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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-06 09:09:41
April 06 2019 09:06 GMT
#21
On April 06 2019 18:02 mierin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2019 15:21 MockHamill wrote:
If Maru wins the final I think he really is the best player outside of Europe.


If (and likely when) Maru wins this GSL finals, I think that's the tipping point to crown him best player (so far) in 2019. Unless Serral wins something big in the meantime.


Serral's already out of the running. He didn't win IEM and he didn't win WESG. And no more chances to prove himself against Korea's finest until GSL vs the World. There's zero reason to crown him in 2019 when he lost to soO and Inno, both of whom went on to claim trophies while Serral is empty-handed.

Maru might claim the crown if he wins GSL, but it'll be a tarnished one, considering his performance at non-GSLs.
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Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7450 Posts
April 06 2019 09:11 GMT
#22
Protoss too strong, Terran can't win.

Maru played this beautifully, while Trap made a few too many mistakes, same as Dear before him. Let's see if Classic can get it done
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pichoo
Profile Joined May 2014
Australia123 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-06 09:12:35
April 06 2019 09:11 GMT
#23
In game 4 Maru vs Trap, at early game around min 3:30, Maru started to have higher supply at 43 vs Trap at 42. I rarely see a case where Protoss has lower supply in the early game. Did Trap just fall short on his macro ?

At min 6:20, just when tasteless said "Maru is definitely at a deficit here", after the failed attack, Maru supply was at 79 vs Trap at 72. Can anyone explain?
MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
April 06 2019 09:22 GMT
#24
On April 06 2019 16:23 xelnaga_empire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2019 16:17 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On April 06 2019 15:16 ParksonVN wrote:
On April 06 2019 14:47 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Maru has tied soO's record for 4 finals in a row and may soon tie/exceed Mvp's record in titles depending on how you count GSL vs The World. Crazy


Why do some people always (advertently) forget that Inno also won 4 GSLs (if counts GSL vs The World)?


Because nobody cares about him whereas Mvp is a big ass pimp


Even if Maru wins this GSL, I would still say Innovation is the GOAT of SC2. With the WESG win this year, Innovation just added another major tournament win to his trophy case. Without the WESG win, I would consider that if Maru wins this GSL, he is very close to Innovation or maybe Maru even surpasses Innovation. But after the WESG win, Innovation is still the GOAT.

Maru is still young and Innovation is getting old. So if Maru keeps it up, he may surpass Innovation eventually. Having said that, Serral is also very young so Serral has many more tournaments to win in the future and perhaps it will be Serral and Maru trying to take over as GOAT from Innovation.



It depends on what you value more. If consistency and longevity is your main criteria then Innovation is the obvious GOAT.
If you value the highest skill peak and level of play, then Maru is the obvious GOAT.

And that Serral part... Uhm, Serral won 2 meaningful tournaments. While Maru won 6? 7? + Proleague. Serral will never be a GOAT because he is playing in a weak region.
Top 11: Rogue, Maru, Inno, Zest, Life, sOs, Stats, Dark, soO, Mvp, Classic/Trap/MC/Rain
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-06 09:33:59
April 06 2019 09:24 GMT
#25
On April 06 2019 15:16 ParksonVN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2019 14:47 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Maru has tied soO's record for 4 finals in a row and may soon tie/exceed Mvp's record in titles depending on how you count GSL vs The World. Crazy


Why do some people always (advertently) forget that Inno also won 4 GSLs (if counts GSL vs The World)?

GSL vs The World counts as a GSL for Mvp and INno.

GSL World championship doesn't count for Life and Zest.

GSL Super Tournament counts for Polt but not Rogue or herO.

According to the community anyway.
On April 06 2019 18:22 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2019 16:23 xelnaga_empire wrote:
On April 06 2019 16:17 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On April 06 2019 15:16 ParksonVN wrote:
On April 06 2019 14:47 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Maru has tied soO's record for 4 finals in a row and may soon tie/exceed Mvp's record in titles depending on how you count GSL vs The World. Crazy


Why do some people always (advertently) forget that Inno also won 4 GSLs (if counts GSL vs The World)?


Because nobody cares about him whereas Mvp is a big ass pimp


Even if Maru wins this GSL, I would still say Innovation is the GOAT of SC2. With the WESG win this year, Innovation just added another major tournament win to his trophy case. Without the WESG win, I would consider that if Maru wins this GSL, he is very close to Innovation or maybe Maru even surpasses Innovation. But after the WESG win, Innovation is still the GOAT.

Maru is still young and Innovation is getting old. So if Maru keeps it up, he may surpass Innovation eventually. Having said that, Serral is also very young so Serral has many more tournaments to win in the future and perhaps it will be Serral and Maru trying to take over as GOAT from Innovation.

It depends on what you value more. If consistency and longevity is your main criteria then Innovation is the obvious GOAT.

People really forget about how consistent Maru has been. If you look back season by season to the start of HotS he's actually more consistent than INno. Maru was the best terran/went the deepest in more seasons, but INno would peak for like one season a year and win it.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-06 09:28:12
April 06 2019 09:27 GMT
#26
On April 06 2019 18:24 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2019 15:16 ParksonVN wrote:
On April 06 2019 14:47 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Maru has tied soO's record for 4 finals in a row and may soon tie/exceed Mvp's record in titles depending on how you count GSL vs The World. Crazy


Why do some people always (advertently) forget that Inno also won 4 GSLs (if counts GSL vs The World)?

GSL vs The World counts as a GSL for Mvp and INno.

GSL World championship doesn't count for Life and Zest.

GSL Super Tournament counts for Polt but not Rogue or herO.

According to the community anyway.


While this might matter for G5L, why does it matter here? As of right now, Maru and Mvp and Inno all have 3 GSL Code S trophies. Maru is the only one that might change his trophy count in a week.
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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13023 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-06 09:33:42
April 06 2019 09:32 GMT
#27
On April 06 2019 18:06 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2019 18:02 mierin wrote:
On April 06 2019 15:21 MockHamill wrote:
If Maru wins the final I think he really is the best player outside of Europe.


If (and likely when) Maru wins this GSL finals, I think that's the tipping point to crown him best player (so far) in 2019. Unless Serral wins something big in the meantime.


Serral's already out of the running. He didn't win IEM and he didn't win WESG. And no more chances to prove himself against Korea's finest until GSL vs the World. There's zero reason to crown him in 2019 when he lost to soO and Inno, both of whom went on to claim trophies while Serral is empty-handed.

Maru might claim the crown if he wins GSL, but it'll be a tarnished one, considering his performance at non-GSLs.

Why talk about Serral when 2019 in EU is gonna be about Reynor? /s

On April 06 2019 18:24 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2019 15:16 ParksonVN wrote:
On April 06 2019 14:47 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Maru has tied soO's record for 4 finals in a row and may soon tie/exceed Mvp's record in titles depending on how you count GSL vs The World. Crazy


Why do some people always (advertently) forget that Inno also won 4 GSLs (if counts GSL vs The World)?

GSL vs The World counts as a GSL for Mvp and INno.

GSL World championship doesn't count for Life and Zest.

GSL Super Tournament counts for Polt but not Rogue or herO.

According to the community anyway.

GSL Super Tournament from Polt was a super difficult tournament with top 64 players from Korea with even more money than GSL, not the same 16 players and little money we have now.
WriterMaru
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-06 09:39:39
April 06 2019 09:37 GMT
#28
On April 06 2019 18:27 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2019 18:24 Fango wrote:
On April 06 2019 15:16 ParksonVN wrote:
On April 06 2019 14:47 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Maru has tied soO's record for 4 finals in a row and may soon tie/exceed Mvp's record in titles depending on how you count GSL vs The World. Crazy


Why do some people always (advertently) forget that Inno also won 4 GSLs (if counts GSL vs The World)?

GSL vs The World counts as a GSL for Mvp and INno.

GSL World championship doesn't count for Life and Zest.

GSL Super Tournament counts for Polt but not Rogue or herO.

According to the community anyway.


While this might matter for G5L, why does it matter here? As of right now, Maru and Mvp and Inno all have 3 GSL Code S trophies. Maru is the only one that might change his trophy count in a week.

Because people are literally talking about how Maru might match Mvp/INno's GSL counts if he wins here. Even though he already has.

Besides, his OSL was basically a GSL win given OSL was the name of WCS Korea season 2 that year. And he has an SSL on top of that. If Maru had won two GSLs instead of OSL/SSL in HotS people would have rated him much higher, personally I find that stupid.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
April 06 2019 09:40 GMT
#29
On April 06 2019 18:37 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2019 18:27 pvsnp wrote:
On April 06 2019 18:24 Fango wrote:
On April 06 2019 15:16 ParksonVN wrote:
On April 06 2019 14:47 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Maru has tied soO's record for 4 finals in a row and may soon tie/exceed Mvp's record in titles depending on how you count GSL vs The World. Crazy


Why do some people always (advertently) forget that Inno also won 4 GSLs (if counts GSL vs The World)?

GSL vs The World counts as a GSL for Mvp and INno.

GSL World championship doesn't count for Life and Zest.

GSL Super Tournament counts for Polt but not Rogue or herO.

According to the community anyway.


While this might matter for G5L, why does it matter here? As of right now, Maru and Mvp and Inno all have 3 GSL Code S trophies. Maru is the only one that might change his trophy count in a week.

Because people are literally talking about how Maru might match Mvp/INno's GSL counts if he wins here. Even though he already has.

Besides, his OSL was basically a GSL win given OSL was the name of WCS Korea season 2 that year. And he has an SSL on top of that. If Maru had won two GSLs instead of OSL/SSL in HotS people would have rated him much higher, personally I find that stupid.


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ordeal11
Profile Joined August 2018
Czech Republic52 Posts
April 06 2019 11:27 GMT
#30
On April 06 2019 18:11 pichoo wrote:
In game 4 Maru vs Trap, at early game around min 3:30, Maru started to have higher supply at 43 vs Trap at 42. I rarely see a case where Protoss has lower supply in the early game. Did Trap just fall short on his macro ?

At min 6:20, just when tasteless said "Maru is definitely at a deficit here", after the failed attack, Maru supply was at 79 vs Trap at 72. Can anyone explain?


sadly i have to agree with you, sometimes tasteless seems like he doesnt even watch what Is going on.., with noregret he called that protoss still have recall avaliable like 30 seconds after being used And captured by observer. I have similiar feelings with ToD, but dont take me wrong I still take them as best casters in the game alongside artosis/rotti/incontrol/maynarde
Hvvacha
Profile Joined April 2018
82 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-06 11:35:46
April 06 2019 11:35 GMT
#31
On April 06 2019 16:48 Ej_ wrote:
Can we finally nerf Protoss tho? It's laughable that Terran is literally unplayable in TvP :[


maru vs trap is like gm vs masters, so yes p will be nerfed lol.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
April 06 2019 12:20 GMT
#32
On April 06 2019 18:32 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2019 18:24 Fango wrote:
On April 06 2019 15:16 ParksonVN wrote:
On April 06 2019 14:47 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Maru has tied soO's record for 4 finals in a row and may soon tie/exceed Mvp's record in titles depending on how you count GSL vs The World. Crazy


Why do some people always (advertently) forget that Inno also won 4 GSLs (if counts GSL vs The World)?

GSL vs The World counts as a GSL for Mvp and INno.

GSL World championship doesn't count for Life and Zest.

GSL Super Tournament counts for Polt but not Rogue or herO.

According to the community anyway.

GSL Super Tournament from Polt was a super difficult tournament with top 64 players from Korea with even more money than GSL, not the same 16 players and little money we have now.

Fair enough, but the community considers both Polt a GSL champ, and NesTea the first back-to-back champ. Either one or the other is true.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-06 12:42:09
April 06 2019 12:41 GMT
#33
On April 06 2019 20:35 Hvvacha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2019 16:48 Ej_ wrote:
Can we finally nerf Protoss tho? It's laughable that Terran is literally unplayable in TvP :[


maru vs trap is like gm vs masters, so yes p will be nerfed lol.

I don't think Protoss will be nerfed as long as the Terran players are so much better than theProtoss players that they can fight off the imbalance :[
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JoeCool
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany2520 Posts
April 06 2019 12:58 GMT
#34
Still don't like the way groups are drawn. Not taking anything away from Maru, you have to admit that he had a rather easy path to the finals.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12134 Posts
April 06 2019 13:24 GMT
#35
On April 06 2019 21:58 JoeCool wrote:
Still don't like the way groups are drawn. Not taking anything away from Maru, you have to admit that he had a rather easy path to the finals.

To the ro8? Sure, to the finals? Nope?
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raff100
Profile Joined April 2011
498 Posts
April 06 2019 13:55 GMT
#36
I can't understand how Maru can destroy everyone in GSL and then disappear when he's outside Korea. He would be the best sc2 player ever if it wasn't for how bad he get crushed in every worldwide tournament.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
April 06 2019 13:57 GMT
#37
On April 06 2019 21:58 JoeCool wrote:
Still don't like the way groups are drawn. Not taking anything away from Maru, you have to admit that he had a rather easy path to the finals.

Trap 2-0'd INno and 3-2'd TY this very season. How can he be considered an easy opponent for a terran at all
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Kimb3r
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany744 Posts
April 06 2019 14:00 GMT
#38
Maybe because tournament format is completely different than GSL style where you can prep a lot...

Well that series was sick.. Maru looks incredibly strong.. of course he can't win everything but in sometimes he just crushes opponents and let's it look easy...
Maru | Dark | Zest | Reynor | Scarlett
Toua
Profile Joined February 2017
Denmark318 Posts
April 06 2019 14:02 GMT
#39
On April 06 2019 21:58 JoeCool wrote:
Still don't like the way groups are drawn. Not taking anything away from Maru, you have to admit that he had a rather easy path to the finals.

Dear was litteraly 20-0 vs terran before he faced Maru
Stats, Dark, Maru <3
renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
April 06 2019 14:12 GMT
#40
Maru might have just out mind-gamed trap in this series. It's hard to play against people you know, let alone teammates.
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