010 GSL S3 semis G1: game clock stops at 6:18 G2: clock stops at 12:04 G3: clock stops at 8:54 G4: game over at 12:36 Totals 39 minutes 52 seconds Blizzard time, divided by 1.4 to adjust for the game speed is ~ 28 minutes 29 seconds total time played. I just checked at what time the games started and ended on Youtube, however I 100% trust you more than me for things like this. Bunny maybe making GSL history then! | ||
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Elentos
54451 Posts
On July 21 2021 04:56 Nakajin wrote: I just checked at what time the games started and ended on Youtube, however I 100% trust you more than me for things like this. Bunny maybe making GSL history then! When you get to see gameplay the timer is never at 0, they're always at least a few seconds in already. That's why I took the time at which the in-game clock stopped as opposed to the time of the VOD. | ||
[Phantom]
Mexico1788 Posts
On July 20 2021 17:31 Vindicare605 wrote: I have a better idea. Reduce the shields on the Void Ray and increase its health to compensate. That will make the batteries less useful but won't hurt the Void Ray as a combat unit in actual big fights in the late game. The build will still be viable but it will be a lot more risky as the replenishable health of the Void Ray will be reduced and thus the effectiveness of the proxy shield batteries will be as well. I think that's a more elegant solution than simply reverting the Void Ray to being worthless again. That's a great solution. It will never happen because they'll never patch this game again. But it is good. Our only hope is map makers making maps that difficult this strat. Maybe in TLMC #16! | ||
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Freeborn
Germany408 Posts
On July 20 2021 17:31 Vindicare605 wrote: I have a better idea. Reduce the shields on the Void Ray and increase its health to compensate. That will make the batteries less useful but won't hurt the Void Ray as a combat unit in actual big fights in the late game. The build will still be viable but it will be a lot more risky as the replenishable health of the Void Ray will be reduced and thus the effectiveness of the proxy shield batteries will be as well. I think that's a more elegant solution than simply reverting the Void Ray to being worthless again. This is a good solution. I do not think however that a solution is required at this point. It is only fair that protoss has at least one strong rush/proxy. That was lacking for a long time and it gives protoss players multiple advantages because it also forces opponents to account for the possibility. I have yet to see a worse protoss player beat a superior terran with it. The top terrans seem to be able to deal with it unless executed by the top protosses (and then it still wins only sometimes). Btw. anyone else feels like trap plays like the maru of protoss? Aggressive whenever possible, edging out small advantages in every fight and all that? | ||
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tigera6
363 Posts
On July 22 2021 00:12 Freeborn wrote: This is a good solution. I do not think however that a solution is required at this point. It is only fair that protoss has at least one strong rush/proxy. That was lacking for a long time and it gives protoss players multiple advantages because it also forces opponents to account for the possibility. I have yet to see a worse protoss player beat a superior terran with it. The top terrans seem to be able to deal with it unless executed by the top protosses (and then it still wins only sometimes). Btw. anyone else feels like trap plays like the maru of protoss? Aggressive whenever possible, edging out small advantages in every fight and all that? Nice beat Clem in the ACE match in WTL with Proxy VR - Tempest. It take specific actions for the Terran player to be able to defend it, and even top players sometimes just mis-manage the situation into a loss. And yes, Trap and Maru were teammates for an extended period, so their style are somewhat similar with more agression in early game, into a strong macro at home and teching up the army like crazy. | ||
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QOGQOG
336 Posts
On July 22 2021 02:29 tigera6 wrote: Nice beat Clem in the ACE match in WTL with Proxy VR - Tempest. It take specific actions for the Terran player to be able to defend it, and even top players sometimes just mis-manage the situation into a loss. Nice beat Clem with a build that hadn't really been done, where he transitioned into building Tempests and proxied a gateway and Nexus in Clem's natural after building 2-3 voids. He ended up running Clem over with ground units because Clem made a bunch of Vikings and not much else (and lost a medivac+marines in a counter Nice shut down). Are we supposed to nerf Protoss to the point that someone who is notoriously vulnerable in PvT can repeatedly misplay against a sniper build they've never seen before and still win? | ||
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Nakajin
Canada7160 Posts
On July 21 2021 06:14 [Phantom] wrote: That's a great solution. It will never happen because they'll never patch this game again. But it is good. Our only hope is map makers making maps that difficult this strat. Maybe in TLMC #16! How does ond make a bad map for proxy void ray? Tuck the main ramp further back from the natural entrance maybe? | ||
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omop
38 Posts
On July 22 2021 03:08 Nakajin wrote: How does ond make a bad map for proxy void ray? Tuck the main ramp further back from the natural entrance maybe? Finaly a good use for neutral missile turrets!! | ||
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Sprog
New Zealand67 Posts
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machinus
United States267 Posts
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ReachTheSky
United States3191 Posts
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sc2_edc
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Drahkn
5 Posts
Dark beats Parting 4-0 noone cares, Protoss beat any race 4-0 everyone loses their minds. | ||
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