Wacky early WoL games

On April 16 2020 10:12 Bagration wrote:
In a wacky way, 2010 was the best era - it was the time of maximum creativity, maximum aggression, and maximum cheddar. BitbyBit was great and hilarious in particular

Plus, I'd love to see current pros play some WoL (or even LoTV) matches on those 2010 maps - back then we couldn't macro like we could now, so it was basically 2 rax, early pool, or 4 gates all day lol. Of course, need to have variety, but I wouldn't mind seeing some of those smaller maps as part of tournament map pool. Let's make early cheese more viable again haha

On April 16 2020 12:55 ThunderJunk wrote:


OH WOULD YOU!!! Noted.

Keep your eyes open for the next American ThunderLeague event.

On April 16 2020 10:12 Bagration wrote:
In a wacky way, 2010 was the best era - it was the time of maximum creativity, maximum aggression, and maximum cheddar.

On April 16 2020 14:22 ssg wrote:
If a gold league player today went back to gsl 1 he would likely win.

On April 16 2020 14:22 ssg wrote:
If a gold league player today went back to gsl 1 he would likely win.

On April 16 2020 21:58 omop wrote:
I would love to see a big 10 year anniversary tournament with games from every iteration or starcraft 2. Big and prestigious tournament to find out the true GOAT. I think for example it would fit good for online Homestorycup, because ping makes it a bit wacky anyway.

On April 16 2020 22:37 BisuDagger wrote:

I would back this only if we saw a bo7 between MVP and Serral with the map orders were based on the era they won in such as:
1. WoL
2. LoTV
3. WoL
4. LoTV
5. WoL
6. LoTV
7. HoTS

On April 16 2020 22:58 Mallyx wrote:


Every Vanilla ZvT gonna be a Proxy Rax. I don't think you can hold this with the patch and the control of a modern day Terran. So a very prestigious tournament might be a bit stupid, but some Showmatches would be cool.

On April 16 2020 23:01 deacon.frost wrote:

Vanilla 2 rax is a serious all in though, so if the Zerg goes pool first you're done. It's not like LotV where it's just an aggressive opening.

On April 16 2020 23:27 Mallyx wrote:


You think so? I'm not sure, tbh. It seemed insanely broken back then even during a time when many people went for a pool first build if I remember that correctly.

On April 16 2020 16:57 deacon.frost wrote:

lol no, the gold leagers i occassionally face have issues with expanding and heavy supply blocks. Not sure what region you play in, but I doubt even Korean gold league are significantly better

Edit> while it's funny to poke at the builds and some stupidity, the mechanics are well above todays diamond. I know it as my Protoss is diamond and I'm nowhere near them

On April 17 2020 02:31 LemonyTang wrote:
A lot of these games are hilarious and memorable, but do not get sucked into watching that Boxers v Rain game again. Literally awful. And I say that as someone that loves TvT.

On April 16 2020 10:12 Bagration wrote:
In a wacky way, 2010 was the best era - it was the time of maximum creativity, maximum aggression, and maximum cheddar. BitbyBit was great and hilarious in particular

Plus, I'd love to see current pros play some WoL (or even LoTV) matches on those 2010 maps - back then we couldn't macro like we could now, so it was basically 2 rax, early pool, or 4 gates all day lol. Of course, need to have variety, but I wouldn't mind seeing some of those smaller maps as part of tournament map pool. Let's make early cheese more viable again haha

On April 17 2020 02:38 ssg wrote:

Gsl 1 players had huge issues expanding lol. That's a big reason why I say a modern gold play could win GSL. Fruitdealer may be an exception but honestly even rainbows play was not above current gold and he was second. Pylon show recently took this question and they all agreed on platinum would win and then they sort of said gold at the end too when they thought about it more.

On April 17 2020 04:29 Devangel wrote:
Does anyone know where to find the VOD of Nestea vs Choya on Scrap Station? I've been looking for the VOD of this game for so many time after reding about it here (game #18):

https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/502858-the-best-games-of-2015

"there is no defense as unbelievable as NesTea vs Choya on Scrap Station. In that game, NesTea held a 4gate+void ray all in with 2 queens, a single zergling and a spine crawler" - this descriptions seems very wacky to me :D

On April 17 2020 04:09 deacon.frost wrote:

In all honesty, no. Mechanicly they weren't gold, the time was that expanding had to be taken slowly(4gate? hello?)

On April 17 2020 05:44 Luolis wrote:
I think this might actually be the worst sc2 pro game ever played :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i813CX1pblg

On April 17 2020 05:44 Luolis wrote:
I think this might actually be the worst sc2 pro game ever played :D

On April 17 2020 02:38 ssg wrote:
Gsl 1 players had huge issues expanding lol. That's a big reason why I say a modern gold play could win GSL.

On April 16 2020 12:30 Pandain wrote:
There was one legendary game where a zerg built an evolutionary chamber first instead of a spawning pool. What was most hilarious to me about it was that Tastosis was really trying to figure out what was the strategy and couldn't believe it was a mistake.

I found the game again once a few years ago, but not sure any more details. I think it was a small map.

On April 19 2020 04:39 Morbidius wrote:
Why was Nestea spine rush never done again? With the way LoTV economy works making a proxy hatch makes more sense, but it doesn't explain why it never happened again in WoL or HoTS.

On April 19 2020 04:05 FFW_Rude wrote:
I tried to start something like this a long time ago (but someone beat me to it) :

Tons of game here : https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/313668-cool-unusual-starcraft-2-games (from WoL to LotV)

ONLY stupid / Crazy games

Also wanted to trick people with a vod of reality vs soulkey but that would be really really mean.

On April 19 2020 04:05 FFW_Rude wrote:
I tried to start something like this a long time ago (but someone beat me to it) :

Tons of game here : https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/313668-cool-unusual-starcraft-2-games (from WoL to LotV)

ONLY stupid / Crazy games

Also wanted to trick people with a vod of reality vs soulkey but that would be really really mean.

On April 19 2020 10:42 Fanatic-Templar wrote:


So many games, and I still can't find that JulyZerg cheese. Am I the only one who was marked by it, or is it just completely lost?

On April 18 2020 08:59 Die4Ever wrote:
https://youtu.be/vx9zGvYYm4g
I miss the crazy maps lol

On April 19 2020 08:37 VelRa_G wrote:
Nothing like Day9 picking apart the 1337 strats of mass air on STEPPES OF WAR!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8HvOuhbN6w

On April 19 2020 12:20 catplanetcatplanet wrote:

Did a bit of LR sleuthing and I think I found it: 2011 january code a versus oDin on, indeed, delta quadrant Unfortunately I don't think those vods are on anywhere other than the gomtv website and are region locked to some degree. If you track down a replay give us a link!

On April 20 2020 00:29 Fanatic-Templar wrote:


Very grateful to you for finding the opponent though! Also hilarious to see a bunch of comments about how its an old, common cheese . I'll update if I ever manage to get my hands on it.

On April 20 2020 01:26 BonitiilloO wrote:
we need another scrap station map in LOVT, it would do a lot of interesting games.

On April 19 2020 20:55 GTR wrote:
when daybreak was released in late 2011 it pretty much set the golden standard for sc2 maps.

On April 17 2020 23:04 Nebuchad wrote:


I kind of want to see that now :/

On April 19 2020 16:47 yakitate304 wrote:
One of my favorite games ever was in the first GSL event, in a RO16 match between sanZenith and oGsInca. Back when charged Void Rays were a thing, this was one of the first games where we saw players at a high level really making a serious effort to get them charged before going into battle. As Tastosis said, at the time it seemed like this was just a glimpse of what the future would hold in terms of the VR, but alas Blizzard changed the mechanic.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhAaaM7rQTk

On April 27 2020 18:09 Psychonian wrote:
Just happened to watch this one. An absolute fiesta of a game between TheBestfOu and SlayerS_Min in the ro16 of the 2011 Super Tournament. They both should have won this game at least twice. https://youtu.be/yU92Xq3Vjb4

On April 23 2020 02:28 Node wrote:
TheLittleOne (Random Terran!) vs. Nazgul (!) on Metalopolis, back in the beta. Absolutely insane game that first put TLO on the map. Featuring nukes, battlecruisers, and just about every base on the map.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91XjX59O-VQ

On May 05 2020 00:18 DinosaurJones wrote:


Wolf and DoA sound like the same person having a conversation with himself.

On April 23 2020 02:28 Node wrote:
TheLittleOne (Random Terran!) vs. Nazgul (!) on Metalopolis, back in the beta. Absolutely insane game that first put TLO on the map. Featuring nukes, battlecruisers, and just about every base on the map.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91XjX59O-VQ

On May 22 2020 00:10 Luolis wrote:

Iirc that was a Marineking game.

On April 20 2020 04:31 Rucho wrote:
The idea that a modern player could crush in early gsl is just ridiculous. They would get slapped down and it would take months for them to learn the old builds. How the hell would you 1 gate expand vs Zerg with no adepts or oracles? How could you quickly expand in pvp when a single pylon on low ground can start warping in stalkers? Where you don't have WP pick-up range or increased health, or shield batteries to hold pushes? Where you have to research hallucination after warp gate if you want some sort of quick scouting?

There's a reason the pvz expand build was 3 gate expand with mass sentries and sim city (and they still got busted all the time).

Do you think neeb would remember the proper building locations for 3 gate expand on xel naga caverns?

How would a Terran 1 rax expand against protoss when they don't have quick reapers?


Yes there were some concepts that the early players were just not focusing enough on, like creep spread and scouting. But the rushes were powerful and the maps were small. Did yellow get triple bunker rushed from boxer because he was bad or ignorant? No, of course not. The build was strong and boxer had amazing micro. Would a B Zerg hold it today? Not likely.

On April 16 2020 12:30 Pandain wrote:
There was one legendary game where a zerg built an evolutionary chamber first instead of a spawning pool. What was most hilarious to me about it was that Tastosis was really trying to figure out what was the strategy and couldn't believe it was a mistake.

I found the game again once a few years ago, but not sure any more details. I think it was a small map.

On May 25 2020 18:06 Zealos wrote:

was there a stage where you needed pool to get evo?

feel like i remember something like that

On May 13 2020 04:27 plok00n wrote:
I'm using this thread to find a game if that is alright, it's been bothering me for a few days because i can't seem to find it not matter how much I tried.

I'm pretty sure that it is a game from WOL of Maru, he is playing a gsl or gstl game against a protoss (don't remeber who). The protoss went for a two gate proxy (no gas) in Maru's main and hid the gates. Maru managed to defend the rush without scouting anything, it was pretty amazing for that time. If someone could post the link it would really be appreciated.

On April 16 2020 16:01 Snakestyle11 wrote:
Dude and GSL was on almost every night for months at a time. It was sooo amazing. That terrible GOM player and 280p(or 360p?). Those were the days lol. It felt epic

On June 06 2020 23:42 nakam wrote:
There was a TvP, Code S or Code A match on Terminus where a terran completely fell apart to DTs being up something like 100 supply.

I beileve the terran might have been Rain (Korean Terran). Does anyone know which game this was?

EDIT:

So after about an hour googling I found the game:
Rain (Korean Terran) vs. InCa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvk-ImVy2GI

It features some incredibly poor decision-making and the saddest supply drop you'll ever see.

On April 23 2020 02:28 Node wrote:
TheLittleOne (Random Terran!) vs. Nazgul (!) on Metalopolis, back in the beta. Absolutely insane game that first put TLO on the map. Featuring nukes, battlecruisers, and just about every base on the map.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91XjX59O-VQ

On April 16 2020 15:40 WaesumNinja wrote:


The beta was something else as well. A young game full of possibilities and surprises around every corner. That was a great time to play.


He'd come very far at least. It'd be fun to compare these games with gold league replays from today side by side and see if you could figure out which one was the progame from the plays alone.

On September 11 2020 22:48 nimdil wrote:

Unless something changed since I played SC2 on ladder, gold players have nowhere near APM of pros from any era since BoxeR won his first OSL and would collapsed immediately after their initial build order wouldn't net them a win.

On April 27 2020 18:09 Psychonian wrote:
Just happened to watch this one. An absolute fiesta of a game between TheBestfOu and SlayerS_Min in the ro16 of the 2011 Super Tournament. They both should have won this game at least twice. https://youtu.be/yU92Xq3Vjb4

On June 07 2020 22:06 FuzzyJAM wrote:
I'm trying to remember the first ever baneling mine game.

It was on a vertical map whose name I don't recall. I think it was Kyrix or Zenio that did it. I wanna say it was against MVP before he had won a GSL but could be wrong. It was such a fucking cool thing to see marines just disappear and instantly forced Terrans to play differently.

Anyway, the hype was just wild. That was a cool time to watch SC2 - yes, the games were objectively terrible by contemporary standards, but there was such comedy and every GSL brought multiple new crazy things to the fore with a meta that changed by the minute.

On October 25 2020 06:09 NonY wrote:
i dont think it ranks very high up there but when thorzain went thors against me in TSL, i had no idea how to adjust in the middle of the series. no practice against that, didn't see it coming at all. you'd think immortals would be the counter but thors had that ability that could stun immortals... lol. i saw some MC vs thorzain games were already linked so those are probably demonstrating the same thing but with MC playing at a much higher level than me (and I assume he knew what was coming)

On December 16 2020 11:03 Hider wrote:


Around 2 months before thorzain used that build, I remember offracing as protoss and I faced this absolute horrendous terran player who sat on 2 bases for 20 minutes just massing thors and I lost to it...

Then I went back to terran and started doing the build and crushed almost all protosses. TvP went from my worst matchup to best.

However, then I met up against one protoss who went stalkers + Void Rays who beat me convincingly. Yes you can test this in the unit-tester. Stalkers + Void Rays beats Thors as Thors will automatically target the Void Rays and they deal little damage to armored air.

So unless you can manually target fire the individual stalkers you will lose the game. And that isn't really realistic since stalkers can have blink and you are likely to see the thors walking without shotting.

But because all the intuitive counters didn't work, Blizzard nerfed Thors without realizing that mass Thors was actually quite beatable. While I don't mind it since Thors are lame and boring; Compare that to the attitude in later half of 2012 where it was more like "yeh I am sure terran players can just figure something out themselves to beat zergs. Let's wait and see".

On December 16 2020 11:28 Nebuchad wrote:


Was that before the 1-1-1? I'm unsure why people would even try and mass thors when they had access to this push that had stupid winrates and wasn't nerfed in, over eight months I want to say?