EPTWhich "Premier Events" are the most prestigious? - Page 2
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Waxangel
United States33581 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On September 15 2020 22:55 Waxangel wrote: All the interviews I've read/heard in the modern era lead me to believe money is THE primary determinant of prestige From the players perspective it's obvious, fans may have a different view  I thought this is the latter one.On September 15 2020 22:13 WombaT wrote: Those are largely my criteria but HSC is a bit high no? It’s the players’ more casual, sociable tournament. We still see some great Starcraft but I never get the sense it’s a gigantic deal to most of the players Take tries to get there the best players in the business. Cannot say that about Blizzcon. Like I don't say that HSC is tripple the Blizzcon, si more like a difference between 1,05 and 1,06. But in my eyes it is skillwise better tourney. It;s my criterias ) | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26462 Posts
On September 15 2020 23:08 deacon.frost wrote: From the players perspective it's obvious, fans may have a different view I thought this is the latter one.Take tries to get there the best players in the business. Cannot say that about Blizzcon. Like I don't say that HSC is tripple the Blizzcon, si more like a difference between 1,05 and 1,06. But in my eyes it is skillwise better tourney. It;s my criterias )When half the players are hungover? | ||
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Whatson
United States5357 Posts
On September 15 2020 23:08 deacon.frost wrote: From the players perspective it's obvious, fans may have a different view I thought this is the latter one.Take tries to get there the best players in the business. Cannot say that about Blizzcon. Like I don't say that HSC is tripple the Blizzcon, si more like a difference between 1,05 and 1,06. But in my eyes it is skillwise better tourney. It;s my criterias )lol you hear about players wanting to make it to Blizzcon, nobody ever brings up HSC. That should tell you enough about the difference in levels. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On September 15 2020 22:55 Waxangel wrote: All the interviews I've read/heard in the modern era lead me to believe money is THE primary determinant of prestige I probably havent nearly as much as you have, but i think money is the primary determinant of which tournaments they want to play, not really prestige. For example, recently in I believe it was the Code S S2 QA segment, Maru was asked something along the lines if he'd rather win IEM or another Code S. He said IEM. Then the interviewer said if money wasnt a factor - Maru said Code S. I think that's what prestige means. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7136 Posts
On September 16 2020 04:07 BerserkSword wrote: I probably havent nearly as much as you have, but i think money is the primary determinant of which tournaments they want to play, not really prestige. For example, recently in I believe it was the Code S S2 QA segment, Maru was asked something along the lines if he'd rather win IEM or another Code S. He said IEM. Then the interviewer said if money wasnt a factor - Maru said Code S. I think that's what prestige means. Hmm... there is also a difference who you are asking I guess. Like Koreans players care more about Korean fans and therefore more for GSL. Foreigners are more like "Yes GSL would be awesome, but I really want IEM / Blizzcon" HSC is awesome and this reads like an insult TBH | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4967 Posts
On September 15 2020 12:03 yubo56 wrote: GSL has traditionally been considered to be even more prestigious, due to the level of competition (even though the prize pool is smaller). This was because Koreans were head and shoulders above all non-Koreans, to the degree that a tournament with the top 16 Koreans was harder to win than 8 Koreans and 8 non-Koreans. Additionally, GSL takes place over many weeks, which gives players more time to prepare for their particular opponent, unlike IEM and Global Finals, which play many matches each day over the span of a few days. Nowadays, GSL is much diminished from what it was before, and I think most people won't claim it's that much harder to win than the top EU tournaments, and Koreans say they have their sights set on the global events as well. But you might still hear pro-GSL advocates from players who haven't followed the scene in a while This first paragraph is correct but in present tense. Second paragraph is just not true. Even if GSl has been diminishing, there is still too much of a gap. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7136 Posts
On September 15 2020 12:03 yubo56 wrote: GSL has traditionally been considered to be even more prestigious, due to the level of competition (even though the prize pool is smaller). This was because Koreans were head and shoulders above all non-Koreans, to the degree that a tournament with the top 16 Koreans was harder to win than 8 Koreans and 8 non-Koreans. Additionally, GSL takes place over many weeks, which gives players more time to prepare for their particular opponent, unlike IEM and Global Finals, which play many matches each day over the span of a few days. Nowadays, GSL is much diminished from what it was before, and I think most people won't claim it's that much harder to win than the top EU tournaments, and Koreans say they have their sights set on the global events as well. But you might still hear pro-GSL advocates from players who haven't followed the scene in a while On September 16 2020 15:55 Argonauta wrote: This first paragraph is correct but in present tense. Second paragraph is just not true. Even if GSl has been diminishing, there is still too much of a gap. First paragraph is correct in past tense. Are you honestly telling us that you think a tournament with Serral and Reynor in it is easier to win than a tournament with Koreans 9th to 16th ( Zoun, Armani, Dream, Solar, ....? ) lol Second paragraph. Yes GSL is still much harder to win than a top EU tournament | ||
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RPR_Tempest
Australia7798 Posts
Then IEM = GSL side-events like GSL vs The World or Super Tournament Then other premiers then Homestory Cup | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26462 Posts
On September 16 2020 15:38 Harris1st wrote: Hmm... there is also a difference who you are asking I guess. Like Koreans players care more about Korean fans and therefore more for GSL. Foreigners are more like "Yes GSL would be awesome, but I really want IEM / Blizzcon" HSC is awesome and this reads like an insult TBH Awesome it be, the atmosphere and the general level is high don’t get me wrong. It’s relative lack of prestige is a big part of the players being able to relax and contributing to the unique atmosphere of the event. | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
Wich isn t a problem in my eyes, though, as it is meant to be more relaxed and social. | ||
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neptunusfisk
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[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
Blizzcon is the most prestigious because it's the official world championship. It doesn't matter which tournament is harder. Then after Blizzcon, comes GSL which is the most difficult tournament. It always has and always will be. The level of play on the gsl is on average much higher than any other. It's a much longer tournament. It requires more strategy and preparation. Most players are better. Other tournaments have foreigners which aren't as good as korean, except 3 specific ones which are just as good, but the rest of foreigners bring the average down. Some other tournaments might be actually more difficult than Blizzcon (but not GSL), but BlizzCon will have the most prestige because it's the global finals. It's like the soccer worldcup. A lot of people say the Champions League is harder than the WorldCup, or the eurocup. Might be.But the world cup is the most prestigious. | ||
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THERIDDLER
Canada127 Posts
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Argonauta
Spain4967 Posts
On September 16 2020 16:31 Harris1st wrote: First paragraph is correct in past tense. Are you honestly telling us that you think a tournament with Serral and Reynor in it is easier to win than a tournament with Koreans 9th to 16th ( Zoun, Armani, Dream, Solar, ....? ) lol Second paragraph. Yes GSL is still much harder to win than a top EU tournament I think you diminish the quality of players such Zoun Armani Dream Solar etc because you mainly see them playing in GSL. For example Armani is 966–415 (69.95%) in games and 462–148 (75.74%) in matches vs non-korean players according to aligulac which is quite high. One may wonder being no region lock how the top8 of each WCS migth be. I bet you will finf it fill mainly with this 9 to 16th GSL players. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26462 Posts
On September 17 2020 05:58 THERIDDLER wrote: I dont get how anyone could remotely think Blizzcon>GSL when region lock is literally the proof that GSL > Blizzcon There is one Blizzcon a year, you get 3 shots at a GSL. For many athletes the Olympic Games has prestige and recognition beyond winning their particular World Championships because it’s every 4 years and you have to nail your moment in the sun. Even though those Worlds may be annual or every 2 years and a more accurate gauge of who’s at the top, the Olympics has all the new casual viewers and the huge occasion and the subsequent recognition. Although I do think GSL has a higher level of play and many consider it the crowning glory in SC, Blizzcon has some merits too. Not that it means much re the prestige, such an observation but really Blizzcon champs are all solid hall-of-famers that have won other big tournaments and been at the top of the game for long periods, that’s not 100% the case with GSL champions | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7136 Posts
On September 17 2020 05:58 THERIDDLER wrote: I dont get how anyone could remotely think Blizzcon>GSL when region lock is literally the proof that GSL > Blizzcon Because 2018 Blizzcon winner and 2019 Runner-up are no GSL players  To use your logic: "that is literally proof that Dreamhack EU > GSL" On September 17 2020 06:52 Argonauta wrote: I think you diminish the quality of players such Zoun Armani Dream Solar etc because you mainly see them playing in GSL. For example Armani is 966–415 (69.95%) in games and 462–148 (75.74%) in matches vs non-korean players according to aligulac which is quite high. One may wonder being no region lock how the top8 of each WCS migth be. I bet you will finf it fill mainly with this 9 to 16th GSL players. The questios was "what is harder to win" and I think if you ask every player in the world who they it's harder to win against, Serral or Armani, the answers are 99,99% Serral Nothing to do with diminishing quality of players in general. Serral and Reynor are just flat out better than Armani, Zoun, Dream and Solar and therefore it is harder to win against them and therefore it is harder to win a tournament with them participating | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13993 Posts
IEM gets 2nd most hype GSL is the most notable win in terms of skill indication | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7136 Posts
1. Shitton of price pool 2. At least 90% through Qualifier 3. At least 60% Koreans and at least 20% EU 4. Played offline | ||
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