Maru continued to make GSL history as he swept Jin Air teammate Trap 4-0 to reach his fourth consecutive Code S finals. Maru tied soO's record for four straight finals appearances (set in 2013-2014), and has a chance to break his own record of three consecutive Code S championships with an incredible fourth title in a row.
Although Trap had proven his PvT prowess with prior victories against INnoVation and TY, he was unable to summon the same form in his first ever Code S semifinal match. Maru's harassment and subsequent attacks steamrolled Trap in the first two sets, and Trap's later attempts at all-ins and aggression could only seem desperate in comparison.
After the games, Maru made the surprising admission that he had been taking things relatively easy compared to 2018, and that he considered Classic an easier opponent than Trap (a common compliment Maru paid his teammates during his 2018 run).Maru will face Classic in the grand final match, set for Sunday, Apr 14 8:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)
On April 06 2019 14:47 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Maru has tied soO's record for 4 finals in a row and may soon tie/exceed Mvp's record in titles depending on how you count GSL vs The World. Crazy
Why do some people always (advertently) forget that Inno also won 4 GSLs (if counts GSL vs The World)?
I'm wondering a few things, the first: Did sOs decide to train with Maru instead of Trap? Second: Is Maru's play (no proxies, lots of ravens) indicative of how he will play against Classic? Did he break the matchup [when playing Maru level] or thirdly, is he just hiding his true strategies until he cheeses the moon out of Classic in some crazy proxy builds and mass widow mine drop play that blows all of our minds as he becomes the 4x in a row GSL champ?!
On April 06 2019 14:47 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Maru has tied soO's record for 4 finals in a row and may soon tie/exceed Mvp's record in titles depending on how you count GSL vs The World. Crazy
Why do some people always (advertently) forget that Inno also won 4 GSLs (if counts GSL vs The World)?
GSL vs the world does not count, just like Super tournament doesn't count
On April 06 2019 14:47 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Maru has tied soO's record for 4 finals in a row and may soon tie/exceed Mvp's record in titles depending on how you count GSL vs The World. Crazy
Why do some people always (advertently) forget that Inno also won 4 GSLs (if counts GSL vs The World)?
Because nobody cares about him whereas Mvp is a big ass pimp
On April 06 2019 14:47 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Maru has tied soO's record for 4 finals in a row and may soon tie/exceed Mvp's record in titles depending on how you count GSL vs The World. Crazy
Why do some people always (advertently) forget that Inno also won 4 GSLs (if counts GSL vs The World)?
On April 06 2019 14:47 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Maru has tied soO's record for 4 finals in a row and may soon tie/exceed Mvp's record in titles depending on how you count GSL vs The World. Crazy
Why do some people always (advertently) forget that Inno also won 4 GSLs (if counts GSL vs The World)?
Because nobody cares about him whereas Mvp is a big ass pimp
Even if Maru wins this GSL, I would still say Innovation is the GOAT of SC2. With the WESG win this year, Innovation just added another major tournament win to his trophy case. Without the WESG win, I would consider that if Maru wins this GSL, he is very close to Innovation or maybe Maru even surpasses Innovation. But after the WESG win, Innovation is still the GOAT.
Maru is still young and Innovation is getting old. So if Maru keeps it up, he may surpass Innovation eventually. Having said that, Serral is also very young so Serral has many more tournaments to win in the future and perhaps it will be Serral and Maru trying to take over as GOAT from Innovation.
On April 06 2019 16:08 fishjie wrote: if he wins this then maru is GOAT
who cares about weekenders like blizzcon - aside from dave4
I would not even slightly dismiss or discredit them, but for maru to continue his reign while keeping a undefeated streak in non-marathon(weekend)-style tourneys... he'd be undisputed best in the world and best of all time (or at least, his last year+1/4 would be the best over that period of time ever), imo
he never faced serral directly and serral has never won a tourney that included opponents getting 9 days to get ready for a bo7 against him. if he won even 1 like that I'd say he could be the choice, but while maru was able to take quick tourneys during 2018, serral has never even been in a slow GSL.
On April 06 2019 16:08 fishjie wrote: if he wins this then maru is GOAT
who cares about weekenders like blizzcon - aside from dave4
I would not even slightly dismiss or discredit them, but for maru to continue his reign while keeping a undefeated streak in non-marathon(weekend)-style tourneys... he'd be undisputed best in the world and best of all time (or at least, his last year+1/4 would be the best over that period of time ever), imo
he never faced serral directly and serral has never won a tourney that included opponents getting 9 days to get ready for a bo7 against him. if he won even 1 like that I'd say he could be the choice, but while maru was able to take quick tourneys during 2018, serral has never even been in a slow GSL.
WESG 2017 they faced directly :o.
Kinda expected result but still nice to see an in form Maru
On April 06 2019 15:21 MockHamill wrote: If Maru wins the final I think he really is the best player outside of Europe.
If (and likely when) Maru wins this GSL finals, I think that's the tipping point to crown him best player (so far) in 2019. Unless Serral wins something big in the meantime.
On April 06 2019 15:21 MockHamill wrote: If Maru wins the final I think he really is the best player outside of Europe.
If (and likely when) Maru wins this GSL finals, I think that's the tipping point to crown him best player (so far) in 2019. Unless Serral wins something big in the meantime.
Serral's already out of the running. He didn't win IEM and he didn't win WESG. And no more chances to prove himself against Korea's finest until GSL vs the World. There's zero reason to crown him in 2019 when he lost to soO and Inno, both of whom went on to claim trophies while Serral is empty-handed.
Maru might claim the crown if he wins GSL, but it'll be a tarnished one, considering his performance at non-GSLs.
In game 4 Maru vs Trap, at early game around min 3:30, Maru started to have higher supply at 43 vs Trap at 42. I rarely see a case where Protoss has lower supply in the early game. Did Trap just fall short on his macro ?
At min 6:20, just when tasteless said "Maru is definitely at a deficit here", after the failed attack, Maru supply was at 79 vs Trap at 72. Can anyone explain?
On April 06 2019 14:47 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Maru has tied soO's record for 4 finals in a row and may soon tie/exceed Mvp's record in titles depending on how you count GSL vs The World. Crazy
Why do some people always (advertently) forget that Inno also won 4 GSLs (if counts GSL vs The World)?
Because nobody cares about him whereas Mvp is a big ass pimp
Even if Maru wins this GSL, I would still say Innovation is the GOAT of SC2. With the WESG win this year, Innovation just added another major tournament win to his trophy case. Without the WESG win, I would consider that if Maru wins this GSL, he is very close to Innovation or maybe Maru even surpasses Innovation. But after the WESG win, Innovation is still the GOAT.
Maru is still young and Innovation is getting old. So if Maru keeps it up, he may surpass Innovation eventually. Having said that, Serral is also very young so Serral has many more tournaments to win in the future and perhaps it will be Serral and Maru trying to take over as GOAT from Innovation.
It depends on what you value more. If consistency and longevity is your main criteria then Innovation is the obvious GOAT. If you value the highest skill peak and level of play, then Maru is the obvious GOAT.
And that Serral part... Uhm, Serral won 2 meaningful tournaments. While Maru won 6? 7? + Proleague. Serral will never be a GOAT because he is playing in a weak region.
On April 06 2019 14:47 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Maru has tied soO's record for 4 finals in a row and may soon tie/exceed Mvp's record in titles depending on how you count GSL vs The World. Crazy
Why do some people always (advertently) forget that Inno also won 4 GSLs (if counts GSL vs The World)?
GSL vs The World counts as a GSL for Mvp and INno.
GSL World championship doesn't count for Life and Zest.
GSL Super Tournament counts for Polt but not Rogue or herO.
On April 06 2019 14:47 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Maru has tied soO's record for 4 finals in a row and may soon tie/exceed Mvp's record in titles depending on how you count GSL vs The World. Crazy
Why do some people always (advertently) forget that Inno also won 4 GSLs (if counts GSL vs The World)?
Because nobody cares about him whereas Mvp is a big ass pimp
Even if Maru wins this GSL, I would still say Innovation is the GOAT of SC2. With the WESG win this year, Innovation just added another major tournament win to his trophy case. Without the WESG win, I would consider that if Maru wins this GSL, he is very close to Innovation or maybe Maru even surpasses Innovation. But after the WESG win, Innovation is still the GOAT.
Maru is still young and Innovation is getting old. So if Maru keeps it up, he may surpass Innovation eventually. Having said that, Serral is also very young so Serral has many more tournaments to win in the future and perhaps it will be Serral and Maru trying to take over as GOAT from Innovation.
It depends on what you value more. If consistency and longevity is your main criteria then Innovation is the obvious GOAT.
People really forget about how consistent Maru has been. If you look back season by season to the start of HotS he's actually more consistent than INno. Maru was the best terran/went the deepest in more seasons, but INno would peak for like one season a year and win it.
On April 06 2019 14:47 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Maru has tied soO's record for 4 finals in a row and may soon tie/exceed Mvp's record in titles depending on how you count GSL vs The World. Crazy
Why do some people always (advertently) forget that Inno also won 4 GSLs (if counts GSL vs The World)?
GSL vs The World counts as a GSL for Mvp and INno.
GSL World championship doesn't count for Life and Zest.
GSL Super Tournament counts for Polt but not Rogue or herO.
According to the community anyway.
While this might matter for G5L, why does it matter here? As of right now, Maru and Mvp and Inno all have 3 GSL Code S trophies. Maru is the only one that might change his trophy count in a week.
On April 06 2019 15:21 MockHamill wrote: If Maru wins the final I think he really is the best player outside of Europe.
If (and likely when) Maru wins this GSL finals, I think that's the tipping point to crown him best player (so far) in 2019. Unless Serral wins something big in the meantime.
Serral's already out of the running. He didn't win IEM and he didn't win WESG. And no more chances to prove himself against Korea's finest until GSL vs the World. There's zero reason to crown him in 2019 when he lost to soO and Inno, both of whom went on to claim trophies while Serral is empty-handed.
Maru might claim the crown if he wins GSL, but it'll be a tarnished one, considering his performance at non-GSLs.
Why talk about Serral when 2019 in EU is gonna be about Reynor? /s
On April 06 2019 14:47 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Maru has tied soO's record for 4 finals in a row and may soon tie/exceed Mvp's record in titles depending on how you count GSL vs The World. Crazy
Why do some people always (advertently) forget that Inno also won 4 GSLs (if counts GSL vs The World)?
GSL vs The World counts as a GSL for Mvp and INno.
GSL World championship doesn't count for Life and Zest.
GSL Super Tournament counts for Polt but not Rogue or herO.
According to the community anyway.
GSL Super Tournament from Polt was a super difficult tournament with top 64 players from Korea with even more money than GSL, not the same 16 players and little money we have now.
On April 06 2019 14:47 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Maru has tied soO's record for 4 finals in a row and may soon tie/exceed Mvp's record in titles depending on how you count GSL vs The World. Crazy
Why do some people always (advertently) forget that Inno also won 4 GSLs (if counts GSL vs The World)?
GSL vs The World counts as a GSL for Mvp and INno.
GSL World championship doesn't count for Life and Zest.
GSL Super Tournament counts for Polt but not Rogue or herO.
According to the community anyway.
While this might matter for G5L, why does it matter here? As of right now, Maru and Mvp and Inno all have 3 GSL Code S trophies. Maru is the only one that might change his trophy count in a week.
Because people are literally talking about how Maru might match Mvp/INno's GSL counts if he wins here. Even though he already has.
Besides, his OSL was basically a GSL win given OSL was the name of WCS Korea season 2 that year. And he has an SSL on top of that. If Maru had won two GSLs instead of OSL/SSL in HotS people would have rated him much higher, personally I find that stupid.
On April 06 2019 14:47 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Maru has tied soO's record for 4 finals in a row and may soon tie/exceed Mvp's record in titles depending on how you count GSL vs The World. Crazy
Why do some people always (advertently) forget that Inno also won 4 GSLs (if counts GSL vs The World)?
GSL vs The World counts as a GSL for Mvp and INno.
GSL World championship doesn't count for Life and Zest.
GSL Super Tournament counts for Polt but not Rogue or herO.
According to the community anyway.
While this might matter for G5L, why does it matter here? As of right now, Maru and Mvp and Inno all have 3 GSL Code S trophies. Maru is the only one that might change his trophy count in a week.
Because people are literally talking about how Maru might match Mvp/INno's GSL counts if he wins here. Even though he already has.
Besides, his OSL was basically a GSL win given OSL was the name of WCS Korea season 2 that year. And he has an SSL on top of that. If Maru had won two GSLs instead of OSL/SSL in HotS people would have rated him much higher, personally I find that stupid.
On April 06 2019 18:11 pichoo wrote: In game 4 Maru vs Trap, at early game around min 3:30, Maru started to have higher supply at 43 vs Trap at 42. I rarely see a case where Protoss has lower supply in the early game. Did Trap just fall short on his macro ?
At min 6:20, just when tasteless said "Maru is definitely at a deficit here", after the failed attack, Maru supply was at 79 vs Trap at 72. Can anyone explain?
sadly i have to agree with you, sometimes tasteless seems like he doesnt even watch what Is going on.., with noregret he called that protoss still have recall avaliable like 30 seconds after being used And captured by observer. I have similiar feelings with ToD, but dont take me wrong I still take them as best casters in the game alongside artosis/rotti/incontrol/maynarde
On April 06 2019 14:47 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Maru has tied soO's record for 4 finals in a row and may soon tie/exceed Mvp's record in titles depending on how you count GSL vs The World. Crazy
Why do some people always (advertently) forget that Inno also won 4 GSLs (if counts GSL vs The World)?
GSL vs The World counts as a GSL for Mvp and INno.
GSL World championship doesn't count for Life and Zest.
GSL Super Tournament counts for Polt but not Rogue or herO.
According to the community anyway.
GSL Super Tournament from Polt was a super difficult tournament with top 64 players from Korea with even more money than GSL, not the same 16 players and little money we have now.
Fair enough, but the community considers both Polt a GSL champ, and NesTea the first back-to-back champ. Either one or the other is true.
On April 06 2019 21:58 JoeCool wrote: Still don't like the way groups are drawn. Not taking anything away from Maru, you have to admit that he had a rather easy path to the finals.
I can't understand how Maru can destroy everyone in GSL and then disappear when he's outside Korea. He would be the best sc2 player ever if it wasn't for how bad he get crushed in every worldwide tournament.
On April 06 2019 21:58 JoeCool wrote: Still don't like the way groups are drawn. Not taking anything away from Maru, you have to admit that he had a rather easy path to the finals.
Trap 2-0'd INno and 3-2'd TY this very season. How can he be considered an easy opponent for a terran at all
Maybe because tournament format is completely different than GSL style where you can prep a lot...
Well that series was sick.. Maru looks incredibly strong.. of course he can't win everything but in sometimes he just crushes opponents and let's it look easy...
On April 06 2019 21:58 JoeCool wrote: Still don't like the way groups are drawn. Not taking anything away from Maru, you have to admit that he had a rather easy path to the finals.
Dear was litteraly 20-0 vs terran before he faced Maru
On April 06 2019 21:58 JoeCool wrote: Still don't like the way groups are drawn. Not taking anything away from Maru, you have to admit that he had a rather easy path to the finals.
A good part of that was a lot of the favourite bombing out by themself, but yes Maru path to the final has been one of the easiest in recent history, apart from Dear who was a long shot (and maybe herO) he didn't face anyone who you would say at the start of the season had a reasonable chance of winning it. I know we hype Trap and Impact but let's be real if GSL history has thought us anything is that guys like those are never winning a GSL.
On April 06 2019 22:55 raff100 wrote: I can't understand how Maru can destroy everyone in GSL and then disappear when he's outside Korea. He would be the best sc2 player ever if it wasn't for how bad he get crushed in every worldwide tournament.
Crushed is such an overstatement. The only crushing that has happened since the start of 2018 was IEM, where he barely didn't survive group stages. Remember the winner? That soO guy? Yeah that guy barely advanced with the same 2-3 match score as maru in a much easier group. It's a stacked tournament and without long preparation you can lose. Otherwise, Maru has been consistently one of the very best and has only lost to very big names (or sOs getting in his head).
When we talk about goat, what about Zest. He dominated 2014, when kr Starcraft 2 was at best time and all of the top players were at top. Zest dominated all of them and showed the determination in those games. Most top players are just top gamers. But Zest is a commander.
Honestly, Maru read Trap like a book, and Trap tilted after Game 2. He got wrecked in games 1 and 2 so hard that he started questioning himself and Maru kept his foot on the gas.
On April 06 2019 14:47 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Maru has tied soO's record for 4 finals in a row and may soon tie/exceed Mvp's record in titles depending on how you count GSL vs The World. Crazy
Why do some people always (advertently) forget that Inno also won 4 GSLs (if counts GSL vs The World)?
But that would be in a span of 3 long years; not in row.
Also Maru is the only player to win all 3 Korean Star leagues.
On April 06 2019 16:48 Ej_ wrote: Can we finally nerf Protoss tho? It's laughable that Terran is literally unplayable in TvP :[
maru vs trap is like gm vs masters, so yes p will be nerfed lol.
I don't think Protoss will be nerfed as long as the Terran players are so much better than theProtoss players that they can fight off the imbalance :[
And by players you meant to say player - key distinction there.
Lets be honest though - Trap played very badly in this series - don't know if it was nerves or what but didn't look remotely like how he looked vs. Ty or Inno.
On April 06 2019 23:26 lcz823 wrote: When we talk about goat, what about Zest. He dominated 2014, when kr Starcraft 2 was at best time and all of the top players were at top. Zest dominated all of them and showed the determination in those games. Most top players are just top gamers. But Zest is a commander.
no way Zest is GOAT, yeah he was really good for one year and then he has had a couple times were he has looked good but he is so inconsistent. and even in his 2014 run its not like he won every tournament
On April 06 2019 14:47 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Maru has tied soO's record for 4 finals in a row and may soon tie/exceed Mvp's record in titles depending on how you count GSL vs The World. Crazy
Why do some people always (advertently) forget that Inno also won 4 GSLs (if counts GSL vs The World)?
Its schrodinger's GSL. When they need to argue for Mvp being bonjwa then its a GSL. When its Inno its not.
I don't really think there is a definitive GOAT in SC2, if there are such divergent opinions and multiple candidates. You're never going to get absolute unanimity but a Gretzky or a Michael Jordan aren't going to receive a massive amount of dissenting opinion.
Maru is pretty bloody good, he's 100% on that tier of GOAT candidates, his peak play is especially scary. He hasn't quite brought his A game across into marathon tournaments, some marathon monsters like Taeja never quite brought their chops fully to bear at a GSL.
I think both formats are important to be considered the undisputed GOAT.
For those who stress the GSL and preparation as the holy grail and above weekenders, I don't really think that's entirely fair, as that preparation isn't done solo by the individual, it involves their team as well, and having internal practice partners of Code A or latter stages of Code S calibre to actually test and refine your builds with.
Teamless players don't have that, foreigners tend not to have that at least to the same degree that Korean teamhouses naturally suit.
That's aside the other aspect of strategy games, which is on the fly adaptation as well, especially at weekenders where you as the Code S calibre Korean are likely to face opponents who know much more about you than you do about them.
On April 06 2019 21:58 JoeCool wrote: Still don't like the way groups are drawn. Not taking anything away from Maru, you have to admit that he had a rather easy path to the finals.
To the ro8? Sure, to the finals? Nope?
Ye his path was really "rough". I would pick Trap/Dear every single time over rogue/dark/classic. Not even same tier.
On April 06 2019 21:58 JoeCool wrote: Still don't like the way groups are drawn. Not taking anything away from Maru, you have to admit that he had a rather easy path to the finals.
To the ro8? Sure, to the finals? Nope?
Ye his path was really "rough". I would pick Trap/Dear every single time over rogue/dark/classic. Not even same tier.
Sure you can pick them. But considering PvT Dear and Trap have had great results recently. It might not look rough after looking at how Maru won, but put any other terran there they probably wont make it out of those 2 matches. Oh and TY did not actually, otherwise we would've had TY vs Maru in the semis.
If Trap and Dear had been other side of the bracket, Trap has beaten Dark consistently last year and Dear has beaten rogue. So I would have expected one of them in the semis either way. They would've given a very tough match had they been up against anyone but Maru.
On April 06 2019 14:47 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Maru has tied soO's record for 4 finals in a row and may soon tie/exceed Mvp's record in titles depending on how you count GSL vs The World. Crazy
Why do some people always (advertently) forget that Inno also won 4 GSLs (if counts GSL vs The World)?
Its schrodinger's GSL. When they need to argue for Mvp being bonjwa then its a GSL. When its Inno its not.
GSL were really clear about this at the time: GSL WC had a qualification system, so counts as a GSL. GSL vs the World is an invit and so it's a special event which counts as a premier event but doesn't count as a GSL.
On April 06 2019 21:58 JoeCool wrote: Still don't like the way groups are drawn. Not taking anything away from Maru, you have to admit that he had a rather easy path to the finals.
To the ro8? Sure, to the finals? Nope?
Ye his path was really "rough". I would pick Trap/Dear every single time over rogue/dark/classic. Not even same tier.
Sure you can pick them. But considering PvT Dear and Trap have had great results recently. It might not look rough after looking at how Maru won, but put any other terran there they probably wont make it out of those 2 matches. Oh and TY did not actually, otherwise we would've had TY vs Maru in the semis.
If Trap and Dear had been other side of the bracket, Trap has beaten Dark consistently last year and Dear has beaten rogue. So I would have expected one of them in the semis either way. They would've given a very tough match had they been up against anyone but Maru.
Pretty much. Also it’s largely irrelevant how they’d do vs the Zergs on the other side when it comes to playing Maru anyway.
General consensus, or at least the majority of the whine I see is that Protoss is favoured against Terran, and Trap and Dear were considered the best PvTers specifically by many, so if facing those two in a matchup that’s apparently unflavoured is easy I’m not sure on what rationale.
Trap didn’t show nearly his best games which kind of was disappointing.
On April 06 2019 21:58 JoeCool wrote: Still don't like the way groups are drawn. Not taking anything away from Maru, you have to admit that he had a rather easy path to the finals.
Trap 2-0'd INno and 3-2'd TY this very season. How can he be considered an easy opponent for a terran at all
Not to mention Maru also beat Dear who was in the middle of a 20-0 vs T winning streak and looked super crisp in his Ro16 games. I don't think his path was easy at all and I'm pretty surprised he even made it to the finals given his non-GSL tournament performances. It seems to further reinforce his strength as a preparation player and weakness as a weekender.
I hope Classic prepares as if the world would end if he loses. If not, this are going to be the shittiest finals of all time... and that trophy is not easy to win.
Late but congrats to Maru for the 4th in a row finals, do we just shut down GSL if he wins another 3 in a row? Hoping it won't be as one-sided as last year's TvP finals. With that said I'm cheering for the Chintoss to take this, would also be a great storyline
On April 07 2019 03:40 Wombat_NI wrote: I don't really think there is a definitive GOAT in SC2, if there are such divergent opinions and multiple candidates. You're never going to get absolute unanimity but a Gretzky or a Michael Jordan aren't going to receive a massive amount of dissenting opinion.
Maru is pretty bloody good, he's 100% on that tier of GOAT candidates, his peak play is especially scary. He hasn't quite brought his A game across into marathon tournaments, some marathon monsters like Taeja never quite brought their chops fully to bear at a GSL.
I think both formats are important to be considered the undisputed GOAT.
For those who stress the GSL and preparation as the holy grail and above weekenders, I don't really think that's entirely fair, as that preparation isn't done solo by the individual, it involves their team as well, and having internal practice partners of Code A or latter stages of Code S calibre to actually test and refine your builds with.
Teamless players don't have that, foreigners tend not to have that at least to the same degree that Korean teamhouses naturally suit.
That's aside the other aspect of strategy games, which is on the fly adaptation as well, especially at weekenders where you as the Code S calibre Korean are likely to face opponents who know much more about you than you do about them.
Yeah preparation is hard without a team but if you play WCS America 5 times in the peak of your career and never make the finals you're not the GOAT.
I wasn’t throwing him into the GOAT ring, more invoking his obviously better performances in weekend tournaments than prep heavy ones, kind of the opposite to Maru really.
Maybe there are better examples of players who bring their best to those kind of tournies, can’t think of one to mind.
On April 08 2019 09:48 NinjaNight wrote: So who is most likely going to win and why?
Maru just seems too good at preparation matches, Classic was convincing but didn't appear especially scary; Maru's TvP is his Achilles' heel during the weekenders but he just never loses at the matchup in Code S.
Classic winning another championship before retiring would be a nice story tho and would save me(us?) from being drowned in hagiographies of Maru, the GOAT who almost cannot win weekenders and has more years of career than Premier titles(I don't hate him at all, his style is amazing when he doesn't Proxy 24/7, it's just that people overrate him into veneration).
On April 08 2019 09:48 NinjaNight wrote: So who is most likely going to win and why?
Maru, because he's won the last 3 :p
More seriously:
Classic hasn't really played too much PvT recently and the ones he has played aren't indicative of much considering they've mostly been wins against returning players (Fantasy and Bomber). In general Classic is good in PvT and tends to prepare well with a lot of weird builds like sOs. Meanwhile, Maru's played a lot of TvP recently and has many games to study.
That said, I'd still be surprised if Maru doesn't win and with anything less than a 4-2. Even last year, when Classic was in top-form and was regarded as the best PvT where he had already beat Maru multiple times and was the favorite going into their ro4 match, Maru still destroyed him. It just seems like Maru becomes a demon from the ro8 onward in the GSL now.
On April 06 2019 14:47 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Maru has tied soO's record for 4 finals in a row and may soon tie/exceed Mvp's record in titles depending on how you count GSL vs The World. Crazy
Why do some people always (advertently) forget that Inno also won 4 GSLs (if counts GSL vs The World)?
Its schrodinger's GSL. When they need to argue for Mvp being bonjwa then its a GSL. When its Inno its not.
GSL were really clear about this at the time: GSL WC had a qualification system, so counts as a GSL. GSL vs the World is an invit and so it's a special event which counts as a premier event but doesn't count as a GSL.
Whatever it takes for Mvp fanboys to sleep at night while knowing there's a new GOAT on the block.
On April 06 2019 14:47 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Maru has tied soO's record for 4 finals in a row and may soon tie/exceed Mvp's record in titles depending on how you count GSL vs The World. Crazy
Why do some people always (advertently) forget that Inno also won 4 GSLs (if counts GSL vs The World)?
Because nobody cares about him whereas Mvp is a big ass pimp
Even if Maru wins this GSL, I would still say Innovation is the GOAT of SC2. With the WESG win this year, Innovation just added another major tournament win to his trophy case. Without the WESG win, I would consider that if Maru wins this GSL, he is very close to Innovation or maybe Maru even surpasses Innovation. But after the WESG win, Innovation is still the GOAT.
Maru is still young and Innovation is getting old. So if Maru keeps it up, he may surpass Innovation eventually. Having said that, Serral is also very young so Serral has many more tournaments to win in the future and perhaps it will be Serral and Maru trying to take over as GOAT from Innovation.
Not sure how the wesg win makes all the difference. Maru has been good too during the hots era so I already think maru is close or surpassed inno.
On April 06 2019 14:47 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Maru has tied soO's record for 4 finals in a row and may soon tie/exceed Mvp's record in titles depending on how you count GSL vs The World. Crazy
Why do some people always (advertently) forget that Inno also won 4 GSLs (if counts GSL vs The World)?
maru is GOAT, with MVP as second. keep in mind MVP played with completely shattered/broken wrists, as a huge underdog, and STILL won, and almost beat life as well
inno not in disucssion because -100 pts for being faceless korean
so in short, maru fails and loses in every tournamend expect GSL where he sweeps anyone else and wins it easy ... this boy is beyond my logic xD well done maru well done
while other complain, maru is just maru and instead wins high and easy
On April 12 2019 15:05 Drake wrote: so in short, maru fails and loses in every tournamend expect GSL where he sweeps anyone else and wins it easy ... this boy is beyond my logic xD well done maru well done
while other complain, maru is just maru and instead wins high and easy
While complaining! I believe he said PvT is hard. (For Terrans, not for his Protoss victims)
EPT
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