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ihatevideogames
570 Posts
Sure, the community outcry would be massive if they pulled the plug on sc2, many gaming websites and big name youtubers would call them out, but these companies don't seem to care, as long as COD hits the holiday sales target all's well and good. And you better believe that the overwhelming majority of the people that make them most of their money haven't even heard of sc2, nevermind reading gaming news websites. | ||
JimmyJRaynor
Canada16700 Posts
On December 17 2018 05:19 MrWayne wrote: What do you mean with "now"? It was always clear for every sane person that Blizzard will eventually stop support for a title and move to another. Blizzard promised 10 years of support for SC2 when WoL came out. 2010 to 2019 will be 10 years. | ||
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MrWayne
219 Posts
On December 17 2018 05:34 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Blizzard promised 10 years of support for SC2 when WoL came out. 2010 to 2019 will be 10 years. So they hold their promise for now. What's the new information then? Did they promise the same for HotS? | ||
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Penev
28476 Posts
On December 17 2018 03:58 avilo wrote: They can kill SC2 like they just did Heroes at any moment that they want to or their investors aka Activision decides to. Highly unlikely it'll happen but that's exactly what all the Heroes people thought too. Blizzard has a monopoly though on the RTS market - SC2 is the only good RTS game on the market, there is zero competition so SC2 is pretty safe for the moment. No company is going to give up a product where they have a complete monopoly on the market share.  so as soon as a better RTS comes out...yes, they will do what they did to Heroes to SC2.With that said...it won't happen no other devs have the balls to make a new RTS So we are safe What if the market you have a monopoly on is tiny though | ||
Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On December 17 2018 05:34 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Blizzard promised 10 years of support for SC2 when WoL came out. 2010 to 2019 will be 10 years. Let's hope 10 years is 15 in Blizzard seconds. | ||
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
every argument here has validity and also has a valid counterpoint. yes, blizzard has shown a certain amount of dedicated stewardship toward SC, but they're still ultimately a corporation trying to make a profit. and although they will certainly try to be profitable there's no way for us as random SC fans to make meaningful deductions about what exactly is going to happen next. people have been saying dedgaem for years. it could get better tomorrow or worse. WCS could end in one year or ten. who knows? i feel like the only reason people invest in these arguments is because they want to parrot the same old decade old talking points about SC esports without getting threads shut down. it's a toxic subject dressed in lipstick, and anyone who isn't an esports journalist or insider is ultimately just another talking head | ||
Waxangel
United States33385 Posts
On December 17 2018 05:34 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Blizzard promised 10 years of support for SC2 when WoL came out. 2010 to 2019 will be 10 years. citation please you're presenting a lot of very aggressive claims as reported fact in this thread, so I'm going to need you to provide some sources because otherwise you're just shitting up the forums and spreading false information if you can't you're banned | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16700 Posts
On December 17 2018 06:51 Waxangel wrote: citation please you're presenting a lot of very aggressive claims as reported fact in this thread, so I'm going to need you to provide some sources because otherwise you're just shitting up the forums and spreading false information if you can't you're banned Here is Sigaty alluding to 10 more years of support at a LotV event. So, I guess that means support until 2024? which would be even longer than the 2019 i display in my post. Q: "do you think people will be playing Starcraft in some form in 10 years". A: "absolutely, its our goal to do that. Starcraft, in the new form of Starcraft2 is our Blizzard `chess` if you will. and we want to continue to support it and upgrade it across time even after the launch of legacy of the void so it is here in 10 years and it is the elite competitive game that it is today" so Sigaty shifts the convo away from "Starcraft in general in 10 years" and specifically moves to saying SC2 will be supported for 10 years if you want i'll provide a "word for word" very specific support statement. i will also provide that. If you want any other citations for any other "aggressive claims" .. .Let me know.. I'll provide them. However, just making a vague statement about " a lot of very aggressive claims " doesn't really help move the discussion forward. | ||
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Waxangel
United States33385 Posts
On December 17 2018 07:00 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Here is Sigaty alluding to 10 more years of support at a LotV event. So, I guess that means support until 2024? which would be even longer than the 2019 i display in my post. if you want i'll provide a "word for word" very specific support statement. i will also provide that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHWhKcOjE8M If you want any other citations for any other "aggressive claims" .. .Let me know.. I'll provide them. However, just making a vague statement about " a lot of very aggressive claims " doesn't really help move the discussion forward. you passing off your headcannon as fact isn't particularly useful thanks for that clip though; I'll even let your very loose interpretation of that answer stand now explain me exactly how you know what mike morhaime was thinking when he decided to step down at blizzcon | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16700 Posts
On December 17 2018 07:18 Waxangel wrote: you passing off your headcannon as fact isn't particularly useful you make a good point; and i've now provided you with a source. if you want other sources for other claims i'll be happy to provide them. On December 17 2018 07:18 Waxangel wrote: now explain me exactly how you know what mike morhaime was thinking when he decided to step down at blizzcon That is speculation given how high up Morhaime is within the company. Morhaime would know earlier than anyone else at Blizzard that cutbacks are on the way. Often top execs know many months in advance cutbacks are coming. Generally speaking, the CEO, who lives and breathes the financials of the company, knows well before the front line staff. The "silence" many HotS pros and top team management recieved regarding HGC-2019 began a few weeks ago. Let's say mid November. So that's Blizz middle management types not responding to valid questions from important HotS pro players about HGC 2019 in mid-November. Morhaime, CEO, would know before those middle managers would know and BlizzCon was November 2-3. Here is an article about Blizzard's silence on HGC-2019 on November 27th. The "silence" obviously started before teh article itself was written. https://www.invenglobal.com/articles/6851/blizzards-hgc-silence-speaks-volumes On December 17 2018 07:18 Waxangel wrote: thanks for that clip though; I'll even let your very loose interpretation of that answer stand i would not say my interpretation is all that loose. Sigaty is pretty emphatic. And, I hope he is right. I hope GSL 2024 is just as good as last year's GSL. On December 17 2018 07:00 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Q: "do you think people will be playing Starcraft in some form in 10 years". A: "absolutely, its our goal to do that. Starcraft, in the new form of Starcraft2 is our Blizzard `chess` if you will. and we want to continue to support it and upgrade it across time even after the launch of legacy of the void so it is here in 10 years and it is the elite competitive game that it is today" so Sigaty shifts the convo away from "Starcraft in general in 10 years" and specifically moves to saying SC2 will be supported for 10 years | ||
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
On December 17 2018 07:00 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Here is Sigaty alluding to 10 more years of support at a LotV event. So, I guess that means support until 2024? which would be even longer than the 2019 i display in my post. Q: "do you think people will be playing Starcraft in some form in 10 years". A: "absolutely, its our goal to do that. Starcraft, in the new form of Starcraft2 is our Blizzard `chess` if you will. and we want to continue to support it and upgrade it across time even after the launch of legacy of the void so it is here in 10 years and it is the elite competitive game that it is today" so Sigaty shifts the convo away from "Starcraft in general in 10 years" and specifically moves to saying SC2 will be supported for 10 years if you want i'll provide a "word for word" very specific support statement. i will also provide that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHWhKcOjE8M If you want any other citations for any other "aggressive claims" .. .Let me know.. I'll provide them. However, just making a vague statement about " a lot of very aggressive claims " doesn't really help move the discussion forward. Yeah, no, you're misinterpretting the quote. He is saying they are supporting it the way they are at the time of the interview so Starcraft 2 is around for another 10 years and that it is still a competitive game. Look at the sentence preceeding the one with the 10 years comment. "Starcraft, in the new form of Starcraft 2, is our Blizzard 'chess' if you will." The statment that immediately follows this is "and we want to continue to support it and upgrade it across time even after the launch of legacy of the void so it is here in 10 years..." The it in this sentence, based on how grammar in the English language works, is Starcraft, NOT support. They want to support "it"and upgrade "it" so that hopefully "it" will be around in 10 years. Replace "it" with support and tell me if that sentence makes any sense. It doesn't and that is because "it" is referring to Starcraft. | ||
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outscar
2832 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On December 17 2018 01:04 Kuleto wrote: I agree I think SC2 is fine, I was kinda dissapointed in this as well but you know, Dota2 and LoL are on the decline as well (still good viewership and playerbase though), but HoTS never really made it as big as those games and I do think Blizzard needs to concentrate on their efforts elsewhere and new products..... I would love to see a new Starcraft game or major content, no not a SC3 I don't think thats necessary for even maybe another like 4-5 years but like a new single player spin off or something would be nice with maybe like a new race or something different. Or maybe like a campaign where you play like multiple races and setting up some story for SC3 either way...the story telling and whatnot need to be on point if and when they come out with a new Starcraft game. Nonsense. Can the SC2 scene survive without Blizzard cash? It can't. Therefore SC2 scene isn't safe. Imagine Blizzard pulling out the money they invest into the scene. Big backlash? Really? How many people actually care about SC2 - 250k? And most of them already bought the game, didn't they? C'mon, this wouldn't hit as much as the Diablo Announcement and they already done that. Edit> I mean how many people care about the e-sport scene, not how many people are playing SC2. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16700 Posts
Last year we got this information early in December for GSL 2018. https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/529100-2018-gsl-season-1-qualifiers The application period was December 13th to the 20th, 2018 and the event occurred from December 26th to the 27th. 2018. Last year's GSL Season 1 began January 6, 2018. On December 17 2018 11:39 StasisField wrote: He is saying they are supporting it the way they are at the time of the interview so Starcraft 2 is around for another 10 years and that it is still a competitive game yes, i agree. For clarity this comment by Sigaty was made in 2015. | ||
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Sapphire.lux
Romania2620 Posts
On December 17 2018 00:25 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Morhaime knew this was coming a few weeks before BlizzCon. He did not want to run around shaking hands with a smile plastered on his face telling everyone how great everything was at Blizzard during BlizzCon knowing HGC, HotD and Heroes would be cut. So he quit. He made damn sure in his farewell statement he had been relegated to "Blizzard Fan Status" and had zero decision making abilities. Mike Morhaime is the greatest. That sad look on Mike's face at Blizzcon was because he was sad for the fans because he knew this was coming. He was not sad because he lost his position at Blizzard.. he didn't care. I saw Morhaime standing beside a building he bought in the 2000s for Blizzard to work in. It was a celebration ceremony for Blizzard. The guy bought a fucking giant building worth millions and he must've had $100 worth of clothes on. What a guy. damn... To Blizzard I say : " you called down the thunder .... now reap the whirlwind " Don't you get tired of talking bs dude? Pretending to understand things you know nothing about and yet writing with such conviction. You went from "understanding" the rts market and now graduated to reading the mind of a blizzard founder. | ||
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Kurao
215 Posts
I guess there is a slight personal concern that the new head of Blizzard will make some drastic changes, since unlike with Morhaime, there doesn't really seem to be an emotional connection to StarCraft regarding the new head of the org. | ||
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SchAmToo
United States1141 Posts
No use making things up. Enjoy WCS, have fun. If it goes away, it goes away. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
Perhaps all the HotS HGC money has been taken away to launch the new WCTLS with a huge salaried team league for Starcraft. Blizzard buys a big appartment building in Seoul where everyone who gets past challenger league can live rent free for 3 months and all the pros practice on the same server | ||
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
and if something were to happen they need to communicate loud and clear because devoting oneself to an activity for an entire year is no small thing. | ||
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JimSocks
United States968 Posts
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