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Doctorasul
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Romania1145 Posts
June 15 2007 17:38 GMT
#301
So you're saying they could keep the soul hunters, jungle tileset, marine shields and siege tanks' looks and get rid of the phase cannons, phase prism, warp in and nydus worms?
"I believe in Spinoza's god who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, but not in a god who concerns himself with the fate and actions of human beings." - Albert Einstein
Dariush
Profile Joined April 2007
Romania330 Posts
June 15 2007 17:52 GMT
#302
Why do you compare sc alpha with sc2 alpha? sc alpha almost got canceled and got a new engine...

Dont expect a radical change in sc2 graphics.
FatRine
Profile Joined May 2007
406 Posts
June 15 2007 20:59 GMT
#303
On June 16 2007 02:52 Dariush wrote:
Why do you compare sc alpha with sc2 alpha? sc alpha almost got canceled and got a new engine...

Dont expect a radical change in sc2 graphics.


word dog, word
SkyTheUnknown
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Germany2065 Posts
June 15 2007 21:46 GMT
#304
The first Videos were great...but THIS one is horrible. It really looks like War3, way too much content with lasers, explosions, and cartoonish colours.
Also I'm very suspicius who is working in the creative section für SC2...the Units are very very dissapointing. Even the Unit's in War3 had a MUCH better design, looked better and fitted better to the scenario. But here the Protoss Units are looking so similar..some grey...and even more grey colours. This is just lame. Even the Interceptors of the "new" Carriers are looking "cheap".
Somehow i feel Blizzard's creative section isn't up to their performance like when they worked on SC/BW and War3.
greetings so far,
SkY
The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear, and the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown - H.P. Lovecraft
Nyovne
Profile Joined March 2006
Netherlands19141 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-15 22:34:44
June 15 2007 22:00 GMT
#305
On June 16 2007 06:46 SkyTheUnknown wrote:
The first Videos were great...but THIS one is horrible. It really looks like War3, way too much content with lasers, explosions, and cartoonish colours.
Also I'm very suspicius who is working in the creative section für SC2...the Units are very very dissapointing. Even the Unit's in War3 had a MUCH better design, looked better and fitted better to the scenario. But here the Protoss Units are looking so similar..some grey...and even more grey colours. This is just lame. Even the Interceptors of the "new" Carriers are looking "cheap".
Somehow i feel Blizzard's creative section isn't up to their performance like when they worked on SC/BW and War3.
greetings so far,
SkY

You are just as terrible as all the other whiners here. Just gtfo of this forum if you can contribute nothing but estetic whines. Shows just what kind of noob you are.

Any real gamer cares less about looks, lame unit names or whatever and sees that kinda stuff as a bonus. Gameplay and strategy is where its really at. If you cant see that, please go troll on Bnet forums.

The only thing we know about gameplay is going to be a new type of attack, namely continuous damage (colossus warp-ray). Which in my opinion makes for some interesting takes as they are hard to use for hit and run and cant really do the attack, move, attack, move as with most current ranged units because it looks like you need 1 second or more before damage ticks. Plus the fact that you waste the best of its ability which is the continued strafe across the battle field or the increased damage over time of the warp-rays.

Another is the new protoss way of producing units and the way they can warp them in everywhere, that + phase prism technology are incredibly brilliant designs which make gameplay absolutely unique and innovative.

If people would only look at what blizzard is doing to gameplay design and originality where it matters in my opinion namely where it really makes or breaks a game they would see its a diamond in the rough atm.

Thanks.
ModeratorFor remember, that in the end, some are born to live, others born to die. I belong to those last, born to burn, born to cry. For I shall remain alone... forsaken.
FatRine
Profile Joined May 2007
406 Posts
June 15 2007 23:04 GMT
#306
Nyovne you sound like a overenthusiastic fool imo

and you say looks dont matter, yeah ok. It looks like shit, but thats not the thing.. It does not look CLEAR enough! meaning its possibly harder to see whats going on in a fight etc.

get it`!??!?!?!!?!?!??!?!?!??
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
June 15 2007 23:21 GMT
#307
Jesus christ, shut up.
I hate the SC2 forum.

It's full of smelly dirty tight assholes.
POWER OVERWHELMING ! ! ! KRUU~ KRUU~
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
June 15 2007 23:31 GMT
#308
BTW, Psi Storm looks AWESOME.
POWER OVERWHELMING ! ! ! KRUU~ KRUU~
Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
June 15 2007 23:43 GMT
#309
On June 16 2007 08:04 FatRine wrote:
Nyovne you sound like a overenthusiastic fool imo

and you say looks dont matter, yeah ok. It looks like shit, but thats not the thing.. It does not look CLEAR enough! meaning its possibly harder to see whats going on in a fight etc.

get it`!??!?!?!!?!?!??!?!?!??
it will look clear enough once youve played the game a handful of times. the first time i watched someone play sc i didnt understand what was going on either

"get it ?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?"
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imRadu
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
1798 Posts
June 15 2007 23:51 GMT
#310
come on guys, as long as there aren't any neutral creeps, heroes and items it can't be that bad : )

everyone also seems to forget that blizzards allways adjust the game in it's expansions Original starcraft , diablo, worldofwarcraft, warcraft3 vs their expansions is worth a whole new topic.

Its really good to see that some people dont let education get in the way of their ignorance
FatRine
Profile Joined May 2007
406 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-15 23:59:05
June 15 2007 23:57 GMT
#311
On June 16 2007 08:43 Carnac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2007 08:04 FatRine wrote:
Nyovne you sound like a overenthusiastic fool imo

and you say looks dont matter, yeah ok. It looks like shit, but thats not the thing.. It does not look CLEAR enough! meaning its possibly harder to see whats going on in a fight etc.

get it`!??!?!?!!?!?!??!?!?!??
it will look clear enough once youve played the game a handful of times. the first time i watched someone play sc i didnt understand what was going on either

"get it ?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?"


I mean in terms of colour contrast between backgrounds and units, glow and everything else. OF course you dont understand whats going on the first time you play starcraft, this is diffrent however.
Starcraft 2 so far has a less solid look in terms of contrast between background/ units and buildings. It seems the background in starcraft 2 attracts the eyes ALOT more than in the original game.

and imo a bad thing, especially since starcraft 2 will have so many units on screen in comparison to another somewhat unclear game (wc3)

get it ?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?
Nyovne
Profile Joined March 2006
Netherlands19141 Posts
June 16 2007 01:11 GMT
#312
On June 16 2007 08:57 FatRine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2007 08:43 Carnac wrote:
On June 16 2007 08:04 FatRine wrote:
Nyovne you sound like a overenthusiastic fool imo

and you say looks dont matter, yeah ok. It looks like shit, but thats not the thing.. It does not look CLEAR enough! meaning its possibly harder to see whats going on in a fight etc.

get it`!??!?!?!!?!?!??!?!?!??
it will look clear enough once youve played the game a handful of times. the first time i watched someone play sc i didnt understand what was going on either

"get it ?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?"


I mean in terms of colour contrast between backgrounds and units, glow and everything else. OF course you dont understand whats going on the first time you play starcraft, this is diffrent however.
Starcraft 2 so far has a less solid look in terms of contrast between background/ units and buildings. It seems the background in starcraft 2 attracts the eyes ALOT more than in the original game.

and imo a bad thing, especially since starcraft 2 will have so many units on screen in comparison to another somewhat unclear game (wc3)

get it ?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?

I advise you first watch the high resolution version, then if that still doesn't sort it to see an eye doctor.

In wc3 units are HUGE how can that not be a clear game? :S Personally I have no problems at all with the current SC2 looks, I really like it but thats a personal and subjective thing.

As far as Im an overenthusiastic fool, I dont see why Im a fool with my opinion and especially dont see why you arent a overpessimistic fool then along with all other whiners.

This forum needs some form of positive antitrolls against all the whine.

We Are the Blades of Aiur!
ModeratorFor remember, that in the end, some are born to live, others born to die. I belong to those last, born to burn, born to cry. For I shall remain alone... forsaken.
FatRine
Profile Joined May 2007
406 Posts
June 16 2007 01:42 GMT
#313
On June 16 2007 10:11 Nyovne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2007 08:57 FatRine wrote:
On June 16 2007 08:43 Carnac wrote:
On June 16 2007 08:04 FatRine wrote:
Nyovne you sound like a overenthusiastic fool imo

and you say looks dont matter, yeah ok. It looks like shit, but thats not the thing.. It does not look CLEAR enough! meaning its possibly harder to see whats going on in a fight etc.

get it`!??!?!?!!?!?!??!?!?!??
it will look clear enough once youve played the game a handful of times. the first time i watched someone play sc i didnt understand what was going on either

"get it ?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?"


I mean in terms of colour contrast between backgrounds and units, glow and everything else. OF course you dont understand whats going on the first time you play starcraft, this is diffrent however.
Starcraft 2 so far has a less solid look in terms of contrast between background/ units and buildings. It seems the background in starcraft 2 attracts the eyes ALOT more than in the original game.

and imo a bad thing, especially since starcraft 2 will have so many units on screen in comparison to another somewhat unclear game (wc3)

get it ?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?

I advise you first watch the high resolution version, then if that still doesn't sort it to see an eye doctor.

In wc3 units are HUGE how can that not be a clear game? :S Personally I have no problems at all with the current SC2 looks, I really like it but thats a personal and subjective thing.

As far as Im an overenthusiastic fool, I dont see why Im a fool with my opinion and especially dont see why you arent a overpessimistic fool then along with all other whiners.

This forum needs some form of positive antitrolls against all the whine.

We Are the Blades of Aiur!


seen it, perfect vision, and wc3 aint nearly as clear as starcraft in whats going on. It's ugly too, like starcraft 2 is so far.

and your bitching about "whiners" is quite silly, cause most people here are giving good critical arguements.. you're not giving especially great arguements why sc2 is so great in comparison to broodwar.. Imo, you're the whiner. You're bitching against people who are critical (since when is being critical such a bad thing?) and thats quite lame.

Are all threads about sc2 suppose to be about people worshipping the game? Before it's released you cant praise it much, but you sure as hell can criticize it to death. And you should too, i think.
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
June 16 2007 02:46 GMT
#314
Meh, I don't think SC2 is NEARLY as hard to follow as War3 is, cause War3 just had so many different colours and buffs flying around which we haven't seen present in SC2 at all so far.

I used to think SC2 would look good cellshaded, just a random thought I felt like mentioning, but IMO what it looks like now is alright, I have a feeling it will grow on me :o

Just need to fix some attacks and units (soul hunters ..............)
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Equinox_kr
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States7395 Posts
June 16 2007 03:20 GMT
#315
<3 that VOD
^-^
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32278 Posts
June 16 2007 03:26 GMT
#316
On June 15 2007 10:23 Nyovne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2007 04:25 IncogniToss wrote:
Hello, i'm new to TL so i can't Post new topic then i just add right here a vid that not seems to be shown anywhere on tl forums



And a better quality DDL here!


Ignore the rude responses, it's good you try to contribute and a good shot at making a worthwile entrance to the boards. Not every shot hits so shame but good try hehe.

Anyways, welcome to Teamliquid.net!


Finally somebody doesnt flame people who come with good intentions.

Welcome Incognitoss
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tubster68
Profile Joined May 2007
Canada59 Posts
June 16 2007 03:50 GMT
#317
OMG someone make a SC2 Complain thread please!! Do not Complain here!!
do not major in minor things
Raidern
Profile Joined February 2005
Brazil3811 Posts
June 16 2007 04:01 GMT
#318
btw
in this video (at the beginning) there is also that weird picture of some blizzard folks (i saw because my computer has some problems that runs videos VERY slowly ) can someone take a picture of that in the movie?

thanks
For the Swarm!
Nyovne
Profile Joined March 2006
Netherlands19141 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-16 07:05:31
June 16 2007 06:57 GMT
#319
On June 16 2007 10:42 FatRine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2007 10:11 Nyovne wrote:
On June 16 2007 08:57 FatRine wrote:
On June 16 2007 08:43 Carnac wrote:
On June 16 2007 08:04 FatRine wrote:
Nyovne you sound like a overenthusiastic fool imo

and you say looks dont matter, yeah ok. It looks like shit, but thats not the thing.. It does not look CLEAR enough! meaning its possibly harder to see whats going on in a fight etc.

get it`!??!?!?!!?!?!??!?!?!??
it will look clear enough once youve played the game a handful of times. the first time i watched someone play sc i didnt understand what was going on either

"get it ?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?"


I mean in terms of colour contrast between backgrounds and units, glow and everything else. OF course you dont understand whats going on the first time you play starcraft, this is diffrent however.
Starcraft 2 so far has a less solid look in terms of contrast between background/ units and buildings. It seems the background in starcraft 2 attracts the eyes ALOT more than in the original game.

and imo a bad thing, especially since starcraft 2 will have so many units on screen in comparison to another somewhat unclear game (wc3)

get it ?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?

I advise you first watch the high resolution version, then if that still doesn't sort it to see an eye doctor.

In wc3 units are HUGE how can that not be a clear game? :S Personally I have no problems at all with the current SC2 looks, I really like it but thats a personal and subjective thing.

As far as Im an overenthusiastic fool, I dont see why Im a fool with my opinion and especially dont see why you arent a overpessimistic fool then along with all other whiners.

This forum needs some form of positive antitrolls against all the whine.

We Are the Blades of Aiur!


seen it, perfect vision, and wc3 aint nearly as clear as starcraft in whats going on. It's ugly too, like starcraft 2 is so far.

and your bitching about "whiners" is quite silly, cause most people here are giving good critical arguements.. you're not giving especially great arguements why sc2 is so great in comparison to broodwar.. Imo, you're the whiner. You're bitching against people who are critical (since when is being critical such a bad thing?) and thats quite lame.

Are all threads about sc2 suppose to be about people worshipping the game? Before it's released you cant praise it much, but you sure as hell can criticize it to death. And you should too, i think.

To each his own, you wanna be like that go ahead. But seriously you call unfunded dislikes about color or lasers well argumented criticism? What Uni do you study at? Lol.

Its the unfunded complaints that are repeated in every thread they can. I see nothing critical in that, just a subjective complaint about estetics.

As for the rest I'll decide for myself what I should do fyi tyvm. And being critical about pre alpha is just nuts. Nonstop bitching about looks while a game is all about gameplay and balance is just a joke. People take brilliant new innovations such as the new building tech from toss for granted while that really matters and influences the game but they just keep on whining and crying and bitching and nagging about some shades of green or if its lasers or plasma bolts.

Sigh to each his own I guess.

And FA totally agree with yous sir, soulhunters are tres dire.

Personally everything Ive seen with the sole exception of the soulhunter has totally hyped me for this game and I expectantly wait for more goodies. If you feel differently, fine, but try argumenting why or make your own whine thread instead of clottering other threads up with negativism and unfunded complains. Reasoning such as its got lasers so its CnC3.5 so it must suck just tires me out.
ModeratorFor remember, that in the end, some are born to live, others born to die. I belong to those last, born to burn, born to cry. For I shall remain alone... forsaken.
boghat
Profile Joined January 2007
United States2109 Posts
June 16 2007 07:26 GMT
#320
Of course gameplay and balance are extremely important but thinking that the appearance of the game doesn't matter is foolish. Why can't we want good gameplay, balance, and have the game aesthetically pleasing at the same time? They've been working on the game for many years afterall.

The game needs to be more realistic, grittier, and less boxy and cartoony in appearance. Complaining about this in the pre-alpha stage is a good thing because if Blizzard hears enough complaints about this they might actually do something to make the appearance more in line with the gritty feel of the StarCraft universe in subsequent stages.

Complaining about the appearance of the game is actually one of the only legitimate criticisms you can make at this time since we know little about the gameplay and nothing about the balance. And saying that the appearance of the game doesn't matter is simply very untrue, especially for a game that is supposed to become a spectator sport.
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