WCSHGC cancelled, What does it mean for SC2 ? - Page 3
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Musicus
Germany22588 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada4206 Posts
On December 15 2018 04:58 Vindicare605 wrote: This same reasoning is why I know games like Smash Bros. Melee, Counter-Strike and Street Fighter aren't going anywhere. They've stood the test of time because they're actually super legit competitive games that people actually care about as spectators. They're not going anywhere. This marketing push that we've seen in the last 5-6 years to turn every new game into an esport is a bubble that can't be sustained forever. Eventually hype for a new game dies down, people move on to the new trendy. The loyal and competitive fans stick around but if there's no casual base to watch the games and buy the microtransactions then the game can't afford to keep paying out prize pools and player salaries. That's just how it is. Not everything is meant to last as an esport. I don't see Overwatch lasting, I DEFINITELY don't see Fortnite lasting, and eventually I think one of DoTA2 and LoL is going to eat the other one, it's just a matter of how long that takes. I agree with your sentiment that most game won't last as esport, I am a bit more pessimistic about older game lasting, sure if a game had at once a solid esport base people will still play it, but let's be honest we can't really say there is an "esport" scene around Quake/Unreal tournament or BW and WC3 outside of Korea/China, sure there are tournaments but no professional scene. Melee is kind of a strange case because the actual pro scene isn't that much older then SC2 it was pretty dead before it's return at Evo. Lol, CSGO and Overwatch are gonna be the big tell in my opinion, it's gonna be interesting to see if they have become to big to just go quietly into the night. BW was the only other case where we could have seen if an esport can really stand the test of time but the pro scene got his head cut of. | ||
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billynasty
United States245 Posts
As for SC2, its for the most part an 8 year old game & the writing is on the wall for sure. But like others have said i don't think we should worry about it. If you care, simply do all you can to show your support. Its that support for SC that made everything possible in the 1st place. Play the game, watch your favorite SC2 streams & enjoy it while it lasts cuz nothings ever guaranteed to last. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States11524 Posts
On December 15 2018 05:21 Nakajin wrote: I agree with your sentiment that most game won't last as esport, I am a bit more pessimistic about older game lasting, sure if a game had at once a solid esport base people will still play it, but let's be honest we can't really say there is an "esport" scene around Quake/Unreal tournament or BW and WC3 outside of Korea/China, sure there are tournaments but no professional scene. Melee is kind of a strange case because the actual pro scene isn't that much older then SC2 it was pretty dead before it's return at Evo. Lol, CSGO and Overwatch are gonna be the big tell in my opinion, it's gonna be interesting to see if they have become to big to just go quietly into the night. BW was the only other case where we could have seen if an esport can really stand the test of time but the pro scene got his head cut of. I think a vast majority of Smash fans are hoping that Smash Ultimate can be good enough to finally pick up the torch that Melee wants to pass. Brawl wasn't and Smash 4 was decent for a little while but ultimately failed due to the unpopularity of the WII U among other things. Starcraft 2, despite whatever Brood War players might want to say, DID generate a ton of new interest in the Brood War scene for Western Audiences or at least it revitalized it. Some mistakes early on prevented it from really catching on in Korea the way Brood War did but it definitely created a western Starcraft esports scene. CS:GO picked up the torch for Counter-Strike and brought it to the new modern E-Sports era. Street Fighter and other fighting games are self explanatory with all of their versions and updates. I don't mean that EVERY SINGLE VERSION of EVERY SINGLE GOOD ESPORT GAME is going to last forever, but the title and legacy of the original good version does create a lasting loyalty that other games just coming on to the scene have to build fresh for themselves. Games like Brawl and SC2 have proven that if the game isn't up to what the fans expect then they don't stay attached to them (to varying degrees), but they have shown that the initial excitement is at least there which is a big important part of making an esport popular. That's more or less what I mean. People are going to continue to care about these titles because they have history and actual fan loyalty that goes beyond what version they are on. Games like HoTS, don't have that. They have to build it for themselves and if they can't they don't survive, | ||
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fluidrone
France1378 Posts
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28016 Posts
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Solar424
United States3708 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada4206 Posts
On December 15 2018 06:02 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: https://twitter.com/Hot_Bid/status/1073682833124687873 Here's to hopping that Mike Morhaime didn't tell anyone about Starcraft when he left and everyone at Blizz just forgot about us. It will be our little secret just like how the world is reminded once a year at Blizzcon that WOW has a competitive arena mode and then everyone goes on with their life forgetting to shut it down. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada12830 Posts
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seemsgood
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Its a successful esport game so no reason for blizz to do the same | ||
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sneakyfox
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Hadronsbecrazy
United Kingdom537 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada12830 Posts
On December 15 2018 09:03 sneakyfox wrote: maynarde tweets ya, problem is HOTS community members were issued guarantees HotD 2019 and HGC 2019 were happening during Blizzcon. Look what ended up happening. If some financial overlord several management layers above all these Blizzard employees decides the funding for WCS is cut... its over. if people are feeling paranoid... let 'em... its justified. | ||
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Pandain
United States10793 Posts
On December 15 2018 09:17 JimmyJRaynor wrote: ya, problem is HOTS community members were issued guarantees HotD 2019 and HGC 2019 were happening during Blizzcon. Look what ended up happening. If some financial overlord several management layers above all these Blizzard employees decides the funding for WCS is cut... its over. if people are feeling paranoid... let 'em... its justified. Yeah, I think SC2 will be fine, but I understand people being paranoid. I mean come on, it's sort of the natural reaction when another esports game by the same company gets completely gutted without warning after being told their esports league would be "just as well or even more funded." Based on the fact that it seems the Heroes staff at Blizzcon thought HGC would continue, It's not a huge leap to say that SC2 staff was also unaware. I hope this just encourages Blizzard SC2 staff to release an announcement sooner rather than later, whatever the announcement is. | ||
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jalstar
United States8114 Posts
On December 15 2018 09:03 sneakyfox wrote: https://twitter.com/MaynardeSC2/status/1073717334144036864 https://twitter.com/MaynardeSC2/status/1073720448691499008 https://twitter.com/MaynardeSC2/status/1073724838894686208 just because the sc2 esports team has a plan for wcs doesn't mean the higher-ups will sign off on it | ||
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JoeCool
Germany2208 Posts
On December 15 2018 10:21 jalstar wrote: just because the sc2 esports team has a plan for wcs doesn't mean the higher-ups will sign off on it Actually, I do think that this is good news for SCII. We've heard nothing so far from Blizzard themselves but I don't think they'd made plans if they did not intend on repeating 2018. Especially since it was the most successful year SCII had in quite some time. | ||
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Vutalisk
United States627 Posts
For WCS, hopefully it will be the same like last year (No Austin but Dallas this time based on DH schedule for 2019). However, I can see they cut it down to 3. One US, one Canada and one in EU. Plus IEM Katowice is global. Blizzard has been under a lot of financial pressures. They will scale back on esports no matter what. Just hope they don't cut SC2 esports completely like they did with Heroes. I still keep my hope seeing soO winning GSL. | ||
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Vutalisk
United States627 Posts
On December 15 2018 09:17 JimmyJRaynor wrote: ya, problem is HOTS community members were issued guarantees HotD 2019 and HGC 2019 were happening during Blizzcon. Look what ended up happening. If some financial overlord several management layers above all these Blizzard employees decides the funding for WCS is cut... its over. if people are feeling paranoid... let 'em... its justified. That is not true. Blizzard has been silent on HGC since BlizzCon based on all tweets from HOTS players that I saw. The players and team owners have been asking about HGC since after BlizzCon given Blizzard didn't release any confirmation regarding HGC 2019. They keep saying they would release information soon which was eventually a shutdown. The players and teams did speculate a scale-down of some sort but didn't expect a full shutdown. They thought HGC would last for another year. | ||
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Pandain
United States10793 Posts
On December 15 2018 10:30 Vutalisk wrote: That is not true. Blizzard has been silent on HGC since BlizzCon based on all tweets from HOTS players that I saw. The players and team owners have been asking about HGC since after BlizzCon given Blizzard didn't release any confirmation regarding HGC 2019. They keep saying they would release information soon which was eventually a shutdown. The players and teams did speculate a scale-down of some sort but didn't expect a full shutdown. They thought HGC would last for another year. Which is what he means. At blizzcon Heroes staff told Heroes players that HGC would continue. Starting about 15 days ago, there was complete silence. The SC2 community summit also happened at Blizzcon, so the point he's making is that if Heroes staff might have been unaware of big changes coming, it's possible the same is true for SC2 staff. | ||
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MrWayne
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