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Foregone Conclusion? Finland wins NationWars 2019 - Page 4

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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55510 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-12-13 15:20:26
December 13 2019 15:19 GMT
#61
On December 13 2019 23:23 Harris1st wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2019 22:57 GrandSmurf wrote:
On December 12 2019 17:52 RoninKenshin wrote:
On December 12 2019 17:14 OGamingTV SC2 wrote:
Yes, a TL won by one player.
But if we just did:
A1 vs A2
B1 vs B2
C1 vs C2

90% of matches would have been decided just by the line up. We just can't do this format in 2019. Because most of the country don't have 3 pro players. It just would have been a pointless format. With almost 0 entertainment. It's why we just not only have to think at "what's working in SC2". But "what's working in SC2 in 2019".


When Jaedong basically carried Oz on his shoulders to win Proleagues, the format was bo5 with the 5th match being the Ace match. To win a round, Jaedong would win, 1 of his 3 teammates would win, and he would win the Ace. This format was acceptable, as someone besides the ace would be required to contribute.

The main problem for Nation Wars in regards to this is the 3 player roster vs 4 player for that bo5. And I agree that it's very difficult for many countries to procure 3 competitive players. I think the easiest solution is to cap a single player's number of games in a match to 1 less than the winning score. Bo5, cap the players at 2 games each. Bo7, cap the players at 3 games each etc.

This lets the Ace still shine in a shallow roster, but ensures that it's a team series.


if you are unable to find 3 players that can't compete, in your entire nation, your nation has no business in this tournament called Nation ! wars.

Finland won, good for serral but lets not pretend Finland is the best nation.


It's like in AoE 2, when archers and swordsman fight vs each other and then one player types BIG DADDY and a armored super vehicle with lasers and bazookas appears. That's Serral

Everyone knows in AoE 2 you enter howdoyouturnthison to get a Shelby Cobra firing machine guns.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-12-13 15:26:27
December 13 2019 15:24 GMT
#62
On December 14 2019 00:09 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2019 23:23 Harris1st wrote:
On December 13 2019 22:57 GrandSmurf wrote:
On December 12 2019 17:52 RoninKenshin wrote:
On December 12 2019 17:14 OGamingTV SC2 wrote:
Yes, a TL won by one player.
But if we just did:
A1 vs A2
B1 vs B2
C1 vs C2

90% of matches would have been decided just by the line up. We just can't do this format in 2019. Because most of the country don't have 3 pro players. It just would have been a pointless format. With almost 0 entertainment. It's why we just not only have to think at "what's working in SC2". But "what's working in SC2 in 2019".


When Jaedong basically carried Oz on his shoulders to win Proleagues, the format was bo5 with the 5th match being the Ace match. To win a round, Jaedong would win, 1 of his 3 teammates would win, and he would win the Ace. This format was acceptable, as someone besides the ace would be required to contribute.

The main problem for Nation Wars in regards to this is the 3 player roster vs 4 player for that bo5. And I agree that it's very difficult for many countries to procure 3 competitive players. I think the easiest solution is to cap a single player's number of games in a match to 1 less than the winning score. Bo5, cap the players at 2 games each. Bo7, cap the players at 3 games each etc.

This lets the Ace still shine in a shallow roster, but ensures that it's a team series.


if you are unable to find 3 players that can't compete, in your entire nation, your nation has no business in this tournament called Nation ! wars.

Finland won, good for serral but lets not pretend Finland is the best nation.


It's like in AoE 2, when archers and swordsman fight vs each other and then one player types BIG DADDY and a armored super vehicle with lasers and bazookas appears. That's Serral

Yet he didn't win the IEM nor Blizzcon. His Bazooka wasn't big enough? And it's not a racial issue, both events were won by Zerg


Yes, we all know the list of the tournaments someone didn't win is the most relevant; just accept Serral's greatness at this point, denying it is useless.
Aunvilgodess
Profile Joined May 2016
954 Posts
December 13 2019 15:34 GMT
#63
I think they need to change up the format again. I am not interested in teams being carried by a single player like that. To me it leads the whole concept of a team tournament ad absurdum.
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
December 13 2019 16:16 GMT
#64
On December 14 2019 00:34 Aunvilgodess wrote:
I think they need to change up the format again. I am not interested in teams being carried by a single player like that. To me it leads the whole concept of a team tournament ad absurdum.

Like Korea, wich got hard carried by Stats in the finals, as their only player to actually take maps of the finnish rooster?
MaxPax
UnLarva
Profile Joined March 2019
458 Posts
December 13 2019 17:53 GMT
#65
On December 14 2019 01:16 dbRic1203 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2019 00:34 Aunvilgodess wrote:
I think they need to change up the format again. I am not interested in teams being carried by a single player like that. To me it leads the whole concept of a team tournament ad absurdum.

Like Korea, wich got hard carried by Stats in the finals, as their only player to actually take maps of the finnish rooster?


Even better than that, Zhuge's win against soO cannot be put on imba.

Koreans where good (by default), but... the tournament format was same for every country and Finland managed to use its available roster the best in given circumstances, Serral being just Serral. Note that TheMusZero took a map vs Italy, an another One-man-army team, thus as a team effort everyone in Team Finland contributed for the team's success.

That "Ad Absurdum" is Serral, but you know that as I do. :D
Part-time Serralogist
Kertorak
Profile Joined November 2019
125 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-12-14 04:11:15
December 14 2019 04:10 GMT
#66
On December 11 2019 13:48 RandomPlayer wrote:
I agree, good format by NW. SC2 teams are not suitable for team leagues, it’s a 1vs1 game. Good event though.


I disagree, while sc2 is popular for its 1on1, 2vs2 is still played by pros occasionally. It's something you can play... So it IS absolutely suitable. It's not like I'm saying every tournament needs to do 2vs2.. but 1 of 100, why not.
Indeed the balance is "different" here.
I wish I had quality over quantity | "The point of Sc<x> is that your skill a constant WIP - which provides that unique joy of the game - not to post which rank you are in a this moment"
ElMeanYo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1032 Posts
December 14 2019 04:30 GMT
#67
Love Nation Wars... you guys hold my fav tournament of the year! Keep going!
“The only man who never makes mistakes is the man who never does anything.” ― Theodore Roosevelt
kajtarp
Profile Joined April 2011
Hungary473 Posts
December 23 2019 10:54 GMT
#68
On December 14 2019 02:53 UnLarva wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2019 01:16 dbRic1203 wrote:
On December 14 2019 00:34 Aunvilgodess wrote:
I think they need to change up the format again. I am not interested in teams being carried by a single player like that. To me it leads the whole concept of a team tournament ad absurdum.

Like Korea, wich got hard carried by Stats in the finals, as their only player to actually take maps of the finnish rooster?


Even better than that, Zhuge's win against soO cannot be put on imba.

Koreans where good (by default), but... the tournament format was same for every country and Finland managed to use its available roster the best in given circumstances, Serral being just Serral. Note that TheMusZero took a map vs Italy, an another One-man-army team, thus as a team effort everyone in Team Finland contributed for the team's success.

That "Ad Absurdum" is Serral, but you know that as I do. :D


I'm not happy to say but soO's form after his IEM victory is getting worse and worse. Had Rogue or Dark played its a completely different ball game...
Why so serious?
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