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Group stage #1 (round of 32) of WCS Europe and Americas concluded, finalizing the sixteen players who will advance to group stage #2 (round of 16) in each region. Group stage #2 is set to be played during February 14-17.
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WCS Winter RO32 concludes, RO16 groups drawn
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Group stage #1 (round of 32) of WCS Europe and Americas concluded, finalizing the sixteen players who will advance to group stage #2 (round of 16) in each region. Group stage #2 is set to be played during February 14-17.
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Milleus
Denmark29 Posts
 I was like.. "But but.. the draws?"... which left me with an empty feeling. I wouldn't have minded that they announced when it would take place instead of actually doing it right after the groups concluded. But no announcement at all was really sad. How you guys feel? | ||
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parrotpitaya
Germany37 Posts
On February 11 2019 21:54 Milleus wrote: Personally i was really disappointed that they didn't announce the group draw on stream. Maybe i am just too much invested in this game and eSport I was like.. "But but.. the draws?"... which left me with an empty feeling. I wouldn't have minded that they announced when it would take place instead of actually doing it right after the groups concluded. But no announcement at all was really sad. How you guys feel? Exactly. Waiting for new group is very annoying, especially because West America is almost the latest region of the world. | ||
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Crocolisk Dundee
870 Posts
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Stormhoof
Serbia182 Posts
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Shuffleblade
Sweden1903 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On February 11 2019 22:17 Shuffleblade wrote: Wtf is this, crazy upsets. Rail taking Bly down, Hateme taking both Zanster and Sortof. Nerchio and Toodming placing last in their group? Coffe and Silky over TLO? Firefly knocking Has out? Nerchio  | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On February 11 2019 22:17 Shuffleblade wrote: Wtf is this, crazy upsets. Rail taking Bly down, Hateme taking both Zanster and Sortof. Nerchio and Toodming placing last in their group? Coffe and Silky over TLO? Firefly knocking Has out? These are upsets but not crazy upsets. That would be if soul spirit took out Serral. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
TLO is one of the more surprising upsets to me. Even though he's not exactly S tier foreigner anymore, I am still pretty surprised he couldn't make it out of a standard NA group. Also has not making it through... he probably could have won if he just played standard games lol | ||
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
On February 11 2019 22:32 Zzoram wrote: These are upsets but not crazy upsets. That would be if soul spirit took out Serral. i think some people don't realize that China/TW are competitive. we expect veterans like TLO and Bly to beat "unknown" players, but Chinese players are not unknowns, they're quite strong. who was expecting TLO to win again? i love TLO, he's one of the true good guys of the scene, but even a few years ago he wasn't a serious contender to win tournaments. Bly is not a standard or consistent player either HateMe has also been a strong runner up in EU qualis for some time if you've been paying attention | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7075 Posts
On February 11 2019 21:30 Harris1st wrote: Is there anything official about this? Will this be streamed? Are there any seeding rules? Can't wait! :D On February 11 2019 04:18 feardragon wrote: I asked about this earlier and I don’t think it’ll be ready by broadcast end but they want to have it announced by tomorrow. I’ll mention that on the broadcast at the end though and we’ll recap the Ro16 players. if Feardragon is right, announcement should come in the next few hours :D | ||
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Aeromi
France14461 Posts
On February 11 2019 23:37 Harris1st wrote: From the other thread: if Feardragon is right, announcement should come in the next few hours :D He is. Also rules for group drawing are in the WCS Winter rulebook. | ||
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yht9657
1810 Posts
edit: Just realised there are only a total of 10 Zerg players advancing in two regions, what happened to WCS? | ||
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SnowAngel
Finland38 Posts
Mcanning taking a map out of Special was my biggest surprise. But the guy seemed so genuinely happy about it, that it was a pleasant one. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19307 Posts
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RealityTheGreat
China564 Posts
On February 11 2019 22:17 Shuffleblade wrote: Wtf is this, crazy upsets. Rail taking Bly down, Hateme taking both Zanster and Sortof. Nerchio and Toodming placing last in their group? Coffe and Silky over TLO? Firefly knocking Has out? ZvZ is not a consistent match-up. Nerchio and TooDMing are too old. Coffee is not weak.He practiced hard when he was banned. Chinese players know about Has' strategy. Do not be so surprised. | ||
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Akio
Finland1838 Posts
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RealityTheGreat
China564 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On February 12 2019 01:59 RealityTheGreat wrote: Rail is a good 2 bases player. ZvZ is inconsistent. Nerchio and TooDMing are too old. Coffee is not weak. Chinese players know about Has' strategy. Do not be so surprised. Nerchio is only 26 with healty wrist tho he's not that old, but he does look like the shadow of his 2016-17 self | ||
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Corvuuss
Austria354 Posts
On February 12 2019 01:59 RealityTheGreat wrote: ZvZ is not a consistent match-up. Nerchio and TooDMing are too old. Coffee is not weak.He practiced hard when he was banned. Chinese players know about Has' strategy. Do not be so surprised. ZvZ is pretty much as consistent as the other match-ups, especially since we no longer (or most of the time don't) see ling baneling vs ling baneling anymore. | ||
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Pursuit_
United States1330 Posts
China having a really good showing. As someone who hasn't really been following the Chinese scene, it's cool to see they're at least competitive with the NA scene. Not to mention they were probably playing with lag. Awesome to see PSiArc qualify even if he didn't have the best showing. Really great to see such an underrepresented region. Lots of NA ladder heroes doing well, which is cool to see. Players like MCanning, Silky, Epic, ect. Protoss surpasses Zerg as the most qualifying race for WCS (14 P 10 Z 8 T). Overall relatively even racial distribution, but given how Zerg dominated it's been in the past, it's cool to see it's being mixed up a bit. | ||
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Stormhoof
Serbia182 Posts
On February 12 2019 02:09 Nakajin wrote: Nerchio is only 26 with healty wrist tho he's not that old, but he does look like the shadow of his 2016-17 self Well, not many players kept form consistent for long time. This might be temporary slump. He might be beast in other half of year, who knows. Same as we expected of Clem to be monster and he failed to deliver expected results. | ||
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offensePlayer
1 Post
team liquiddd | ||
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Semikolon
Norway46 Posts
Anyway - great tournament so far, and solid viewership! | ||
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_Nova_
United States167 Posts
EDIT: Actually, Group A showing on Liquipedia now? But none of the others. | ||
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hg2g2
Canada71 Posts
On February 12 2019 05:15 _Nova_ wrote: Seems kinda dumb and unfair for Group A that the draws haven't happened yet.. They're not going to have much time to prepare. EDIT: Actually, Group A showing on Liquipedia now? But none of the others. Europe's groups are set on Liquipedia but not America's yet... Serral only has to prepare for Protoss. | ||
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Semikolon
Norway46 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
Seems like the top dog (except uthermal I guess) all got there own group Also group B is the group of dead I think Lol nvm that NA group A wtf Scarlet-Special-Cham | ||
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argonautdice
Canada2719 Posts
https://wcs.starcraft2.com/en-us/tournament/5190/ Group A = Group of Death Scarlett and Special wtf Group C = Team America | ||
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PinoKotsBeer
Netherlands1385 Posts
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
On February 12 2019 05:31 PinoKotsBeer wrote: Nice for serral and Elazer that they only have to focus on zvp And for Gungfu, Harstem and Rail to only have to focus on pvp.  | ||
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Kalera
United States338 Posts
On February 12 2019 05:31 argonautdice wrote: America groups also on Blizz WCS site now: https://wcs.starcraft2.com/en-us/tournament/5190/ Group A = Group of Death Scarlett and Special wtf Group C = Team America Those groups seem very uneven. Seems like there was zero seeding except #1/#2 in Ro32 group. | ||
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HorussTv
Mexico34 Posts
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Jank
United States308 Posts
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herwo
199 Posts
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NinjaNight
428 Posts
You kidding me? | ||
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CiuCiu
31 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On February 12 2019 06:19 Kalera wrote: Those groups seem very uneven. Seems like there was zero seeding except #1/#2 in Ro32 group. It's strange EU group seems super seeded : the 3 semi finalist from Montreal get a group and Showtime who was equal with Uthermal in quarter get the last one, than the other 4 second place ends up pretty much in last years standing (Gungfu-Mana for the finalist and Uthermal-Elazer for the other 2. Probably just bracket luck but it make it so group A and D are way easier than B and C at least on paper. But I would be kind of shock that there was no seeding at all because Serral just got the easiest group 2 time in a row. Conspiracy time And then NA is just crazy imbalance lol | ||
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yht9657
1810 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany16038 Posts
On February 12 2019 05:21 hg2g2 wrote: Europe's groups are set on Liquipedia but not America's yet... Serral only has to prepare for Protoss. Like Serral has to prepare to beat his opponents... | ||
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Kafka777
361 Posts
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tilhorizon
Germany191 Posts
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
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tilhorizon
Germany191 Posts
On February 12 2019 08:03 Kafka777 wrote: Obviously seeding is wrong for the draw. It should be based on 2018 rankings. That should give Serral, Showtime, Heromarine and Lambo a group each. Then Uthermal should be with Lambo, Reynor with Heromarine, Elazer with Showtime and Serral with Mana. The rest shoul;d be a random draw. But i think they tried to make sure there are less Protosses in next round as Serral and Elazer have the best chance of eliminating any Protoss. and they wanted at least 1 Terran to advance. this | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On February 12 2019 08:03 Kafka777 wrote: Obviously seeding is wrong for the draw. It should be based on 2018 rankings. That should give Serral, Showtime, Heromarine and Lambo a group each. Then Uthermal should be with Lambo, Reynor with Heromarine, Elazer with Showtime and Serral with Mana. The rest shoul;d be a random draw. But i think they tried to make sure there are less Protosses in next round as Serral and Elazer have the best chance of eliminating any Protoss. and they wanted at least 1 Terran to advance. Heromarine wouldn't have a group he ended up second, also pretty sure they didin't fix it to have less protoss... I feel like it's base on Montreal result somehow, or maybe just "gut's feelling"? The ranking would go Serral-Reynor-Showtime-Lambo-Uthermal-Elazer-Mana-Gungfu which seems to logical to be totally random but stranger thing have happen especially since the NA groups are random (At least I hope so because if not someone is trolling us lol) | ||
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tilhorizon
Germany191 Posts
On February 12 2019 08:48 Nakajin wrote: Heromarine wouldn't have a group he ended up second, also pretty sure they didin't fix it to have less protoss... I feel like it's base on Montreal result somehow, or maybe just "gut's feelling"? The ranking would go Serral-Reynor-Showtime-Lambo-Uthermal-Elazer-Mana-Gungfu which seems to logical to be totally random but stranger thing have happen especially since the NA groups are random (At least I hope so because if not someone is trolling us lol) no you are wrong you talkabout only WCS Montreal we talk about WCS Standng 2018  2018 StarCraft II World Championship Series/Standings | ||
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Kafka777
361 Posts
On February 12 2019 08:03 Kafka777 wrote: Obviously seeding is wrong for the draw. It should be based on 2018 rankings. That should give Serral, Showtime, Heromarine and Lambo a group each. Then Uthermal should be with Lambo, Reynor with Heromarine, Elazer with Showtime and Serral with Mana. The rest shoul;d be a random draw. But i think they tried to make sure there are less Protosses in next round as Serral and Elazer have the best chance of eliminating any Protoss. and they wanted at least 1 Terran to advance. Heromarine wouldn't have a group he ended up second, also pretty sure they didin't fix it to have less protoss... I feel like it's base on Montreal result somehow, or maybe just "gut's feelling"? The ranking would go Serral-Reynor-Showtime-Lambo-Uthermal-Elazer-Mana-Gungfu which seems to logical to be totally random but stranger thing have happen especially since the NA groups are random (At least I hope so because if not someone is trolling us lol) Yes, I missed the fact that Heromarine was 2nd. But that would give Serral with Gungfu, Showtime with Mana, Lambo with Elazer and Raynor with Uthermal. | ||
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parrotpitaya
Germany37 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On February 12 2019 08:50 tilhorizon wrote: no you are wrong you talkabout only WCS Montreal we talk about WCS Standng 2018 2018 StarCraft II World Championship Series/StandingsI know but it would explain why Reynor is ahead of Uthermal. Reynor-Serral-Lambo-Showtime(tied with UT) are the 4 best european of WCS Montreal. | ||
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Kafka777
361 Posts
I know but it would explain why Reynor is ahead of Uthermal. Reynor-Serral-Lambo-Showtime(tied with UT) are the 4 best european of WCS Montreal. It would make absolutely no sense to take WCS Montreal as basis for seeding, unless one would liuke to manipulate something. | ||
Waxangel
United States33553 Posts
According to the rulebook it looks like 2018 standings stop being used for seeding beginning the RO16, although they were used in qualifiers and in the RO32. The Round of 16 group stage will consist of the 16 players who advanced from the Round of 32. These players will be seeded into four groups of four players each. • Players who advanced from their group first will be assigned a 1-seed • Players who advanced from their group second will be assigned a 2-seed • Each Round of 16 group will have two 1-seeds and two 2-seeds • Players who were in the same group in the round of 32 may not be placed in the same Round of 16 group | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On February 12 2019 10:06 Waxangel wrote: WCS Winter Rules According to the rulebook it looks like 2018 standings stop being used for seeding beginning the RO16, although they were used in qualifiers and in the RO32. I feel like this is missing something... so is it random? Are they just placing them however they want within those rules? | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On February 12 2019 10:19 travis wrote: I feel like this is missing something... so is it random? Are they just placing them however they want within those rules? I mean we should not rule out the chance that it's random, NA group really do look random. | ||
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Kafka777
361 Posts
According to the rulebook it looks like 2018 standings stop being used for seeding beginning the RO16, although they were used in qualifiers and in the RO32 It doesn\t look random at all. But there is a little problem balance wise currently, We can fix it a bit by staging groups. Like AI Serral and Elazer are faster than other players. Hateme, with all due respect, will not advance. | ||
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xelnaga_empire
627 Posts
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
what a **** drawing xD and eu the only 2 terrans in 1 group i shit myself xD | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
On February 12 2019 14:08 xelnaga_empire wrote: Only 2 Terran out of 16 players for WCS EU so tell me who is a good european terran ? the race isnt just that famous in eu on top level so there are very few top tier terrans the sad thing is that they are both in the same group. ps: if heromarine still plays this awefull build hes gonna lose ... i dare a terran to cry for balance until they stop playing the WORST BUILD POSSIBLE every damn tvp xD | ||
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lechatnoir
392 Posts
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dysenterymd
1250 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany16038 Posts
On February 12 2019 17:06 Drake wrote: so tell me who is a good european terran ? the race isnt just that famous in eu on top level so there are very few top tier terrans the sad thing is that they are both in the same group. ps: if heromarine still plays this awefull build hes gonna lose ... i dare a terran to cry for balance until they stop playing the WORST BUILD POSSIBLE every damn tvp xD Tell them what a proper build is with your gm game knowledge. Foreign terrans really should take coaching lessons from you | ||
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IArako
Germany195 Posts
And to the guys complaining about Serrals group, if the best player gets the weakest opponents its actually a sign that seeding worked. | ||
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tilhorizon
Germany191 Posts
On February 12 2019 20:18 dysenterymd wrote: Serral's group is hilarious, he gets the weakest trio of players to face against (relative to the other groups) , all in his best match up. Too much luck! Serrals Group is not easier than Group A Group B strongest Group C second strongest Group A/D third strongest | ||
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MrFreeman
207 Posts
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Harris1st
Germany7075 Posts
Complaints about races, nations, montreal standings, global standings .... seriously? I think it's impossbile to address everything guys. They had their rules and probably a little leeway. So what? I'm hyped On February 13 2019 08:04 MrFreeman wrote: If they had just streamed the draw, the feeling that it was somehow rigged would be much smaller. I mean, how hard is it to set up a camera one host and get some random numbers... This would have been an easy solution I guess | ||
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Tanukki
Finland579 Posts
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