EPTForegone Conclusion? Finland wins NationWars 2019 - Page 2
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sneakyfox
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
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franzji
United States581 Posts
The upset in the finals was great too. Letting the Koreans have 1 less shot at Serral is a big deal (Serral did lose 1 game in the finals). Maybe Reynor, Serral (or zerg) are just too good at the game and that is why their nations went so far. | ||
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Tommy131313
Germany152 Posts
Only thing, that could be tweaked imho is the way to choose teams. Maybe try some national competition? Could be great motivation for lower tier players to improve. And at least some of the national competitions would likely be streamed by national community casters... | ||
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ZugzwangSC
87 Posts
(Great write up, Wax!!) | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium3996 Posts
On December 12 2019 03:23 ZugzwangSC wrote: This Seral guy, he kinda sounds like he might be an ok player. (Great write up, Wax!!) he cant beat computer, what's up with that | ||
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ZugzwangSC
87 Posts
It's part of his long range plan to defer Skynet's Judgment Day. | ||
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UnLarva
458 Posts
On December 12 2019 06:15 ZugzwangSC wrote: Serral's so good he makes it look like he's losing -- he secretly lets Alpha Star win. It's part of his long range plan to defer Skynet's Judgment Day. Yeah. "Better not to teach these strats to Alpha." How much I'd like to say its not all about Serral, somehow all trajectories end to there... at to the skull pile around and beneath of his divine throne. I loved his casual Finnish comments in SC2.Fi V9 about games earlier today. He played games in his mind from both sides simultaneously, and his pre-insight was spot on... and when it wasn't there was a plunder by a player. Mostly Finnish audience in the stream acted just like would've been expected. Serral's Aura transcended through everything... "It's nice" | ||
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Xamo
Spain877 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8988 Posts
On December 12 2019 08:21 Xamo wrote: The format is nice right now. A full Proleague format would be always won by Korea, whereas now both Finland and Korea have options. I feel like France, Germany and China would also have a decent shot. CTC format is the best imo | ||
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virpi
Germany3598 Posts
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OGamingTV SC2
France84 Posts
Thank you for the feedback on NW. Let's us know what did you think about the format etc. W'll look into it ! But for the 2v2 part. We clearly wanted put it in the format. Since it is a real team match. Instead of just having 1v1. But noone plays it at high level. And one of the reason it's beacause it's really imbalanced and often boring. 2v2 in W3 was a lot of fun. But it turn's out it's not really the case in SC2. I watched the 2v2 in Crank TL. And there were only 1 good match in all the season. It's totaly not worth it. We can't just compare "hey look, in tennis there is a 2v2 at some point so let's do the same". We need to look at what's working the best in SC2 first. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On December 12 2019 17:01 OGamingTV SC2 wrote: Hello, Thank you for the feedback on NW. Let's us know what did you think about the format etc. W'll look into it ! But for the 2v2 part. We clearly wanted put it in the format. Since it is a real team match. Instead of just having 1v1. But noone plays it at high level. And one of the reason it's beacause it's really imbalanced and often boring. 2v2 in W3 was a lot of fun. But it turn's out it's not really the case in SC2. I watched the 2v2 in Crank TL. And there were only 1 good match in all the season. It's totaly not worth it. We can't just compare "hey look, in tennis there is a 2v2 at some point so let's do the same". We need to look at what's working the best in SC2 first. Hey, look, it's a team league and it was won by one player. This sounds way better | ||
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OGamingTV SC2
France84 Posts
But if we just did: A1 vs A2 B1 vs B2 C1 vs C2 90% of matches would have been decided just by the line up. We just can't do this format in 2019. Because most of the country don't have 3 pro players. It just would have been a pointless format. With almost 0 entertainment. It's why we just not only have to think at "what's working in SC2". But "what's working in SC2 in 2019". | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On December 12 2019 17:14 OGamingTV SC2 wrote: Yes, a TL won by one player. But if we just did: A1 vs A2 B1 vs B2 C1 vs C2 90% of matches would have been decided just by the line up. We just can't do this format in 2019. Because most of the country don't have 3 pro players. It just would have been a pointless format. With almost 0 entertainment. It's why we just not only have to think at "what's working in SC2". But "what's working in SC2 in 2019". Look at my earlier post, I actually aknowledged this. But sorry not sorry, it couldn't be resisted to post this once you posted your thing about 2v2 (and I don't think 2v2 is the solution either) | ||
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OGamingTV SC2
France84 Posts
Yeah 2v2 is not the solution. Unfortunatly, Archont mode is not either. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On December 12 2019 17:18 OGamingTV SC2 wrote: Ho ok sry ! Yeah 2v2 is not the solution. Unfortunatly, Archont mode is not either. Obviously the solution is coop. Brutal6+ and the opposing team will select the map. If you win you can resurrect your ace player, if you lose, you lost :D I just wish there would be any solution to this but there isn't. At least if you want it serious. | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On December 12 2019 17:14 OGamingTV SC2 wrote: Yes, a TL won by one player. But if we just did: A1 vs A2 B1 vs B2 C1 vs C2 90% of matches would have been decided just by the line up. We just can't do this format in 2019. Because most of the country don't have 3 pro players. It just would have been a pointless format. With almost 0 entertainment. It's why we just not only have to think at "what's working in SC2". But "what's working in SC2 in 2019". Honestly I think the format was really nice, and led to some really cool and competitive matches. Korea vs Finland, Korea vs Canada and Italy vs France could have swung either way and offered up great games. I don't envy your task of choosing a format for this, but the end result was very good :D | ||
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Archerylady
277 Posts
The fact is, the format is still slanted towards the nations with the deeper lineups. It's just not so slanted that it's a guaranteed victory for them. It still allows the possibility of an all-kill by a truly phenomenal player. And that only adds to the excitement and enriches the tournament. | ||
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RoninKenshin
Canada97 Posts
On December 12 2019 17:14 OGamingTV SC2 wrote: Yes, a TL won by one player. But if we just did: A1 vs A2 B1 vs B2 C1 vs C2 90% of matches would have been decided just by the line up. We just can't do this format in 2019. Because most of the country don't have 3 pro players. It just would have been a pointless format. With almost 0 entertainment. It's why we just not only have to think at "what's working in SC2". But "what's working in SC2 in 2019". When Jaedong basically carried Oz on his shoulders to win Proleagues, the format was bo5 with the 5th match being the Ace match. To win a round, Jaedong would win, 1 of his 3 teammates would win, and he would win the Ace. This format was acceptable, as someone besides the ace would be required to contribute. The main problem for Nation Wars in regards to this is the 3 player roster vs 4 player for that bo5. And I agree that it's very difficult for many countries to procure 3 competitive players. I think the easiest solution is to cap a single player's number of games in a match to 1 less than the winning score. Bo5, cap the players at 2 games each. Bo7, cap the players at 3 games each etc. This lets the Ace still shine in a shallow roster, but ensures that it's a team series. | ||
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