Ladder map pool updated (5.0.7 patch)

On April 07 2021 08:49 Jandos wrote:
I just came back after like 7 years pause from starcraft and I am wondering why are all the maps only two positions ? (1v1)
What happened to 4 position maps which are pretty much standard in broodwar. It just promote cheez and cannon rushes 24/7

On April 07 2021 14:13 WombaT wrote:
No Golden Wall? Sheesh my self-imposed many year exile from ladder will remain in place

On April 07 2021 14:31 ZigguratOfUr wrote:


Many year? Given that Golden Wall was on ladder six months ago its introduction doesn't seem to have shaken your exile.

On April 07 2021 19:50 MJG wrote:


Blackburn LE is going to produce some peak PvP Starcraft...

On April 07 2021 20:15 WombaT wrote:

The flame that burns twice as brightly and all that. Muh Wall

But nah much as I bemoan the lack of Golden Wall nice to see some freshening up of the pool, and really GW was a much, much better tournament map than ladder map. Still would be nice to have a curveball map or two in rotation.

On April 07 2021 04:45 Musicus wrote:
I hope there will be more communication in the future. New maps should not be a surprise and the community should not be left in the dark.

On April 08 2021 02:52 NonY wrote:

imo not many players are reading announcements like that anyway. but for those who do, what was so different about the last 2 weeks without the announcement versus what it would've been like with the announcement? i dont understand what significant things people are doing with the info that new ladder maps are coming soon

On April 08 2021 03:16 Sanglune wrote:

We mapmakers have some unofficial rules/standards, including one pertaining the distance behind mineral lines. It seems the lowground (natural) is in an infraction to these.

On April 08 2021 03:22 ZigguratOfUr wrote:


Eh... they're guidelines not hard and fast rules--being cannonable isn't inherently a bad thing even if it's very annoying.

On April 08 2021 04:18 [Phantom] wrote:
Hows ladder so far for you guys?

For me it seems people gave up and all switched to zerg. From the last 15 games 13 have been zvz. I counted.

On April 08 2021 04:18 [Phantom] wrote:
Hows ladder so far for you guys?

For me it seems people gave up and all switched to zerg. From the last 15 games 13 have been zvz. I counted.

On April 08 2021 07:21 Andi_Goldberger wrote:
its crazy how much more fun the game is on new maps even when its just 3 of them. I think its super irrational because im still playing almost the same game and even the maps are so standard every time, but just the new tilesets, stylings and exploration of the maps makes the game way more enjoyable. So I have been enjoying ladder quite a bit more.
Might also be because all of the new maps are pretty bad for cannon rushes :p

On April 08 2021 07:21 Andi_Goldberger wrote:
its crazy how much more fun the game is on new maps even when its just 3 of them. I think its super irrational because im still playing almost the same game and even the maps are so standard every time, but just the new tilesets, stylings and exploration of the maps makes the game way more enjoyable. So I have been enjoying ladder quite a bit more.
Might also be because all of the new maps are pretty bad for cannon rushes :p

On April 08 2021 08:31 Andi_Goldberger wrote:
I mean they are competing with deathaura which was one of the most annoying CR maps I can remember. I played a couple cannon rushers and non of the spots they tried were as annoying as DA or ie this triton one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au93Img83vg . maybe word just hasnt reached the poor cannon rushers yet..

On April 08 2021 09:42 washikie wrote:


I am very glad that map is gone dethura was an interesting map but the dumb canon rush spots, and extreme ease of turtleing on 4 base made it an imbalanced map.

On April 08 2021 00:14 ZigguratOfUr wrote:


Gemini complained about that during the contest, but none of these spots are that bad individually imo--there's just a lot of them. It's not much worse than say Ephemeron.

On April 08 2021 21:29 MJG wrote:

It's the sheer number of adjacent positions that's the problem.

If I make a Pylon in the middle position against the cliff-edge, it is going to power four different Cannon locations. If I make a Pylon in the middle position behind the minerals, it is going to power three different Cannon locations. For the cost of two Pylons, the Cannon rusher forces their opponent to pull seven Probes to block Cannon placement and/or attack the Pylons directly. This is on top of the two defensive Probes that should be attack-commanded onto each offensive Probe regardless of the map.

I make no secret of the fact that I'm a Cannon rusher, it's right there in my signature, but I'm still going to be vetoing this map because it's too much of a meme.

On April 09 2021 00:14 ZigguratOfUr wrote:


Oh I'm aware. I just don't think those types of cannon rushes based on the main's cliffing have been much of a problem in the past.

These spots are much better for dedicated cannon rushers than pros admittedly (since they give a lot of flexibility against an opponent that expects you to cannon rush every time and tries to blind counter), but that's fine imo.

On April 07 2021 08:51 Teoita wrote:


The 12 worker start in LotV makes it so that there is much less time for scouting before an early rush hits, so 4 player maps are annoying to play at best and awful and not viable at worse. For comparison, imagine playing on a 12 spawn map in BW and having to scout for a 10/15 opening in time.

On April 12 2021 23:24 Legan wrote:


Can you say which old maps the new maps are the reskins of?

On April 13 2021 00:37 BonitiilloO wrote:



Ever_Dream = Beckett_Industries

same layaout just minor tweaks

On April 13 2021 01:00 ZigguratOfUr wrote:


Have you even played the maps? Or watched the maps, or done anything other than lazily and superficially glancing at the overview pic? Beckett plays out completely differently than Ever Dream by virture of being way too small.

On April 13 2021 01:00 ZigguratOfUr wrote:


completely differently.

On April 13 2021 03:06 Ben... wrote:

I can see the comparison in terms of the layout of the first four bases, but yeah Beckett's very much a different map than Ever Dream otherwise.

Harstem mentioning that Beckett was made by a terran player makes that map make a lot more sense. There are so many good tank spots on it and small chokes that terran could do tank pushes through.

On April 13 2021 03:06 BonitiilloO wrote:



yeah sure... lool

On April 13 2021 03:14 ZigguratOfUr wrote:


It's not though--superouman doesn't play Terran afaik (he plays Zerg and Protoss), and the race a mapmaker plays honestly doesn't make a difference in a map. I do agree that the map has problems though (and had said so 14 months ago for that matter).

On April 13 2021 20:18 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Is it just me or are all the new maps T and P favored?

On April 13 2021 22:09 buzz_bender wrote:


That is generally the case with new maps until Zergs figure out the optimum strategies for the maps.