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franzji
United States583 Posts
Also, I don't want Starcraft 3 unless if they work on it for 10+ years. They need a new game engine, and I question how they continue the story. Look how much has changed in Starcraft 2 over 8 years. It's a huge game, and just keeps getting better. A new game is a step backwards! | ||
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Vutalisk
United States680 Posts
On December 15 2018 10:48 MrWayne wrote: Guys there will be a WCS in 2019, ESL already announced Katowice and it still has the same 250k prize money as last year. Nobody is financing such a big tournament and simultaneously shutting down all the other tournaments. IEM Katowice is a global event that is rather unique and has its own structure. The reason is because it is hosted by a third party AKA ESL. They can do whatever they want. Blizzard may sponsor some prize money but even that ESL can take care of the prize pool given it is a flagship event for IEM. If WCS and GSL are shutdown, ESL may still want to host a farewell event for SC2. Frankly, it may be even a marketing genius move as SC2 fans will flood to Poland to see pro SC2 players for the last time which makes IEM Katowice even hotter. It is already a CSGO Major event as it is. | ||
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MrWayne
219 Posts
On December 15 2018 10:54 Vutalisk wrote: IEM Katowice is a global event that is rather unique and has its own structure. The reason is because it is hosted by a third party AKA ESL. They can do whatever they want. Blizzard may sponsor some prize money but even that ESL can take care of the prize pool given it is a flagship event for IEM. If WCS and GSL are shutdown, ESL may still want to host a farewell event for SC2. Frankly, it may be even a marketing genius move as SC2 fans will flood to Poland to see pro SC2 players for the last time which makes IEM Katowice even hotter. It is already a CSGO Major event as it is. GSL and all the WCS stops are also hosted by third party organisation AKA Dream Hack and Afreeca tv. As this ESL guy said, WCS has way better scalability than HGC. | ||
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Vutalisk
United States680 Posts
On December 15 2018 11:04 MrWayne wrote: GSL and all the WCS stops are also hosted by third party organisation AKA Dream Hack and Afreeca tv. As this ESL guy said, WCS has way better scalability than HGC. I know GSL and WCS are hosted by Afreeca and DreamHack. For GSL, Blizzard is literally the title sponsor and they carry GSL financially while AfreecaTV doing production. Without Blizzard, AfreecaTV will not host GSL. Just look at SPOTV, they dropped SSL when Blizzard dropped the funding and they couldn't find any sponsors. SSL only happened in 2017 because JinAir sponsored. I don't think Blizzard provided anything for SPOTV during 2017. Same can be said for DreamHack. Blizzard basically picks 4 events out of the whole DH series and host SC2 events. I doubt DreamHack will host SC2 if Blizzard drops the funding. IEM Katowice is often announced before Blizzard officially announces WCS. It is almost like ESL wants to host the event independently and Blizzard just adds the event into the WCS schedule. Maybe some support in term of prize pool but as I said, Katowice is sponsored by a lot of big names so ESL can handle the SC2 prize pool if needed. | ||
JimmyJRaynor
Canada16700 Posts
On December 15 2018 10:30 Vutalisk wrote: That is not true. Blizzard has been silent on HGC since BlizzCon based on all tweets from HOTS players that I saw. The players and team owners have been asking about HGC since after BlizzCon given Blizzard didn't release any confirmation regarding HGC 2019. They keep saying they would release information soon which was eventually a shutdown. The players and teams did speculate a scale-down of some sort but didn't expect a full shutdown. They thought HGC would last for another year. Blizzard employees spoke to Kala just days earlier. UNless he is lying about that. I doubt he is. Its more likely these Blizzard employees sincerely believed what they were saying to Kala. And then someone way above their management level changed plans. This is what happens when you get a new CEO man. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/347847594?t=03h41m44s "Tempo Storm coach Kala said he spoke to high up Blizzard reps at blizzcon and they said everything would be at least as big if not more support coming this year. As of 2 days ago this was his outlook on the prospects of HGC being canceled." https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/heroes/539934-hgc-and-heroes-of-the-dorm-cancelled-hots-dying#1 Haven't you ever worked at a place where a new CEO takeover occurs? Its standard for everyone to think and say 1 thing.. and the CEO says "not true any more .. this is what we're doing" To borrow a quote from Dana White..."not all the blood has been spilled". https://seekingalpha.com/news/3417127-activision-minus-1_8-percent-needham-cuts-estimates-price-target?app=1 | ||
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ionONE
Germany605 Posts
Some blizzard friendly press was informed but only reported when the news dropped. To me its crazy how positive the sc2 community still is, sc2 on its own is below hots in terms of average viewership (last 30 days). Even after all the hype, new patch etc. ("good news") https://sullygnome.com/viewers/30/watchedgames On its own, nobody will pick this game and host tournaments anymore. Lets hope for an announcement soon, 1 more year?! | ||
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Thorix77
Poland12 Posts
On December 16 2018 00:54 ionONE wrote: Richard Lewis just talked about this on his stream. Blizzard hots esports devs got the message 5 days ahead of the blog post. (signed NDA, moved to other departments) Some blizzard friendly press was informed but only reported when the news dropped. To me its crazy how positive the sc2 community still is, sc2 on its own is below hots in terms of average viewership (last 30 days). Even after all the hype, new patch etc. ("good news") https://sullygnome.com/viewers/30/watchedgames On its own, nobody will pick this game and host tournaments anymore. Lets hope for an announcement soon, 1 more year?! Did he say if he knows anything about other blizzard esports games? | ||
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ionONE
Germany605 Posts
On December 16 2018 01:03 Thorix77 wrote: Did he say if he knows anything about other blizzard esports games? No, nothing on other games. (he was slightly drunk too) direct link: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/349321423?t=04h44m41s Just checked Warchest 4 should be announced 18.12, so earliest Monday more infos ... | ||
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xtorn
4060 Posts
On December 14 2018 23:44 Musicus wrote: No game is safe in the new Activision Blizzard. this pretty much sums it up | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16700 Posts
Activision has under written plenty of innovation within the industry. Activision is all right and Bobby Kotick is an excellent long term planner guy. Via Brack, Kotick will re-focus Blizzard. That includes telling Blizzard to stop with its bizarre social engineering initiatives and focus on what makes profit: making games. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16700 Posts
On December 16 2018 01:59 Xain0n wrote: Supporting esports proscene is bizarre social engineering? Patrolling youtube and other social media outlets for unapproved words and phrases so they can ban players from BNet is way beyond the scope of this company. Especially considering the # of different cultures the company pedals its games. Blizzard needs fix it own communication problems before wandering around in the wilderness of social media pointing the finger at its customers. | ||
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207aicila
1237 Posts
On December 16 2018 02:07 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Patrolling youtube and other social media outlets for unapproved words and phrases so they can ban players from BNet is way beyond the scope of this company. Especially considering the # of different cultures the company pedals its games. Blizzard needs fix it own communication problems before wandering around in the wilderness of social media pointing the finger at its customers. Too true, unfortunately this is the same company that's said such patronising things as "you think you want that but you don't" and "don't you people have phones?", or who could forget "the technology isn't there yet". It doesn't seem like communication with its customers/fans is too high up the priority tree. | ||
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NeThZOR
South Africa7387 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On December 16 2018 03:43 207aicila wrote: Too true, unfortunately this is the same company that's said such patronising things as "you think you want that but you don't" and "don't you people have phones?", or who could forget "the technology isn't there yet". It doesn't seem like communication with its customers/fans is too high up the priority tree. I am more and more convince that the Nintendo strategy of pre-recording all your shit and never allow for direct interaction between the company and the fan is the best way to go. | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5217 Posts
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Maynarde
Australia1286 Posts
The only thing similar about HGC and WCS is that they're both run by Blizzard, WCS has been kicking goals in 2018 and will be just fine in 2019. The only thing that the HGC announcement concerns me with is the way it was handled. I just hope the people at Blizzard / Activision that made the final decision learns a lesson from the outcry and pain they've caused in the Heroes community. We want WCS and SC2 / SC esports in general to be treated as well as possible looking way down the line at 2020/21/22, whether it grows or shrinks in interest, just grow or shrink the investment with it. Don't just take it out behind a shed and shoot it before giving it all you got. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16700 Posts
On December 16 2018 09:47 Maynarde wrote: It means NOTHING for WCS in 2019. i think the cancellation announcement for HGC means WCS is safe this year. I can't see Blizzard/ATVI "drip feeding" multiple cancellations. When companies issue layoffs they don't lay off 5 people a day, every day for a month. They give all the bad news all at once and lay off 150 people on one day and try to put it behind them and move on. I can't see Blizzard announcing the end of WCS a few days or weeks after HGC cancellation. If WCS were to be axed for 2019 Blizzard would announce everything all at once. WCS and HGC would both get the axe on the same day. So I think the HGC bad news is good news for WCS. Now whether or not there are cutbacks to WCS, well, that is a completely separate question. Now Blizzard is in a position to issue substantial cutbacks with the rebuttal to any complaining being "hey at least WCS still exists, unlike HGC, so shut up and smile boys" | ||
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dummy1
420 Posts
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Kaz1
35 Posts
I imagine SC2 has a year left. I do not see them funding a game in a similar financial state any longer than that. There are no vanguards left. Blizzard has seemingly lost its autonomy to Activision. I don't see Blizz people knowingly telling HGC teams at Blizzcon that there would be an 2019 season with similar funding, having trailers of Heroes, etc. This means they did not make the call. They also have 'more unannounced projects than ever' I do not see how they are going to keep funding WCS once these are put into public view. (It also shows they are not the same company with the same dev cycles as before. They are spreading their resources a lot. This definitely makes me pessimistic about the quality of what is coming next). | ||
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