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Which observer interface do we like best?

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AlphaXSushi
Profile Joined September 2017
838 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-15 23:46:20
September 15 2020 23:45 GMT
#1
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Gameheart is the first one, Pro 2020 the 2nd and WCS 3.0 the last!

Poll: Which observer interface do we like best?

3. WCS 3.0 (150)
 
64%

2. Pro 2020 (46)
 
20%

1. Gameheart (39)
 
17%

235 total votes

Your vote: Which observer interface do we like best?

(Vote): 1. Gameheart
(Vote): 2. Pro 2020
(Vote): 3. WCS 3.0

phodacbiet
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1740 Posts
September 16 2020 00:15 GMT
#2
Anything but the Pro 2020 one in my opinion. The swap between minerals/gas and the supply is just weird to me. I also don't like how we use a wrench and sword for workers and the army. I guess switching up and having icons is nice stylistically, but nothing in this game uses a wrench or a sword. SCV uses a drill and zealots use psi blade. I am not sure if we can even switch between apm tab/resource lost in the Pro 2020 display, so I think that's some feature loss there.
AlphaXSushi
Profile Joined September 2017
838 Posts
September 16 2020 00:37 GMT
#3
On September 16 2020 09:15 phodacbiet wrote:
Anything but the Pro 2020 one in my opinion. The swap between minerals/gas and the supply is just weird to me. I also don't like how we use a wrench and sword for workers and the army. I guess switching up and having icons is nice stylistically, but nothing in this game uses a wrench or a sword. SCV uses a drill and zealots use psi blade. I am not sure if we can even switch between apm tab/resource lost in the Pro 2020 display, so I think that's some feature loss there.


I'm finding a lot of people are actually confused by the new Pro 2020 version too!
Goliath1333
Profile Joined February 2011
United States15 Posts
September 16 2020 01:08 GMT
#4
The advantage of the icons in Pro 2020 is that this interface can be used for any language. Also allows for the fonts to be much bigger and more legible.
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-16 01:21:25
September 16 2020 01:19 GMT
#5
On September 16 2020 10:08 Goliath1333 wrote:
The advantage of the icons in Pro 2020 is that this interface can be used for any language. Also allows for the fonts to be much bigger and more legible.


In practice being language independent is not that big of an advantage. And Gameheart's icons are less confusing, and can more easily be distinguished since they're not all the same muted colour.

One thing Pro 2020 does have going for it is that it shows the upgrades, which is much more useful than the APM on WCS 3.0.
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10366 Posts
September 16 2020 01:52 GMT
#6
Downside of icons is that people who are newer to the game wouldn't know what a sword refers to. If a commentator mentions minerals or supply, they can see what the number looks like in the UI if they see the actual text.

Also even as a SC2 player, seeing icons like sword, wrench, etc. is awkward and doesn't feel clear or intuitive enough to me. Those icons don't appear anywhere in the game like someone else said.

The coloring of the numbers is also a little too weak for me to instantly associate a number with something. Like the blue and green in WCS 3.0 are strong and are clearly for minerals and gas to me, but with Pro2020 it's too light for me to instantly think it's the blue of minerals and green of gas.
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SamirDuran
Profile Joined May 2012
Philippines895 Posts
September 16 2020 03:24 GMT
#7
Pro 2020 for me. It's like a breath of new fresh air to replay interface. Maybe we got used to the WCS 3.0 and Gameheart and that was the norm for the past years..
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33523 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-16 04:14:00
September 16 2020 04:12 GMT
#8
Having the exact resource gain rate always on is suuuuuuuch a difference maker, it's just always on my mind when it's missing now (fuck those un-intuitive icons on whatever the other UI is)
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[Phantom]
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Mexico2170 Posts
September 16 2020 04:45 GMT
#9
I like the WCS one. However all of them are pretty ugly.

The "stock" observer UI is much better lucking. Though admittedly it wastes a lot of space and cannot show some things concurrently like these can. I just wish they would improve the look of those UI themselves.
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jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5525 Posts
September 16 2020 05:48 GMT
#10
More info the better. Voted WCS 3.0.

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Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7036 Posts
September 16 2020 06:04 GMT
#11
On September 16 2020 09:15 phodacbiet wrote:
Anything but the Pro 2020 one in my opinion. The swap between minerals/gas and the supply is just weird to me. I also don't like how we use a wrench and sword for workers and the army. I guess switching up and having icons is nice stylistically, but nothing in this game uses a wrench or a sword. SCV uses a drill and zealots use psi blade. I am not sure if we can even switch between apm tab/resource lost in the Pro 2020 display, so I think that's some feature loss there.


They should just swap it back and Pro 2020 would be fine IMO.

If it really can't show additional stuff like ressource lost etc that would be another downside. Is that so? I have no idea?
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CicadaSC
Profile Joined January 2018
United States1850 Posts
September 16 2020 06:04 GMT
#12
i like the apm tracker so wcs 3.0
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followZeRoX
Profile Joined March 2011
Serbia1451 Posts
September 16 2020 07:53 GMT
#13
None but wcs 3.0 is the best from this imho.

RPR_Tempest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia7798 Posts
September 16 2020 08:41 GMT
#14
I am that one crazy person who never got used to the new ones and still uses the default replay interface that all the old GSLs were played on. I just flick between production and unit tab to check worker counts
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rayl991
Profile Joined August 2019
Afghanistan80 Posts
September 16 2020 11:23 GMT
#15
WCS 3.0 but i would prefer it to show upgrades instead of apm
Wardi
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
England897 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-16 11:35:45
September 16 2020 11:33 GMT
#16
Honestly I use gameheart because I like the size of it way more and the upgrades being always visible. But I would love to have income in it as well so people can stop whining that Im not showing it, because they seem to think its super importsnt even though they can see worker and base count anyway /minirant

I always found 3.0 clunky and never liked the style of it

Edit : also the backstory of Pro 2020 is that everything was made bigger to be friendlier for mobile / tv users which make up 30-50% of viewership. Thats why the production tab on Pro 2020 is a chonky boy
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33523 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-16 18:29:29
September 16 2020 15:18 GMT
#17
On September 16 2020 20:33 Wardi wrote:
Honestly I use gameheart because I like the size of it way more and the upgrades being always visible. But I would love to have income in it as well so people can stop whining that Im not showing it, because they seem to think its super importsnt even though they can see worker and base count anyway /minirant

I always found 3.0 clunky and never liked the style of it

Edit : also the backstory of Pro 2020 is that everything was made bigger to be friendlier for mobile / tv users which make up 30-50% of viewership. Thats why the production tab on Pro 2020 is a chonky boy


It's really nice because you get an EXACT number at ONE GLANCE. You also see how having to pull workers or stop mining affects things, it's faster than counting gas geysers on a minimap (some of which may be mined out), it's faster than staring at a minimap and trying to figure out which minerals are half-mined or full-mined, etc. It's just a lot of information at a single glance, and probably the 2nd best "who is winning?" number you can check after total supply
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ArtyK
Profile Joined June 2011
France3143 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-16 15:39:34
September 16 2020 15:35 GMT
#18
I also prefer gameheart : prettier, more compact but the icons are actually very recognizable unlike 2020, and more importantly the upgrades. Them being hidden half the time on the other overlays pisses me off while spectating or even watching my own replays.

And I disagree that income is that important. The income graph is more telling, the number by itself at x moment is often misleading depending on mules being dropped, worker transfers, etc...
Also gameheart actually shows income too bottom right as long as you don't have anything selected like the minerals in that pic so it's a non-issue. And observers rarely select stuff unless they're checking kills on a unit for example
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virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3599 Posts
September 16 2020 19:50 GMT
#19
I like watching SC2 on my tablet, which is why I like WCS 3.0 the most. Nice, readable fonts, good contrast. The Pro2020 one is very similar, but I'm not a fan of icons in general. I prefer words.
GameHeart looks slick, too, but it's not my favourite.

APM display is useless imho, especially since the discovery of rapid fire tricks. Show upgrades all the time, maybe even with some kind of progress bar.
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sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
September 16 2020 20:06 GMT
#20
Pro2020, but can we get the proper icons back. And make the border around the items in the production tab thinner - there is no reason for having such a thick line there.
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