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deacon.frost

Czech Republic12129 Posts

December 19 2018 15:12 GMT

#161

On December 19 2018 23:03 Harris1st wrote:

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On December 19 2018 21:37 deacon.frost wrote:

On December 19 2018 21:08 Harris1st wrote:

On December 19 2018 01:43 deacon.frost wrote:

On December 19 2018 01:08 Harris1st wrote:

On December 18 2018 22:45 JimmyJRaynor wrote:

On December 14 2018 18:28 Kaizor wrote:
I wouldn't take that as confirmation until i see official plans for wcs 2019. And like some have mentioned before SC2 might have had its best year in a while but is it good enough for the higher ups?

i think Blizzard posted some good, detailed info about IEM-Katowice which they've labelled as a WCS-Circuit event. It looks like WCS 2019 is happening man.

WCS-2019 And GSL-2019
A year long SC2 championship pro circuit in the form of WCS occurs throughout 2019. The first event has been announced with a War Chest attached to the funding of additional cash to the prize pool. Blizzard named the new War Chest after the event: "War Chest Katowice 2019". Also, lots of details about the contents of the Warchest. Cool Stuff!
https://wcs.starcraft2.com/en-us/
https://wcs.starcraft2.com/en-us/news/22792661/

Let's contrast WCS-2019 and IEM-Katowice-2019 with GSL-2019. We have lots of info about a WCS-Circuit event concluding months from now in March. Lots of details several months in advance for IEM-Katowice. Great stuff! Unfortunately, We have zero information for GSL-2019. No qualifiers, no prize pool details, no schedule. GSL Qualifiers are usually in December with GSL Season 1 occuring in the 1st week of January. Last year GSL Qualifiers were announced December 2.. Its December 18. https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/a73im2/gsl_2019_offline_qualifiers/

Korean Pros and IEM Katowice
Notice the IEM Katowice 2019 event includes both WCS-Korea and WCS-Circuit in the graphic. It appears this event is open to any one of any nationality. The Katowice qualifiers are online in January making it easier for Koreans to participate. Notice IEM Katowice is described as "SC2 returns to Poland for the first major event of the year". Doesn't a GSL count as a major event? When is the first season of GSL 2019 happening?
https://wcs.starcraft2.com/en-us/news/

Blizzard's silence around GSL 2019 qualifiers and the appearance of the web site covering the WCS-Circuit doesn't give good vibes for the GSL in 2019. Fortunately, based on what Blizzard has already announced it looks like WCS-2019 should be good. There is even a cool countdown timer for IEM-Katowice saying it starts in 68 days, XX hours, XX minutes.

So for 2019 we've got some pretty cool stuff for WCS-Circuit and an odd silence around GSL-2019. The longer the silence the more it sounds like the silence surrounding HGC before its cancellation. In any event, we'll probably know in a few weeks what's going on with the GSL.

If they would do the Circuit globally it would actually be kinda fair.

Thinking of WCS tournaments in Katowice, Leipzig, Montreal, Austin, Valencia and Seoul. Open to anyone. No GSL

3 Europe, 2 NA, 1 Korea. How's this fair?

Anyway, this would be bad, we would lose many Koreans. And probably some foreigners.

Serral took the crown from Korea so obviously Korea gets one less and EU one more

But honestly - this solution means we lose plenty of progamers.
1) You give foreigners and Korea the same amount of seeds(with flight cost covered) - unfair to Korea. Many lower Korean players leave. Some foreigners end, not many, but this means reduced seeds -> less money.
2) You give foreigners less seeds than Korea. My estimation is that this means 40-40 loss ratio
3) You give foreigners more seeds than Korea ensuring Korean scene is dead for good.

Also 2 NA 3 Europe 1 Korea means Koreans are travelling the most. We may lose players who don't want to travel or have big issues with jet lag(I doubt WCS will pay for enough hotel time so these players can adapt)

This is similar to putting a patient with dead brain on a life support because his body doesn't know higher brain functionality is gone forever.

Edit> if #1 or #3 would happen my support to Blizzard is gone forever. This would be the last straw for me.

Just to clarify: There is no source, or at least I don't have one. This is just purely speculative
Only thing that is sure is IEM Katowice is flagged as WCS event for everybody including Koreans. The rest of the tournaments I made up or are from this years WCS Circuit.

Anyway, making IEM Katowice a event for everyone leads me to believe this might be what WCS 2019 looks like. Koreans would absolutely need to travel. If Maru doesn't want to travel, he will probalby miss out on a huge portion of the WCS events. Obviously jet lag is a thing and traveling is expensive and tiresome so there would always be the "home" factor to consider

Oh yea, I know there's no official info, no worries.

jpg06051992

United States580 Posts

December 19 2018 17:53 GMT

#162

Probably only good things, one less thing to steal viewers from Starcraft 2, and while I played 3K games of HOTS and had fun, the game is somehow just as frustrating as Starcraft when you lose but only a quarter as satisfying when you win because let's face it, you're at the mercy of your team mates.

Starcraft 2 and Brood War viewership is on the rise and the team seems to be cranking out good content, plus 1v1 balance seems pretty nice and varied at the moment, I think SC2 is actually gonna have a really really good year in 2019, I gave up on it but came back 6 months ago and remembered how great the game was and how amazing it was as an Esport.

That is probably the biggest thing to me, which one is the better Esport. I personally think pro SC2 is more fun to watch then any real sport, "pro" HOTS just flat out put me to sleep, it was even worse to watch then DOTA 2 or LoL.

JimmyJRaynor

Canada16702 Posts

December 19 2018 21:54 GMT

#163

IEM Katowice Qualifiers announced. Korean server gets its own qualifier area.
https://www.intelextrememasters.com/season-13/katowice/2018/12/qualifiers-for-starcraft-ii-at-intel-extreme-masters-katowice-2019-announced/

IEM is doing a better job of serving Korean pros than the GSL. Innovation's decision to sign with a non-KOrean non-SC team is looking smarter and smarter every day.

At this point, no one who pays attention to the korean scene should be shocked if GSL is cut back substantially or completely.

deacon.frost

Czech Republic12129 Posts

December 20 2018 07:55 GMT

#164

On December 20 2018 06:54 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
IEM Katowice Qualifiers announced. Korean server gets its own qualifier area.
https://www.intelextrememasters.com/season-13/katowice/2018/12/qualifiers-for-starcraft-ii-at-intel-extreme-masters-katowice-2019-announced/

IEM is doing a better job of serving Korean pros than the GSL. Innovation's decision to sign with a non-KOrean non-SC team is looking smarter and smarter every day.

At this point, no one who pays attention to the korean scene should be shocked if GSL is cut back substantially or completely.

If they cut off the GSL I am gonna view the Pylon show after a long time. That should be interesting considering how we had the best time, best games, best GSLs

Charoisaur

Germany15958 Posts

December 20 2018 08:44 GMT

#165

On December 20 2018 16:55 deacon.frost wrote:

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If they cut off the GSL I am gonna view the Pylon show after a long time. That should be interesting considering how we had the best time, best games, best GSLs

They will find a way to hype up the new year as the new best year ever.

deacon.frost

Czech Republic12129 Posts

December 20 2018 09:02 GMT

#166

On December 20 2018 17:44 Charoisaur wrote:

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They will find a way to hype up the new year as the new best year ever.

And I want to see the ways they will do it

I expect hypocrisy or cringe to the max.

JimmyJRaynor

Canada16702 Posts

December 20 2018 20:38 GMT

#167

On December 18 2018 04:56 Sapphire.lux wrote:

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Don't you get tired of talking bs dude? Pretending to understand things you know nothing about and yet writing with such conviction. You went from "understanding" the rts market and now graduated to reading the mind of a blizzard founder.

because Morhaime is so transparent in his communications it doesn't take a mind reader. thanks for reading my posts!

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