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On December 18 2018 02:57 outscar wrote:
I blame J. Allen Brack. The only thing he cares about is WoW. With Morhaime departure I sense that dark times are only ahead for us...
World of Warcraft needs to die already.
All those Devs could be put to use to make something great
On topic:
SC2 has a way more developed scene than Hots ever did. It is way less dependant on Blizz putting money in it. Canceling WCS would not kill the game, but would kill Blizz further. Afaik Blizzard shares are at an all time low right now. Could they really risk that? I don't know. We'll see I guess
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Europe, NA, China and Korea need a team leagues rather then individual tournaments. Sponsors would pay for accomodation for players and we can have separate wcs team and solo tournaments. I cant see interest and gain for sponsor just throwing money to 1 or 2 players.
Secondly, buying ingame Wchests or other stuff should be source of financing pools rather then twitch subscriptions. But, big streamers like Rotti, Wardi, and others, should be payed correctly from that fond.
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We cant expect Blizzard to fund all. They arent gaining 60e per copy as before and I doubt much ppl are buying ingame stuff
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On December 18 2018 18:36 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2018 02:57 outscar wrote:
I blame J. Allen Brack. The only thing he cares about is WoW. With Morhaime departure I sense that dark times are only ahead for us... World of Warcraft needs to die already. All those Devs could be put to use to make something great On topic: SC2 has a way more developed scene than Hots ever did. It is way less dependant on Blizz putting money in it. Canceling WCS would not kill the game, but would kill Blizz further. Afaik Blizzard shares are at an all time low right now. Could they really risk that? I don't know. We'll see I guess
If WoW dies Blizzard dies. There's a reason they didn't replace it yet.
On December 18 2018 19:15 ZeRoX_TV wrote:
Europe, NA, China and Korea need a team leagues rather then individual tournaments. Sponsors would pay for accomodation for players and we can have separate wcs team and solo tournaments. I cant see interest and gain for sponsor just throwing money to 1 or 2 players.
Secondly, buying ingame Wchests or other stuff should be source of financing pools rather then twitch subscriptions. But, big streamers like Rotti, Wardi, and others, should be payed correctly from that fond.
What magical sponsors are you talking about? All the teamleagues in the past have failed.
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On December 15 2018 00:20 BisuDagger wrote:
My biggest concern is where Dustin Browder goes. SC2->HOTS->New CEO?
*C&C(unfortunately)->SC2->HOTS->New CEO?
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On December 15 2018 02:40 Waxangel wrote:
('why are we wasting money on anything that won't be OWL-big?'
That make sense considering Activision new policies.
I agree, in the end games are products of their respective companies and they can ultimately do with them what they deem best for their businesses - which will probably always be the fundamental difference between esports and regular sports. At the end of the day you can still go outside and shoot some balls or go play soccer with your friends without having to rely on a company's/association's goodwill.
So while esports emerged from the excitement of players/enthusiasts being able to compete with others in a structured league environment and/or watch people play the game they love at a much higher level than themselves, by today's standards it's ultimately just a marketing strategy. And that makes all funding for esports marketing costs which should absolutely paid for by the company trying to promote their game, but instead now they're trying to outsource parts of these costs to the customers in the form of Warchests in SC2 or the Compendium in Dota 2, just to further inflate already ridiculous prize pools instead of nurturing and maintaining a stable structure, that's what I have a problem with.
I mean, I think I kinda get it, it's a setup for an "exciting" narrative and the majority of people always look out for the bigger numbers, but still maybe it's about time to rethink some of the current "best" business practices in (online) gaming and consider where it all came from in the first place.
Edit: Also the way they've handled the cancellation can be considered ...scummy, to say the least.
That make sense too, it sounds like those company/community founds are spoiling the scene preventing a genuine push in finding sponsors and "real life" e-sport founding.
In a way the BW situation is desirable now as it can only rely on sponsors, banks loan and private founding by passionate personalities, looking more solid overall.
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On December 18 2018 21:41 InfestedNeurone wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2018 02:40 Waxangel wrote:
('why are we wasting money on anything that won't be OWL-big?' That make sense considering Activision new policies.
OWL Might be big.. but i don't belive its profitable at all... I guess it is being paid from the huge team buy ins...
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On December 14 2018 18:28 Kaizor wrote:
I wouldn't take that as confirmation until i see official plans for wcs 2019. And like some have mentioned before SC2 might have had its best year in a while but is it good enough for the higher ups?
i think Blizzard posted some good, detailed info about IEM-Katowice which they've labelled as a WCS-Circuit event. It looks like WCS 2019 is happening man.
WCS-2019 And GSL-2019
A year long SC2 championship pro circuit in the form of WCS occurs throughout 2019. The first event has been announced with a War Chest attached to the funding of additional cash to the prize pool. Blizzard named the new War Chest after the event: "War Chest Katowice 2019". Also, lots of details about the contents of the Warchest. Cool Stuff!
https://wcs.starcraft2.com/en-us/
https://wcs.starcraft2.com/en-us/news/22792661/
Let's contrast WCS-2019 and IEM-Katowice-2019 with GSL-2019. We have lots of info about a WCS-Circuit event concluding months from now in March. Lots of details several months in advance for IEM-Katowice. Great stuff! Unfortunately, We have zero information for GSL-2019. No qualifiers, no prize pool details, no schedule. GSL Qualifiers are usually in December with GSL Season 1 occuring in the 1st week of January. Last year GSL Qualifiers were announced December 2.. Its December 18. https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/a73im2/gsl_2019_offline_qualifiers/
Korean Pros and IEM Katowice
Notice the IEM Katowice 2019 event includes both WCS-Korea and WCS-Circuit in the graphic. It appears this event is open to any one of any nationality. The Katowice qualifiers are online in January making it easier for Koreans to participate. Notice IEM Katowice is described as "SC2 returns to Poland for the first major event of the year". Doesn't a GSL count as a major event? When is the first season of GSL 2019 happening?
https://wcs.starcraft2.com/en-us/news/
Blizzard's silence around GSL 2019 qualifiers and the appearance of the web site covering the WCS-Circuit doesn't give good vibes for the GSL in 2019. Fortunately, based on what Blizzard has already announced it looks like WCS-2019 should be good. There is even a cool countdown timer for IEM-Katowice saying it starts in 68 days, XX hours, XX minutes.
So for 2019 we've got some pretty cool stuff for WCS-Circuit and an odd silence around GSL-2019. The longer the silence the more it sounds like the silence surrounding HGC before its cancellation. In any event, we'll probably know in a few weeks what's going on with the GSL.
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I'm just hoping we get new information before the start of the New Year. I think it's most likely we'll hear between now and Dec 23, and December 27 and the New Year.
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On December 18 2018 22:45 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2018 18:28 Kaizor wrote:
I wouldn't take that as confirmation until i see official plans for wcs 2019. And like some have mentioned before SC2 might have had its best year in a while but is it good enough for the higher ups?
i think Blizzard posted some good, detailed info about IEM-Katowice which they've labelled as a WCS-Circuit event. It looks like WCS 2019 is happening man. WCS-2019 And GSL-2019A year long SC2 championship pro circuit in the form of WCS occurs throughout 2019. The first event has been announced with a War Chest attached to the funding of additional cash to the prize pool. Blizzard named the new War Chest after the event: "War Chest Katowice 2019". Also, lots of details about the contents of the Warchest. Cool Stuff! https://wcs.starcraft2.com/en-us/https://wcs.starcraft2.com/en-us/news/22792661/Let's contrast WCS-2019 and IEM-Katowice-2019 with GSL-2019. We have lots of info about a WCS-Circuit event concluding months from now in March. Lots of details several months in advance for IEM-Katowice. Great stuff! Unfortunately, We have zero information for GSL-2019. No qualifiers, no prize pool details, no schedule. GSL Qualifiers are usually in December with GSL Season 1 occuring in the 1st week of January. Last year GSL Qualifiers were announced December 2.. Its December 18. https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/a73im2/gsl_2019_offline_qualifiers/Korean Pros and IEM KatowiceNotice the IEM Katowice 2019 event includes both WCS-Korea and WCS-Circuit in the graphic. It appears this event is open to any one of any nationality. The Katowice qualifiers are online in January making it easier for Koreans to participate. Notice IEM Katowice is described as "SC2 returns to Poland for the first major event of the year". Doesn't a GSL count as a major event? When is the first season of GSL 2019 happening? https://wcs.starcraft2.com/en-us/news/Blizzard's silence around GSL 2019 qualifiers and the appearance of the web site covering the WCS-Circuit doesn't give good vibes for the GSL in 2019. Fortunately, based on what Blizzard has already announced it looks like WCS-2019 should be good. There is even a cool countdown timer for IEM-Katowice saying it starts in 68 days, XX hours, XX minutes. So for 2019 we've got some pretty cool stuff for WCS-Circuit and an odd silence around GSL-2019. The longer the silence the more it sounds like the silence surrounding HGC before its cancellation. In any event, we'll probably know in a few weeks what's going on with the GSL.
If they would do the Circuit globally it would actually be kinda fair.
Thinking of WCS tournaments in Katowice, Leipzig, Montreal, Austin, Valencia and Seoul. Open to anyone. No GSL
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On December 19 2018 01:08 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2018 22:45 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On December 14 2018 18:28 Kaizor wrote:
I wouldn't take that as confirmation until i see official plans for wcs 2019. And like some have mentioned before SC2 might have had its best year in a while but is it good enough for the higher ups?
i think Blizzard posted some good, detailed info about IEM-Katowice which they've labelled as a WCS-Circuit event. It looks like WCS 2019 is happening man. WCS-2019 And GSL-2019A year long SC2 championship pro circuit in the form of WCS occurs throughout 2019. The first event has been announced with a War Chest attached to the funding of additional cash to the prize pool. Blizzard named the new War Chest after the event: "War Chest Katowice 2019". Also, lots of details about the contents of the Warchest. Cool Stuff! https://wcs.starcraft2.com/en-us/https://wcs.starcraft2.com/en-us/news/22792661/Let's contrast WCS-2019 and IEM-Katowice-2019 with GSL-2019. We have lots of info about a WCS-Circuit event concluding months from now in March. Lots of details several months in advance for IEM-Katowice. Great stuff! Unfortunately, We have zero information for GSL-2019. No qualifiers, no prize pool details, no schedule. GSL Qualifiers are usually in December with GSL Season 1 occuring in the 1st week of January. Last year GSL Qualifiers were announced December 2.. Its December 18. https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/a73im2/gsl_2019_offline_qualifiers/Korean Pros and IEM KatowiceNotice the IEM Katowice 2019 event includes both WCS-Korea and WCS-Circuit in the graphic. It appears this event is open to any one of any nationality. The Katowice qualifiers are online in January making it easier for Koreans to participate. Notice IEM Katowice is described as "SC2 returns to Poland for the first major event of the year". Doesn't a GSL count as a major event? When is the first season of GSL 2019 happening? https://wcs.starcraft2.com/en-us/news/Blizzard's silence around GSL 2019 qualifiers and the appearance of the web site covering the WCS-Circuit doesn't give good vibes for the GSL in 2019. Fortunately, based on what Blizzard has already announced it looks like WCS-2019 should be good. There is even a cool countdown timer for IEM-Katowice saying it starts in 68 days, XX hours, XX minutes. So for 2019 we've got some pretty cool stuff for WCS-Circuit and an odd silence around GSL-2019. The longer the silence the more it sounds like the silence surrounding HGC before its cancellation. In any event, we'll probably know in a few weeks what's going on with the GSL. If they would do the Circuit globally it would actually be kinda fair. Thinking of WCS tournaments in Katowice, Leipzig, Montreal, Austin, Valencia and Seoul. Open to anyone. No GSL
3 Europe, 2 NA, 1 Korea. How's this fair? 
Anyway, this would be bad, we would lose many Koreans. And probably some foreigners.
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On December 18 2018 18:36 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2018 02:57 outscar wrote:
I blame J. Allen Brack. The only thing he cares about is WoW. With Morhaime departure I sense that dark times are only ahead for us... World of Warcraft needs to die already.
Don't worry blizz have been on that for a while now
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On December 18 2018 18:36 Harris1st wrote: Afaik Blizzard shares are at an all time low right now. Could they really risk that?
lots of decent info in your posts, however, your one statement here is incorrect.
ATVI's price is ~$47 which is what it was in February 2017. Before February 2017 ATVI stock price was always below $47.
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On December 19 2018 01:47 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2018 18:36 Harris1st wrote:On December 18 2018 02:57 outscar wrote:
I blame J. Allen Brack. The only thing he cares about is WoW. With Morhaime departure I sense that dark times are only ahead for us... World of Warcraft needs to die already. Don't worry blizz have been on that for a while now
wow is dead since it's beta launch if i believe forums and reddit
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On December 18 2018 19:15 ZeRoX_TV wrote:
Europe, NA, China and Korea need a team leagues rather then individual tournaments. Sponsors would pay for accomodation for players and we can have separate wcs team and solo tournaments. I cant see interest and gain for sponsor just throwing money to 1 or 2 players.
Secondly, buying ingame Wchests or other stuff should be source of financing pools rather then twitch subscriptions. But, big streamers like Rotti, Wardi, and others, should be payed correctly from that fond.
Team leagues? Coming right up.
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On December 18 2018 19:15 ZeRoX_TV wrote:
Europe, NA, China and Korea need a team leagues rather then individual tournaments. Sponsors would pay for accomodation for players and we can have separate wcs team and solo tournaments. I cant see interest and gain for sponsor just throwing money to 1 or 2 players.
Secondly, buying ingame Wchests or other stuff should be source of financing pools rather then twitch subscriptions. But, big streamers like Rotti, Wardi, and others, should be payed correctly from that fond.
Just force all the BW players back to SC2 via blizzard lawsuits. Then the interest will be there again and the big companies can found teams again with Proleague recontinuing.
Then they should kill off WCS so foreigners are forced to move to korea and play in Proleague if they want to continue their career so the viewership for Proleague is even higher.
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Weekly scheduled maintenance update just concluded.
The new skins for the Buildings are now in the SC2 client under the Collections tab. I'd be totally shocked if WCS got cancelled now. I was about 95%+ sure WCS was going forward... now its more like 100%. There is a giant blank space in the "Featured" section of the Skins tab. I highly suspect that is where War Chest #4 is going to be.
Any how, Blizzard promised December 18 and they delivered.
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SC2 seems to be directed for people more competent that HOTS. or maybe HOTS was harder to deal.
Strange, but playing CS:GO I have almost no thing to complain, in HOTS I always had problems, they removed the US10 server, quests was a boring grinding, eventually I abandoned HOTS, and pretty sure many people did too, everyone has his reason. But it seems that blizzard never knew wtf2do and wtf they wanted with the game
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I think this will eventually happen to SC2, but hopefully with all these years experience, our game wouldn't suffer quite as much.
We have a healthy player count, with a healthy community scene. If the pros scene is killed off, I am sure we still have great events to keep it going.
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On December 19 2018 10:46 ETisME wrote:
I think this will eventually happen to SC2, but hopefully with all these years experience, our game wouldn't suffer quite as much.
We have a healthy player count, with a healthy community scene. If the pros scene is killed off, I am sure we still have great events to keep it going.
No one can make a living off of only community tournaments. The only people who would be able to remain full-time would be players who can make enough off stream donations and subs to make it work, everyone else would be part-time or retire. The game would basically become BW during the Sonic era, before ASL and KSL started up. It wouldn't be sustainable unless there were one or two extremely generous community members willing to put on tournaments.
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